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I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

Started Jan 13, 2019 | Discussions
photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!
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Why? at my age I may die before m43 does.

I will be doing some serious travelling in 2019 and I have been looking for a walk around camera upgrade to supplement my present travel kit (Canon 70D + 10-18, 18-55 & 55-250). I was considering the Sony A6300, Panasonic GX9 and Olympus E-PL9. Based on price and features I decided on the GX85, it came in at under $600 USD and included two kit lenses, a 12-32 and 45-150. I'm aware of the compromise I am making compared to my other choices but I like the features it offers and price was definitely a factor, it will replace my E-PL1 and Pentax Q7, though I may take the Q7 along as well.

I will start testing it when it arrives next week by simulating the types of scenery I will encounter in my travels.

If some of you use the GX85 and either of the lenses I mentioned, any comments will be appreciated.

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Setter Dog Veteran Member • Posts: 5,768
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!
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I've had a lot of cameras and still have 2 "Systems", Sony APS-C, and m43 My favorite is m43.

The best case I can make for m43 is my G9 w/100-400mm lens. Where else can you get 800mm equiv zoom in a package that is easily carried?

I predict you will be happy with your purchase.

Jack

OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

Thanks Jack.

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techie takes pics Senior Member • Posts: 1,730
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

photoholiko wrote:

I will be doing some serious travelling in 2019

I'm aware of the compromise I am making

You mean the compromise of leaving at home a big camera that might win the specification-war, and getting a very good camera that slips in your pocket?

Dude.  I'll take that compromise any day.

If some of you use the GX85 and either of the lenses I mentioned, any comments will be appreciated.

Light-sensitive zooms, or a prime lens. Something light-sensitive, just to see how much you'll use it.  And a shoulder-carry bag.

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OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

I getting the GX85 for city and street shots, you are right a fast prime will be useful for indoor events. The DSLR won't be staying home though, that will be used for landscape and animals.

Thanks for your comment.

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Roger Engelken
Roger Engelken Veteran Member • Posts: 5,558
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!
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Enjoy the new camera. 

Always remember, "rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

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OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!
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Thanks, I hear you!

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Astrotripper Veteran Member • Posts: 8,676
A little tip
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photoholiko wrote:

If some of you use the GX85 and either of the lenses I mentioned, any comments will be appreciated.

Not specific to your new kit, but I recommend you check out Touch Pad AF. This is perfect feature for rangefinder shaped cameras like GX85.

What it does, is that when you look through the viewfinder with your right eye, your right thumb can easily touch and swipe the touchscreen at the back. By setting Touch Pad AF option to Offset, you can easily move around the AF point that way. It is the best implementation of this kind of feature I've used so far. I use it on my GM5 all the time.

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EGuitarStar
EGuitarStar Regular Member • Posts: 193
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!
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You're doomed! You are going to have so much fun with the m43 system.

I have a GX85 (known as GX80 in the UK) and have used it extensively over the past 7 months that I have owned it.

The 12-32 kit lens paired with the GX85 makes it such a great combo for travel. I've often just shot exclusively with this on my travels.

One thing I'd suggest you do when you get your camera is to setup the Quick Menu, it'll save you a lot of time.

Enjoy the camera and your travels, hopefully you'll share what you capture.

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OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: A little tip

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that feature, I will try it.

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OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

Thanks EGuitarStar, it's comments like your that make me feel I made a good choice.

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MOD Tom Caldwell Forum Pro • Posts: 46,360
I struggle to find which M4/3 body that I could retire
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I don’t feel that I am making any compromises with my M4/3 gear because it is satisfying my needs.

In fact the main issue is a surfeit of camera bodies that I truly like.  I would next best buy a GX9 but I already have a GX7 which is too good to retire and a GX85 which I hold in high regard and a G9 which is wonderful kit.  So it gets not to an “upgrade” but an “add-to” situation as I don’t really have any Panasonic bodies that I am not out of love wth.

What a problem ....

But I might buy an S1/S1R somewhere down the track but only to adapt my existing crop of EF lenses to.

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Tom Caldwell

Badwater Senior Member • Posts: 2,095
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!
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photoholiko wrote:

Why? at my age I may die before m43 does.

I will be doing some serious travelling in 2019 and I have been looking for a walk around camera upgrade to supplement my present travel kit (Canon 70D + 10-18, 18-55 & 55-250). I was considering the Sony A6300, Panasonic GX9 and Olympus E-PL9. Based on price and features I decided on the GX85, it came in at under $600 USD and included two kit lenses, a 12-32 and 45-150. I'm aware of the compromise I am making compared to my other choices but I like the features it offers and price was definitely a factor, it will replace my E-PL1 and Pentax Q7, though I may take the Q7 along as well.

Congratulations on the upgrade.  MFT is not for everyone.  HOWEVER, being that you have photo skills with a DSLR, you should find the MFT more capable than what others may think.  What you'll really notice is the IBIS or DUAL IS, it's a game changer that nobody other than MFT users know about.

I will start testing it when it arrives next week by simulating the types of scenery I will encounter in my travels.

If some of you use the GX85 and either of the lenses I mentioned, any comments will be appreciated.

IME with GX85 and the 2 kit lenses is, you can use them in any daylight condition, and even some low light conditions because of the DUAL IS ability of that camera.  Both are super sharp through the zoom range.   The 12-32 has a plastic mount, and no manual focus ring which drives me nuts.  But the Contrast DFD AF is super fast and accurate, even in lower light than most DSLRs.  People mock the contrast AF, but you'll soon find that the Panasonic DFD AF will be faster and more accurate in low light especially with f/1.7 lenses.  By the way, if you have the funds, check out the PanLeica 15mm f/1.7, and the Panasonic 42.5 f/1.7.  They are super sharp, and AF super fast and accurate in very low light.  And they both have super light and smooth focus rings which make one handed operation a breeze.  Having both allows you to shoot in very low light conditions.  Plus, they are small enough to carry in the pocket.  It's what I use during the night in the city, and anywhere there is almost no light.

As for the 45-150, it has a metal mount and is built with weather sealing.  Once you get that lens, check the lens firmware updates.  With the Panasonic, the DFD AF relies on the lens to work with camera for fast AF and stabilizaton with DUAL IS.  Unlike DSLRs where the lens profile is updated to the camera, with Panasonic, the lens firmware is updated to the lens.  Each Panasonic lens has a specific firmware dedicated to that specific lens.  Your 12-32 should have the latest firmware update but the 45-150 may not.  Thus, check the Panasonic online to learn how to check and update the lens firmware.  It will make a difference in AF speed, and stabilization.  You may or may not need to update the firmware, but check it to be sure you have the latest update on the 45-150 lens.

Just one more tip for the GX85.  Don't be afraid to shoot JPG and high ISOs of 3200 and 6400 or higher.  This camera has the ability to shoot high ISO and the new Venus processor, does a great job with low light and NR on JPG files.  And, test out your skills with the DUAL IS to see how long you can hold the shutter open.  The GX85 can do 1/2 to one second shutter hand held standing.  And more than 2x that while sitting.

Eric Nepean
Eric Nepean Veteran Member • Posts: 6,209
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

photoholiko wrote:

Thanks EGuitarStar, it's comments like your that make me feel I made a good choice.

In addition to thee customising the Quick Menu, I find the Custom modes are quite handy.

You can set a custom mode to be "P", "A", "S" or "M", by choosing that mode with the mode dial, and then you save it as a custom mode.

For example, sometimes the situation arises where things are moving really fast, and you want have only a few seconds to capture it. How to set up your camera quickly? For this purpose I have custom mode 1, easy to remember, set as shutter priority "S", with a shutter speed about 1/800 and with auto ISO limited to 1200, AF-S with IBIS on. Exposure compensation -1/3 of a stop, slow burst rate.

It's not perfect but with this I can capture most things.

Not also that every custom mode can have its own button configuration, and its own quick menu.

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Cheers
Eric

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OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

Thanks for that Info. Eric.

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john isaacs Veteran Member • Posts: 8,444
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

photoholiko wrote:

Why? at my age I may die before m43 does.

I will be doing some serious travelling in 2019 and I have been looking for a walk around camera upgrade to supplement my present travel kit (Canon 70D + 10-18, 18-55 & 55-250). I was considering the Sony A6300, Panasonic GX9 and Olympus E-PL9. Based on price and features I decided on the GX85, it came in at under $600 USD and included two kit lenses, a 12-32 and 45-150. I'm aware of the compromise I am making compared to my other choices but I like the features it offers and price was definitely a factor, it will replace my E-PL1 and Pentax Q7, though I may take the Q7 along as well.

I will start testing it when it arrives next week by simulating the types of scenery I will encounter in my travels.

If some of you use the GX85 and either of the lenses I mentioned, any comments will be appreciated.

I shoot Nikon (full, APS-C), Olympus, and Panasonic.  Most of the time, I reach for my Olympus cameras.  Portability and usability are my main criteria.  Unless I specifically need the capabilities of some other cameras.

OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
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To Badwater,

I also have experience with m43, I'm still using the E-PL1 and I bought a E-M5 when it came out but my wife has hogged that up along with three lenses and refuses to let go.

I'm using the Pany 14-42 but as others have also mentioned a fast prime would be useful, I have seen some great results from the 15/1.7 so I will look into some primes.

Thank you for the great advice you have given me, I appreciate it.

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OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: I'm buying an m43 despite m43 death rumors!

Like I said, I use DSLRs and crop sensor cameras for different occasions, in this case it will be street Vs Landscapes.

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Rail2trail Regular Member • Posts: 426
Better move quick!

Once the em1x sucks the remaining air from the m4/3 balloon it will be game over! Or better yet, wait til that happens and buy some nice gear at fire sale prices.

Or...ignore all the nonsense and buy and use whatever you enjoy. I suspect anyone with a dimage 7 and a pentax Q in their profile knows well enough how to look past all the hype.

Ps-I still own both too! It always leaves me flummoxed whenever a file from that dimiage comes up and I think it came from a more “refined”, newer camera.

OP photoholiko Veteran Member • Posts: 3,763
Re: I struggle to find which M4/3 body that I could retire

I also have a crop of EF lenses and have been hankering for a FF, but I'm going to wait because I really don't need FF for better IQ, what I have does a good job but I would love to use my legacy FF lenses for what they were designed for.

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