Changing out the D850 with a D5. Would you do it? (Wildlife)

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larrywilson
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With minimal cropping using the proper length lenses the d5 would be the choice.  A better operational camera and more in focus shots with the d5.  I would trade for the d5 and is not satisfied sell it and get you a new d850.  If you don't extensively crop, you can make a large print with the d5.  I have always found that extensive crops never make excellent large prints and generate noise.  Forget about using the dx mode on the d850.  I have shot with the d3s and d4 cameras and the quality of the output is easier to post process and images were beautiful if the capture was good.

Larry

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66GTO Veteran Member • Posts: 3,377
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If it was me, simple answer...no trade. No advantage to you.

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SKersting66
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I agree, there are few times where I actually use/benefit from the D850's resolution when photographing wildlife. And there are many times where I benefit from the D5's better overall performance.
But "wildlife" is a pretty broad category... if you're never really challenging the D850's AF/FPS/ISO, then there's nothing better about the D5 that you actually need.

xPhoenix
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I wouldn't do it.  I have to crop a lot sometimes for wildlife, and the D850 can handle that.  Also, I don't want any more weight than I already have.  Only real advantage, IMO, is the D5 has better fps.

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T O Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 9,672
Re: Changing out the D850 with a D5. Would you do it? (Wildlife)

xPhoenix wrote:

I wouldn't do it. I have to crop a lot sometimes for wildlife, and the D850 can handle that. Also, I don't want any more weight than I already have. Only real advantage, IMO, is the D5 has better fps.

Luckily, that's IMO (as in - in your opinion)

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OP Lasse p Regular Member • Posts: 157
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Reilly Diefenbach wrote:

Trade 46MP for 20 for birds? Heck no!

hehe, thx.

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In regards to the cost differences. Seemingly the D5 is sold used, for about the same amount as you can get a D850 for. But i am guessing, the D5 sellers who wants to change to the D850 are not finding many buyers for such an expensive used camera. I mainly think that is the reason. That said i have not checked the camera out yet.

Thx for your input.

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James809 wrote:

Go for it. Even though it's less MP, you'll get cleaner shots at higher ISOs because of that. Better AF, faster frames/sec, longer battery life. Take it before they realize they're making a mistake.

Thx for your input mate.

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Thats some really great info coming from someone who owns both cameras. Thanks mate.

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Re: Changing out the D850 with a D5. Would you do it? (Wildlife)

BodkinsBest wrote:

Lasse p wrote:

So i got offered to trade my Nikon D850 for a Nikon D5. No money involved, just a straight up trade. Both about the same age and with the same amount of shutter actions.

I am an amateur, shooting mainly birds and wildlife. On occation i do a little macro and i have done a few weddings for family and friends. However i am not a pro and i am finding that the D850 can deliver some amazing shots, but i am also finding it a massive Challenge, using it for speedy bird shots which is likely down to my technique.

My lens compliment are far less impressive than my camera. Consisting of the Nikkor

200-500 5.6 as my main bird lens.

A 70-200 2.8 FL ED VR for portraits etc.

A Sigma 105mm macro lens

and a cheap Nikon 50mm 1.8G for all purpose shots.

Now with the above in mind, would you do the trade? I know the D5 is a much more expensive camera, and i like to think that it is a little more forgiving then the D850 because of its faster shutter speed, deeper buffer and smaller sensor. But then i look at a few of those really good shots i am getting with the D850 and thinking hmm.. will i be dissapointed in the image quality from the D5?

What are your thoughts?

Here´s a few of my better shots with the D850.

D5 shoots at the same shutter speed as the D850. 1/8000.

Yes my mistake, i ment FPS.

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OP Lasse p Regular Member • Posts: 157
Re: Changing out the D850 with a D5. Would you do it? (Wildlife)

tomnorth wrote:

In short, no way! I sold my D4s to fund the purchase of the D850. The D5 isn’t a significant upgrade to the D4s, and in some areas it takes a step back. I would never trade my D850 for a D5.

Food for thoughts , thx.

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threw the lens wrote:

I do not believe this trade. After all, a correctly working D5 would be worth much more. You could possibly even sell the D5 and get a new D850 with no loss.

The trader may have a problem with a part that is not very economical to replace, like the sensor. I see many old cameras for sale with scratches on the sensor which according to the seller make no difference to the photos at most apertures, but which lower the value of the camera considerably. The trader may be banking on you not finding this in a relatively short examination of the camera. So flip up the mirror and take a look at the sensor. Also take photos at very different apertures to test.

I would tend to go with the D5 due to the build and speed. If you need to use long lenses with a lot of pixels available, a cut-down D500 might be in order, whereas constantly cropping on a D850 is using a $3500 camera like a $1500 one.

My gut feeling is that its a valid trade, however i obviously couldent say for sure unless i try the camera out and inspect it first hand. But you make a good point and if i go through with the deal (i am still undecided on that) i will make sure to test every thing out that i can think of.

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T O Shooter wrote:

Dyun27 showed you the $$ spread. A no brainer. Swap, and if you find you don't like it, sell it and buy another D850.

In Toronto, running through that scenario, you'd come out at least $2000 ahead. And you might find you'd prefer the D5. It'll certain AF substantially better.

While i completely get what your saying about the camera value, i am fearing that i would be stuck with it for a while (if i do not like it) as seemingly the market is pretty dry for buyers (locally). Theres several for sale at the moment all with a long laying time.

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Re: Changing out the D850 with a D5. Would you do it? (Wildlife)

SKersting66 wrote:

In good light and with better lenses it's the D850, also in lower light when you can use longer SS's (not wildlife usually).
In poor light, faster action, or with slower lenses (i.e. f/6.3 zooms) the D5 is better. I don't really have any justification for the AF performance difference, but I've tested them side-by-side and it's notable/repeatable (I own both). And 12fps vs 9fps (with grip/battery) is enough to be significant at times... very significant vs 7fps w/o grip.
Often there is no real benefit to the D850... i.e. lower res output/use, ISO above ~1600, etc., but there's no real negative either (other than file size). The D850 will/should always have better color accuracy; not that you will always be able to tell.

Thank you for the insight. I have had times where the AF would have a hard time locking on birds. Especially the smaller subjects. But my most often encountered issue with the D850 is that it shows you all the imperfections in your technique. Which i am apparently not yet a master of. I am hoping the D5 is a little more forgiving. Do you find that the case?

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Tony Beach wrote:

Lasse p wrote:

....smaller sensor.

The sensors are the same size; they have different pixel densities. This is an important distinction to make because a lot of people mix up these concepts and conflate them with ISO performance.

...will I be disappointed in the image quality from the D5?

I doubt it.

What are your thoughts?

I would stick with the D850.

Here´s a few of my better shots with the D850.

Keep up the good work.

Thank you for the compliment and for your input

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larrywilson wrote:

With minimal cropping using the proper length lenses the d5 would be the choice. A better operational camera and more in focus shots with the d5. I would trade for the d5 and is not satisfied sell it and get you a new d850. If you don't extensively crop, you can make a large print with the d5. I have always found that extensive crops never make excellent large prints and generate noise. Forget about using the dx mode on the d850. I have shot with the d3s and d4 cameras and the quality of the output is easier to post process and images were beautiful if the capture was good.

Larry

Thanks Larry. I will take that into consideration.

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Re: Changing out the D850 with a D5. Would you do it? (Wildlife)

xPhoenix wrote:

I wouldn't do it. I have to crop a lot sometimes for wildlife, and the D850 can handle that. Also, I don't want any more weight than I already have. Only real advantage, IMO, is the D5 has better fps.

Yeah i get your point about cropping. I have been considering that as well.

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SKersting66
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Lasse p wrote:

SKersting66 wrote:

In good light and with better lenses it's the D850, also in lower light when you can use longer SS's (not wildlife usually).
In poor light, faster action, or with slower lenses (i.e. f/6.3 zooms) the D5 is better. I don't really have any justification for the AF performance difference, but I've tested them side-by-side and it's notable/repeatable (I own both). And 12fps vs 9fps (with grip/battery) is enough to be significant at times... very significant vs 7fps w/o grip.
Often there is no real benefit to the D850... i.e. lower res output/use, ISO above ~1600, etc., but there's no real negative either (other than file size). The D850 will/should always have better color accuracy; not that you will always be able to tell.

Thank you for the insight. I have had times where the AF would have a hard time locking on birds. Especially the smaller subjects. But my most often encountered issue with the D850 is that it shows you all the imperfections in your technique. Which i am apparently not yet a master of. I am hoping the D5 is a little more forgiving. Do you find that the case?

Yes, the D5 is more forgiving... that's part of what I meant about there not really being a benefit to the D850 a lot of the time.
I don't really think the D850 is "more crop-able" than any other FF sensor most of the time... technique/situation/lens/settings often means you record the same image resolution (sharpness/detail), just with more pixels... which also means each pixel gets less light.
Yeah, you're left with more pixels remaining, but that doesn't really mean much.

scokill
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Re: Changing out the D850 with a D5. Would you do it? (Wildlife)

Tony Beach wrote:

scokill wrote:

tomnorth wrote:

Dynamic range is one area. The D4s is slightly better at low ISOs. My point wasn’t to put down the D5 or to argue that the D4s is the better camera, but rather to show that my decision to sell my D4s to buy a D850 is roughly equivalent to the decision to sell a D5 to buy a D850.

I don't want an argument either, just want to know the steps back. So low ISO DR. Anything else?

Resolution that can make a difference if you print large or crop; also size, price, viewfinder, and weight.

They said the D5 was a step back from the D4s....the D5 has increased resolution, so that would be a plus.  Maybe you are comparing the D5 to D850?

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calson Veteran Member • Posts: 9,751
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I rented the D5 for a week and shot with it and my D850 using both a 600mm f/4E and the 200-500mm zoom lens. When a large osprey would approach the D5 was much faster to lock focus than the D850 (or the D500 for that matter). In all other situations there was no discernible difference in autofocus performance.

On a two week bird photography trip to Costa Rica I was glad I had the D850 and not the D5. I could shoot with the D850 in FX mode with the 500mm PF lens and have a normal view angle but if the bird was very small I knew I could crop a good deal and still have a usable image file for a print.

The D850 in DX mode becomes in effect a 20MP camera. But the D5 in DX mode is reduced to being a 9MP camera which is not nearly as useful.

I get 9 fps with the battery grip and EN-EL18 batteries with the D850 which is plenty fast enough for my needs. I can also shoot all day without changing out the battery which I also like. No need for a D5 to get the benefits of the larger EN-EL18 battery.

For sports or wedding photography the D5 would be the better camera but not for wildlife photography, including macro subjects.

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