Not interested, but X-T30 shows the way.

Look I know this is mFTs. I know. And I am only shooting mFts. I am using a GH4 and an Em1.2 and no reasonto part with either of them because they still deliver more than I can throw at them. I am the weakestlink here and still have a so much to learn.

But I also want our system to be viable. Em1X and GH5s and the like are really good and there is a market for them. But I feel we badly need a real mFT cam that addresses the needs of those that want it to be a small as posisble, while comfortable and not skimping on too many features.

For those we miss a G90 and an EM5.3. I, and many others with me, have come up with all sorts of spec lists so I won't do it again also since none of these lists are identical. We all have our (most of the time quite specific) thoughts about how such a cam should look.

Long story short: we miss a mFT verison of the Fuji X-T30. Now the X-T30 has shortcomings for sure. Its EVF with -0.62 magnification seems really really...well let's say it is Fuji's version of what Panny does in the GX9. Other than that, the X-T30 has the same great sensor, has a lower native ISO possibly providing even cleaner images at the low end of the ISO range (at the expense of hi ISO noise I guess). Etc.

I think G90 and Em5.3 should be much of what the X-T30 is now. I have a lot of respect for the Fuji especially since the X-T3 and the X-T30 is another cam that seems t be geared almost perfectly at people who want a really capable cam for a very reasoable price.

mferencz wrote:

Fuji equals smaller than ff sensor with equal to ff size lenses. Not interested. I think M43 and FF together is a much better option.

Nonsense.

I have a 27/2.8 on my X-T20 that together with the awesome Fuji 24MP Xtrans III sensor, produces images no MFT camera can match and the whole thing is no bigger than an OMD E-M10 with 14-42/PZ.

There are many lens options in XF and XC that are quite compact and very sharp.

mferencz wrote:

Fuji equals smaller than ff sensor with equal to ff size lenses. Not interested. I think M43 and FF together is a much better option.

I think I was clear about that, but for those who love APS-c Fuji provides real choices in every price category. Mor eimportantly, their approach seems to be very much inline with that many over would love to see in a G90 or Em5.3...I Guess.

I love the Fuji system but unfortunately for me I'm spoiled by IBIS and it's become essential for my shakey hands. I tried the X-H1 but didn't like how it felt in hand. I'm also too locked in with a Lightroom workflow to get the best out of X-trans RAW files. But I admire what Fuji is doings and envy their lens lineup.

mferencz wrote:

Fuji equals smaller than ff sensor with equal to ff size lenses. Not interested. I think M43 and FF together is a much better option.

That's what I used to think as well but in order for MFT to compete with even APS-C let alone FF, the bodies and lenses have to be fast, which means big and expensive and then the bodies have to grow to accommodate the glass.

APS-C can be quite compact. Take a Canon SL2 for example (great camera) with the kit lens which is actually quite sharp albeit slow but with a cleaner sensor, you can get away with a slower lens.

Right now, an SL2 with 18-55mm zoom lens is available new for $599USD. You can get a Nikon D3500 for less than $400 and I can assure you, the image quality difference is significant, for much less money and almost no penalty in weigh/bulk.

Quite simply, apart from a better IBIS system, there are no clear advantages to the MFT format anymore.

jwilliams wrote:

C Sean wrote:

Today Canon announced a piece of poo camera called the RP. What is causing people to go into a stir it's affordable and brand NEW. What they're ignoring that it's a piece of junk. If they made a basic still camera at that price and bundled it with a new 50mm 1.8 lens then that would be more than acceptable. Instead Canon is releasing a piece of junk camera, because it's Canon, because it Full Frame and because it junk/cheap, people are worried it will kill off crop sensor cameras. Then you have Fuji comes along with the X-T30 and the camera just blast the Canon to pieces.

Junk? A bit too harsh I think. Certainly not top of the line, but at $800 less than any current FF mirrorless what did you expect?

It can produce better images than a $3K EM1x.

I guess one mans junk is another mans affordable FF mirrorless camera.

Probably getting one myself. I know it is not perfect, but with my L series lenses and primes mounted it will produce images superior to any m43 camera. So I guess I'll be shooting 'junk' soon and loving the results.

I agree with you. +1

Gary Martin wrote:

I love the Fuji system but unfortunately for me I'm spoiled by IBIS and it's become essential for my shakey hands. I tried the X-H1 but didn't like how it felt in hand. I'm also too locked in with a Lightroom workflow to get the best out of X-trans RAW files. But I admire what Fuji is doings and envy their lens lineup.

Fuji has OIS in some of their lenses. They really should include IBIS and IBIS+OIS. First google hit I got on Fuji stabilization: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61018738

There are posts in the Fuji forum suggesting that the new Lightroom Enhance feature works very well with x-trans raw. People want to test more to confirm, but initial reports are promising.

Fuji's firmware program is also very impressive. They communicate up front with what is coming and when, excellent. To know your camera is going to get better without extra cost must be very reassuring.

Looking forward to a major FW update for my E-M1ii .......... ah.....yeh.

.. unless you're in love with the latter's tilting EVF. It's a tighter race between the X-T30 and the Sony a6400." This is not me, it's a quote from DPR. I would see the IBIS of the GX9 as the one advantage or our M43 rival.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-t30-review-in-progress/2

Scroll down to the "compared to.." section, to see how M43 is loosing ground. Add the small 2.8/16mm WR lens for 400 USD, which fits niecely in the line of small, very good, WR primes.

BTW, did anyone see "worms" in Fuji pictures lately? - I checked the samples of the XT3 (there are no samples of the XT30 yet, but the sensor is the same) and didn't find any.

Peter

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