Opinions on FV mode

Dan W wrote:

OK, I just had to read up on the Fv mode and tried it out. I'm not sure the usefulness for me. If I'm using studio light/s I use manual. ISO and shutter speed are a constant. Otherwise I'm using Av mode to control DOF, again ISO set to the lighting available. If it's contrasty light I go back to fully manual and not rely on the camera meter to do what it thinks I want. But mostly I'm in Av when doing travel or casual stuff. Even lazy shooting I'm in Av. lol

I'm curious why you would need to switch back and forth on the run. Of course I switch back and forth but I setup the camera for what I'm doing that day or shoot. Even run and gun like at events I use Av out doors or Manual indoors and just let TTL hopefully make good decisions on the fill.

Some people seem to love it and that's great but I must be missing something I guess.

No worries. It's not for me too. In studio for portraits, I use manual. For landscapes, all the more I prefer to use manual. We're the weird ones perhaps 😉

I'm not a fan.  I may be using it wrong, but if I was trying to use it on the fly and adjust more than one thing, it seems it ended up changing things I didn't want and then then I would try to go back the other settings were off.  I realize this is vague.

M and Av work perfectly for what I do most, and they have been less complicated to use on the fly.

That is part of the problem is that I need to make changes quickly and in Fv there are too many options that can be changed.  I prefer a limited number of options I can access quickly.  If I had plenty of time, I do like being able to adjust everything in the EVF, but it was just too challenging for my brain.

Sittatunga wrote:

richardperson wrote:

I'm not a fan. I may be using it wrong, but if I was trying to use it on the fly and adjust more than one thing, it seems it ended up changing things I didn't want and then then I would try to go back the other settings were off. I realize this is vague.

M and Av work perfectly for what I do most, and they have been less complicated to use on the fly.

That is part of the problem is that I need to make changes quickly and in Fv there are too many options that can be changed. I prefer a limited number of options I can access quickly. If I had plenty of time, I do like being able to adjust everything in the EVF, but it was just too challenging for my brain.

Not sure how it could be quicker or easier to choose which to adjust of shutter speed, aperture, exposure compensation or ISO with your thumb and change it with your forefinger without having to remember which button or dial changes what and then finding it.

Fv is an auto mode though and if you prefer manual you won't need AV, TV or P modes either.

While this is true, it is also a fully manual mode, and anything else in-between, if you want it to be. I like it as I can change any one or more of shutter, aperture, ISO and ex comp all in the same mode. It's ultimately flexible and is the only mode I use except bulb.

I have adopted it. Great with Auto ISO.

Zeee wrote:

I have adopted it. Great with Auto ISO.

I have my ISO set to the control ring with a half press of the shutter button. But I been playing around with the Fv setting some more. I would NEVER use Auto ISO, but I guess I am getting used to the control of Fv. My obsession of never using Auto ISO is from early days of digital I guess where ISO 800 was getting pretty bad with noise. Just like the days of film with grain. Although my go to for B&W was Tri-X 400, loved that grain look.

I might try this out some more, setting my control ring to Exposure comp. The only thing is once you take say the shutter speed out of auto, you have to go to your back screen and select it and set it up to auto manually (like Av mode). Right?

It's just so new from anything I have used before. Just a different way of thinking I guess.

analogue wrote:

I've had EOS R for couple months now but only just recently have started to mess with FV mode.

I think it might just become my favourite mode on EOS R.

I usually shoot in AV or M but hate setting aperture with the heavy weighted thumb wheel (old style circular thumb wheel used to be such a joy before on Canon DSLR btw!).

The new FV paradigm I'm finding is a bit more comfortable ergonomically and the horizontal exposure layout makes a lot of sense actually.

I've set bringing back to auto & full auto to the arrow keys as recommended.

Still going to need a little bit of muscle memory to be 100% at ease with this new way of shooting but I think it might be my new default.

I'm curious as to what do others think of FV mode on EOS R/RP?

The logic of FV is very good. But I want everything directly assigned to it's own wheel, and you can't do that on the R with FV. I don't like one wheel for toggling and the other for adjusting.

I am using the C modes

C1 for lots of light: Av + auto ISO + minimum shutter speed 1/125 + full mechanical shutter. I could go with fixed ISO 100 or 200 and no minimum shutter speed, but this way i will be save when i forget to change to C2 when needed (forget to watch the shutter speed when it gets too long).

C2 for low light without speedlite : M, 1/160th, f/2.0 + auto ISO + EFCS.  The 105mm needs 1/160 at least (1/200th is better), for the 50mm 1/125 or even 1/100 is find, so 1/160 is my compromise.

C3 for low light with speedlite: M, 1/160th, f/2.0 + fixed ISO (default 500) + EFCS

analogue wrote:

I've had EOS R for couple months now but only just recently have started to mess with FV mode.

I think it might just become my favourite mode on EOS R.

I usually shoot in AV or M but hate setting aperture with the heavy weighted thumb wheel (old style circular thumb wheel used to be such a joy before on Canon DSLR btw!).

The new FV paradigm I'm finding is a bit more comfortable ergonomically and the horizontal exposure layout makes a lot of sense actually.

I've set bringing back to auto & full auto to the arrow keys as recommended.

Still going to need a little bit of muscle memory to be 100% at ease with this new way of shooting but I think it might be my new default.

I'm curious as to what do others think of FV mode on EOS R/RP?

Its a bit clumsy to change settings though. With manual mode you can touchscreen the exposure parameters and change them. You can't do that in FV mode you have to use the selector.

Greg.

Dan W wrote:

Zeee wrote:

I have adopted it. Great with Auto ISO.

I have my ISO set to the control ring with a half press of the shutter button. But I been playing around with the Fv setting some more. I would NEVER use Auto ISO, but I guess I am getting used to the control of Fv. My obsession of never using Auto ISO is from early days of digital I guess where ISO 800 was getting pretty bad with noise.

Noise is not a reason not to use auto-ISO. You can set a maximum ISO value of that isn’t your concern. Auto ISO is a great and useful tool.

Just like the days of film with grain. Although my go to for B&W was Tri-X 400, loved that grain look.

I might try this out some more, setting my control ring to Exposure comp.

Yep, good plan.

The only thing is once you take say the shutter speed out of auto, you have to go to your back screen and select it and set it up to auto manually (like Av mode). Right?

If you have shutter in auto and shutter selected you just have to turn the top dial to set it manually. Or press the auto button to turn it back to auto. It is incredibly easy to flick between what is essentially manual with auto ISO and Av mode.

It's just so new from anything I have used before. Just a different way of thinking I guess.

sobrien wrote:

If you have shutter in auto and shutter selected you just have to turn the top dial to set it manually. Or press the auto button to turn it back to auto. It is incredibly easy to flick between what is essentially manual with auto ISO and Av mode

What auto button are you talking about? The one on the rear screen when you tap the shutter screen?

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Dan W wrote:

sobrien wrote:

If you have shutter in auto and shutter selected you just have to turn the top dial to set it manually. Or press the auto button to turn it back to auto. It is incredibly easy to flick between what is essentially manual with auto ISO and Av mode

What auto button are you talking about? The one on the rear screen when you tap the shutter screen?

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I’m talking about whatever button you assign the “reset to auto” functionality to. It’s the functionality that sets Fv mode apart from the other modes.

Astrophotographer 10 wrote:

analogue wrote:

I've had EOS R for couple months now but only just recently have started to mess with FV mode.

I think it might just become my favourite mode on EOS R.

I usually shoot in AV or M but hate setting aperture with the heavy weighted thumb wheel (old style circular thumb wheel used to be such a joy before on Canon DSLR btw!).

The new FV paradigm I'm finding is a bit more comfortable ergonomically and the horizontal exposure layout makes a lot of sense actually.

I've set bringing back to auto & full auto to the arrow keys as recommended.

Still going to need a little bit of muscle memory to be 100% at ease with this new way of shooting but I think it might be my new default.

I'm curious as to what do others think of FV mode on EOS R/RP?

Its a bit clumsy to change settings though. With manual mode you can touchscreen the exposure parameters and change them. You can't do that in FV mode you have to use the selector.

No, you can do that in Fv mode too. I just checked to make sure.

Greg.

sobrien wrote:

Dan W wrote:

sobrien wrote:

If you have shutter in auto and shutter selected you just have to turn the top dial to set it manually. Or press the auto button to turn it back to auto. It is incredibly easy to flick between what is essentially manual with auto ISO and Av mode

What auto button are you talking about? The one on the rear screen when you tap the shutter screen?

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I’m talking about whatever button you assign the “reset to auto” functionality to. It’s the functionality that sets Fv mode apart from the other modes.

Awesome, I got it now thank you. But one thing I noticed is when in Fv mode, and you essentially go into manual mode by setting ISO, Shutter speed and aperture while in Fv mode, the EC meter doesn't act as a light meter as when the M mode is selected. Yes I have a histogram I can pull up but the meter is nice to give you a starting point you know...

I think I'm starting to like this Fv mode. It will just be an adjustment from what I am used to.

Sittatunga wrote:

richardperson wrote:

I'm not a fan. I may be using it wrong, but if I was trying to use it on the fly and adjust more than one thing, it seems it ended up changing things I didn't want and then then I would try to go back the other settings were off. I realize this is vague.

M and Av work perfectly for what I do most, and they have been less complicated to use on the fly.

That is part of the problem is that I need to make changes quickly and in Fv there are too many options that can be changed. I prefer a limited number of options I can access quickly. If I had plenty of time, I do like being able to adjust everything in the EVF, but it was just too challenging for my brain.

Not sure how it could be quicker or easier to choose which to adjust of shutter speed, aperture, exposure compensation or ISO with your thumb and change it with your forefinger without having to remember which button or dial changes what and then finding it.

Fv is an auto mode though and if you prefer manual you won't need AV, TV or P modes either.

This is likely the way I use it, but for example, if I change both shutter and aperture, then I need both changed to different values, I have to do so through several steps.  For me it is faster to just go manual and know where the dials are.  Fv does give you a lot of flexibility, but it can also take you a long way from your initial settings and it didn't seem quick to get back if you change multiple things.  My recollection is also that if I cannot tell Fv which function I want it to adjust if I adjust shutter and aperture--it can only change ISO, right?   So, if I start in Fv, and change shutter and aperture, it adjusts ISO to get the correct exposure, but then if I adjust aperture, it still adjusts ISO, where I may not want it to.  I may want ISO fixed at that time and want it to adjust shutter instead.

I noticed this primarily when shooting theater with rapidly changing lights.  It was all good until I changed both shutter and aperture, and I couldn't go back to an Av like setting.

I don't doubt it is perfect for many people, but for me I kept getting trapped and had to go back out to reset, and ended up just running manual.

richardperson wrote:

Sittatunga wrote:

richardperson wrote:

I'm not a fan. I may be using it wrong, but if I was trying to use it on the fly and adjust more than one thing, it seems it ended up changing things I didn't want and then then I would try to go back the other settings were off. I realize this is vague.

M and Av work perfectly for what I do most, and they have been less complicated to use on the fly.

That is part of the problem is that I need to make changes quickly and in Fv there are too many options that can be changed. I prefer a limited number of options I can access quickly. If I had plenty of time, I do like being able to adjust everything in the EVF, but it was just too challenging for my brain.

Not sure how it could be quicker or easier to choose which to adjust of shutter speed, aperture, exposure compensation or ISO with your thumb and change it with your forefinger without having to remember which button or dial changes what and then finding it.

Fv is an auto mode though and if you prefer manual you won't need AV, TV or P modes either.

This is likely the way I use it, but for example, if I change both shutter and aperture, then I need both changed to different values, I have to do so through several steps. For me it is faster to just go manual and know where the dials are. Fv does give you a lot of flexibility, but it can also take you a long way from your initial settings and it didn't seem quick to get back if you change multiple things. My recollection is also that if I cannot tell Fv which function I want it to adjust if I adjust shutter and aperture--it can only change ISO, right? So, if I start in Fv, and change shutter and aperture, it adjusts ISO to get the correct exposure, but then if I adjust aperture, it still adjusts ISO, where I may not want it to. I may want ISO fixed at that time and want it to adjust shutter instead.

Maybe read this;

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/latest/articles/canon-fv-mode-your-guide-to-what-it-is-and-how-it-works-124247

I'm still a skeptic but I've been playing around with it more last night and today. It's starting to grow on me. As another member explained to me, you can select a button to reset all or just the selected variable to quickly reset back to auto. In the link they use the up arrow to do that and it works pretty fast. I'm glad I jumped in this thread because I never really explored the Fv mode. So I don't like Auto ISO, I override that first thing. Now I have aperture and shutter speed in full auto. So I change f stop and now I'm basically in Av mode. But if I also change shutter speed I'm now in manual right? So I can just hit the up arrow while highlighting the Aperture and I'm now in shutter priority. It just taking some getting used to. I'm not sold yet but I'm keeping an open mind.

It's not perfect though. I don't know if this is correctable but when in Fv mode and you essentially go into manual mode by making all three adjustments, the Exposure. Comp meter does not act as a light meter as does when you are in manual mode with the mode selector dial. It may grow on me, I'll have to do a few shoots with it and make an opinion from there.

I noticed this primarily when shooting theater with rapidly changing lights. It was all good until I changed both shutter and aperture, and I couldn't go back to an Av like setting.

I don't doubt it is perfect for many people, but for me I kept getting trapped and had to go back out to reset, and ended up just running manual.

Dan W wrote:

sobrien wrote:

Dan W wrote:

sobrien wrote:

If you have shutter in auto and shutter selected you just have to turn the top dial to set it manually. Or press the auto button to turn it back to auto. It is incredibly easy to flick between what is essentially manual with auto ISO and Av mode

What auto button are you talking about? The one on the rear screen when you tap the shutter screen?

.

I’m talking about whatever button you assign the “reset to auto” functionality to. It’s the functionality that sets Fv mode apart from the other modes.

Awesome, I got it now thank you. But one thing I noticed is when in Fv mode, and you essentially go into manual mode by setting ISO, Shutter speed and aperture while in Fv mode, the EC meter doesn't act as a light meter as when the M mode is selected. Yes I have a histogram I can pull up but the meter is nice to give you a starting point you know...

I think I'm starting to like this Fv mode. It will just be an adjustment from what I am used to.

This is the one thing I would like Canon to change about it but, at present, I think exposure sim is a workable, if not idea, substitute.