Leica vs Huawei

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Blackraven Forum Member • Posts: 64
Leica vs Huawei
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I recently purchased a Huawei P20 PRO which is equipped with a Leica-branded lens. I've been quite amazed with its performance. On a recent trip to New Zealand I carried it along with my Leica M240 with 21mm F3.4 lens, and quite often took the same shots with both "cameras" as a back-up and to provide a different "feel".

Later - upon reviewing both photos - I was astonished by the Huawei. It matches up very well with the Leica.

See the below shots for a comparison;

Pic A

Pic B

Which is which?

One clearly has the "Leica-look" and just edges it. But it's close.

For sharpness - there is really is nothing in it.

Phone technology really has come of age.

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DJ2014 Regular Member • Posts: 372
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Given the dynamic range I would assume picture A is the Leica (larger sensor).

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Blackraven wrote:

I recently purchased a Huawei P20 PRO which is equipped with a Leica-branded lens. I've been quite amazed with its performance. On a recent trip to New Zealand I carried it along with my Leica M240 with 21mm F3.4 lens, and quite often took the same shots with both "cameras" as a back-up and to provide a different "feel".

Later - upon reviewing both photos - I was astonished by the Huawei. It matches up very well with the Leica.

See the below shots for a comparison;

Pic A

Pic B

Which is which?

One clearly has the "Leica-look" and just edges it. But it's close.

For sharpness - there is really is nothing in it.

Phone technology really has come of age.

I do agree with you – cellphones technology progressed, making them very good pocketable computer tablets.  But, physics and optics tell us: larger sensor cells and larger lenses can give better image quality with much higher resolution and SNR.  The differences could not be seen on small phone or laptop screens, especially if those are of mediocre character.  
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image A is a  better candidate for Leica M240. the other picture has crushed shadows

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For sharpness - there is really is nothing in it.

Is 1/1000 sec for the Huawei shot versus 1/60 sec (handheld?) for the Leica shot at play here?

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I peeked at the EXIF data so I know which is which.  Personally I'd ease up a bit on the contrast in the second image, and either back off the vignetting or apply some de-vignetting, but that's a matter of taste.

I'm also very impressed with current smartdevice image quality. On all my trips & holidays in 2018 I used a "proper" camera and my iPhone (via the Pro Camera Raw app) more or less interchangeably. In good light they both produced really good 4K (2160 pixels vertically) final images.

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You left the EXIF data, so it's not much of a challenge!

If you zoom in it is very obvious. One image has detail, and the other has a lot of NR smearing. What is odd is that the Leica image has severely clipped highlights and heavy vignetting - some issue with exposure or processing.

In another thread Irakly compared a Leica M to a racing yacht: you can get a lot of performance out of it, but it doesn't hold your hand and do a lot of the work for you like many modern cameras!

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It’s surprising the dynamic range of the phone versus the dedicated camera. I love Leica and the Leica forum but I don’t think I will ever own one.

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John Kot wrote:

You left the EXIF data, so it's not much of a challenge!

If you zoom in it is very obvious. One image has detail, and the other has a lot of NR smearing. What is odd is that the Leica image has severely clipped highlights and heavy vignetting - some issue with exposure or processing.

In another thread Irakly compared a Leica M to a racing yacht: you can get a lot of performance out of it, but it doesn't hold your hand and do a lot of the work for you like many modern cameras!

I’m curious where you see heavy vignetting.

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John Kot wrote:

You left the EXIF data, so it's not much of a challenge!

If you zoom in it is very obvious. One image has detail, and the other has a lot of NR smearing. What is odd is that the Leica image has severely clipped highlights and heavy vignetting - some issue with exposure or processing.

In another thread Irakly compared a Leica M to a racing yacht: you can get a lot of performance out of it, but it doesn't hold your hand and do a lot of the work for you like many modern cameras!

The shots were JPEG out of the camera. I don't see the smearing in the Huawei shot to be honest. Check the foreground grass details in the left corner. There are individual strands of grass in both shots.

Re "clipped highlights" - the only way to prevent the "clipped" highlights would have been to underexpose the shot but that would have made the shot too dark. And there is no vignetting - check the sky in the top left.

The dark shadow areas is a signature of the lens (the 28mm cron has same signature) and is part of the beloved "Leica-look".

My point here is not to criticise the Leica - which I love. But to highlight how far phone camera technology has improved.

As the lens is branded as a Leica on the Huawei phone - i would like to congratulate Leica for doing such a good job.

Out of the two shots, I still prefer the Leica result.

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LOL, I purposely did not, and now I know what to do to make a Leica shot look like a smartphone photo

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It got me interested, and I opened the files at 100%. The smearing on the shot A is absolutely evident. Take a look.

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phototeacher Senior Member • Posts: 1,106
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If you consider the difference in the size of the two sensors, when viewing at 100% wouldn't you expect to see more imperfections in the much smaller size phone sensor?

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What do you think, would I? I am surprised that OP did not.

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JDLaing50 wrote:

I’m curious where you see heavy vignetting.

Well, from the big difference in luminance values between the right hand and bottom left corner regions and the centre of the image. Big chunks of the sky are blown so it is difficult to judge from the top left corner.

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Irakly Shanidze wrote:

image A is a better candidate for Leica M240. the other picture has crushed shadows

Irakly - you are something of an expert. Are crushed shadows a part of the "Leica look"?

"The dark shadow areas is a signature of the lens (the 28mm cron has same signature) and is part of the beloved 'Leica-look'."

Personally I've never heard of it, but I'm willing to be educated.

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John Kot wrote:

JDLaing50 wrote:

I’m curious where you see heavy vignetting.

Well, from the big difference in luminance values between the right hand and bottom left corner regions and the centre of the image. Big chunks of the sky are blown so it is difficult to judge from the top left corner.

Nah. Looks like exposure problems to me.

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JDLaing50 wrote:

John Kot wrote:

JDLaing50 wrote:

I’m curious where you see heavy vignetting.

Well, from the big difference in luminance values between the right hand and bottom left corner regions and the centre of the image. Big chunks of the sky are blown so it is difficult to judge from the top left corner.

Nah. Looks like exposure problems to me.

You’re probably right.

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The dark shadow areas is a signature of the lens (the 28mm cron has same signature) and is part of the beloved "Leica-look".

I don't understand how a particular lens can underexpose shadows 'purposely' while another will not? Each lens may have abberations (color, fringing, chromatic abberations, distortions etc.) but one that only underexposes shadow areas, I'm not so sure.

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phototeacher wrote:

The dark shadow areas is a signature of the lens (the 28mm cron has same signature) and is part of the beloved "Leica-look".

I don't understand how a particular lens can underexpose shadows 'purposely' while another will not?

Side effect of inherent low Light Transmission quality of the particular lens?

Each lens may have abberations (color, fringing, chromatic abberations, distortions etc.) but one that only underexposes shadow areas, I'm not so sure.

In a high contrast scene, areas of low light can appear to be effected disproportional by a lens that has lower light transmission quality.  In this specific case though...might be nothing more than poor exposure issues for the scene

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