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SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)

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MyM6II Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
Re: SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)
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ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

Please upload the full size, unedited “out of camera” jpeg’s from your FZ80. Then maybe we can compare. Else it is just comparing apples and bananas.

Well, they would do no good, as I lower sharpness to -5..and NR to -5...and contrast to -1.

These would result in dull, flat images.

Not much different to shooting RAW with the sx70, then. Both will need post processing..

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OP ANAYV Forum Pro • Posts: 23,926
Re: SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

Please upload the full size, unedited “out of camera” jpeg’s from your FZ80. Then maybe we can compare. Else it is just comparing apples and bananas.

Well, they would do no good, as I lower sharpness to -5..and NR to -5...and contrast to -1.

These would result in dull, flat images.

Not much different to shooting RAW with the sx70, then. Both will need post processing..

For me..it would be big difference, as I would have to convert the RAW file to DNG...then can use old version of PS elements to edit the RAWs...

Plus i can only shoot at 1699mm and 9MP, if using jpegs.

SX70 has ACR  support already...but only good for current PS users.

I save lots of time shooting jpeg, and editing in simple FastStone.

Until i learn DXO PhotoLab..i will still be editing jpegs. RAW will take me much longer..so I avoid it.

Those looking for SOOC...will NOT have best I.Q. of ANY camera.

shots for memory lane...Ok

But best to edit them, IMHO. All print shops edit the images, unless you ask them not to.

Part of the process.

Amsel Adams did plenty of editing on his images (before computers and PhotoShop were around) ..He did dodge/burn and other darkroom technics...just sayin

ANAYV

MyM6II Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
Re: SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)
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ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

Please upload the full size, unedited “out of camera” jpeg’s from your FZ80. Then maybe we can compare. Else it is just comparing apples and bananas.

Well, they would do no good, as I lower sharpness to -5..and NR to -5...and contrast to -1.

I take it that you are afraid to show us the full size photos, then.

Hhaha..what happens to me...afraid of ???

I never post full size images..no way to protect them. i don't add copyright info on them...plus quicker to download smaller files. Plus most viewers only have 2MP screens (Ipads, Tablets, Cellphones, etc.

These would result in dull, flat images. That would prove nothing, except that one needs to lower these, to get decent quality out of the FZ80.

It would be very interesting to see the best starting point.

But at least you should upload the full size (18MB) edited versions.

I lower my FZ80 to 9MP..this gives me 1699mm reach!

So not exactly comparable to full size 20MP sx70 photos, that will show more flaws when peeped, obviously.

Seems like you are very interested in pixel peeping.

Yes, unfortunately.

So please show us.

for you, i make an exception..just answer the question for me (think i asked once, already)

I just posted two shots.

So..are you interested in buying the SX70..or have no interest.. just reading various posts?

Interested. But need some good RAW examples to test first. No-one seems willing to provide that, yet. So still waiting. But so far the jpegs seems promising.

Thanks

ANAYV

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Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 7,418
Re: SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

So..are you interested in buying the SX70..or have no interest.. just reading various posts?

Interested. But need some good RAW examples to test first. No-one seems willing to provide that, yet. So still waiting. But so far the jpegs seems promising.

Lots of CR3 RAW files seem to be available in the link below. Also the SOOC JPEGs.

https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_powershot_sx70_hs_review/sample_images

MyM6II Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
Re: SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)
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ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

Please upload the full size, unedited “out of camera” jpeg’s from your FZ80. Then maybe we can compare. Else it is just comparing apples and bananas.

Well, they would do no good, as I lower sharpness to -5..and NR to -5...and contrast to -1.

These would result in dull, flat images.

Not much different to shooting RAW with the sx70, then. Both will need post processing..

For me..it would be big difference, as I would have to convert the RAW file to DNG...then can use old version of PS elements to edit the RAWs....

Easy. No problem with newest Lightroom. Or if you want something free: Edit (and convert) with CanonDPP. Or convert to Tiff (or jpeg) with DPP and edit in the editor you want.

Plus i can only shoot at 1699mm and 9MP, if using jpegs.

That's about the same as cropping in post. Cropping is (for the most) even better.

SX70 has ACR support already...but only good for current PS users.

or Lightroom .....

I save lots of time shooting jpeg, and editing in simple FastStone.

I do that in Lightroom. But many also like DPP (free).

Until i learn DXO PhotoLab..i will still be editing jpegs. RAW will take me much longer..so I avoid it.

Does not take longer with the right tools.

Those looking for SOOC...will NOT have best I.Q. of ANY camera.

shots for memory lane...Ok

But best to edit them, IMHO. All print shops edit the images, unless you ask them not to.

Part of the process.

Amsel Adams did plenty of editing on his images (before computers and PhotoShop were around) ..He did dodge/burn and other darkroom technics...just sayin

ANAYV

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MyM6II Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
Re: SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)
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Steen Bay wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

So..are you interested in buying the SX70..or have no interest.. just reading various posts?

Interested. But need some good RAW examples to test first. No-one seems willing to provide that, yet. So still waiting. But so far the jpegs seems promising.

Lots of CR3 RAW files seem to be available in the link below. Also the SOOC JPEGs.

https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_powershot_sx70_hs_review/sample_images

Sorry. Should have mentioned. I have already tried that. The photos are taken in very grey weather and are bad examples and/or have very high ISO. I can't belive they tested the camera in such bad weather. Lousy job.

I would like some good weather, ISO 100, RAW examples.

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Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 7,418
SX70 RAW files

MyM3 wrote:

Steen Bay wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

So..are you interested in buying the SX70..or have no interest.. just reading various posts?

Interested. But need some good RAW examples to test first. No-one seems willing to provide that, yet. So still waiting. But so far the jpegs seems promising.

Lots of CR3 RAW files seem to be available in the link below. Also the SOOC JPEGs.

https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_powershot_sx70_hs_review/sample_images

Sorry. Should have mentioned. I have already tried that. The photos are taken in very grey weather and are bad examples and/or have very high ISO. I can't belive they tested the camera in such bad weather. Lousy job.

I would like some good weather, ISO 100, RAW examples.

At least 12 RAW files/images shot at ISO 100/125 are available. Isn't that more that enough to get a good impression of how big an advantage it will be to shoot RAW?

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Re: SX70 RAW files
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Steen Bay wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

Steen Bay wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

So..are you interested in buying the SX70..or have no interest.. just reading various posts?

Interested. But need some good RAW examples to test first. No-one seems willing to provide that, yet. So still waiting. But so far the jpegs seems promising.

Lots of CR3 RAW files seem to be available in the link below. Also the SOOC JPEGs.

https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_powershot_sx70_hs_review/sample_images

Sorry. Should have mentioned. I have already tried that. The photos are taken in very grey weather and are bad examples and/or have very high ISO. I can't belive they tested the camera in such bad weather. Lousy job.

I would like some good weather, ISO 100, RAW examples.

At least 12 RAW images shot at ISO 100/125 are available. Isn't that more that enough to get a good impression of how big an advantage it will be to shoot RAW?

There is advantage in shooting RAW. No doubt. But these photos say nothing about how the camera will act and what the advantage will be in good light (read; sunshine).

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Re: SX70..why all the critics? Take the SX70 challenge :)

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

ANAYV wrote:

MyM3 wrote:

Please upload the full size, unedited “out of camera” jpeg’s from your FZ80. Then maybe we can compare. Else it is just comparing apples and bananas.

Well, they would do no good, as I lower sharpness to -5..and NR to -5...and contrast to -1.

These would result in dull, flat images.

Not much different to shooting RAW with the sx70, then. Both will need post processing..

For me..it would be big difference, as I would have to convert the RAW file to DNG...then can use old version of PS elements to edit the RAWs....

Easy. No problem with newest Lightroom.

Don't have it.

Or if you want something free: Edit (and convert) with CanonDPP. Or convert to Tiff (or jpeg) with DPP and edit in the editor you want.

That works for Canon Only. No help to me, right now . But good to know ACR and Lightroom as well as DPP (of course) all support the SX70 already. Long wait for DXO, I'm sure.

Plus i can only shoot at 1699mm and 9MP, if using jpegs.

That's about the same as cropping in post. Cropping is (for the most) even better.

Actually...you get better exposure on subject and better AF, too.

Yes one can crop later, but for metering and AF...better in camera, IMHO. Especially for small subject far away. Exposure without the in camera crop won't be the same , often.

SX70 has ACR support already...but only good for current PS users.

or Lightroom .....

Yep.

I save lots of time shooting jpeg, and editing in simple FastStone.

I do that in Lightroom.

so you do edit your images. Ok.

But many also like DPP (free).

FastStone is free, too, as is Silkypix for Panasonic cameras. Too complicated for my small brain

Until i learn DXO PhotoLab..i will still be editing jpegs. RAW will take me much longer..so I avoid it.

Does not take longer with the right tools.

Depends on the person, IMHO. Once you can find them tools..where are they? lol.

Fully confused with DXO at the moment.

thanks

ANAYV

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Re: SX60 does not even measure up to FZ80 :)

jshen808 wrote:

..just wait for the DPReview's "Studio shot comparison".. (click here for the link)

..personally, I don't even think the FZ80 can even measure up to the SX60.. (see below)

1. FZ80 vs. SX60.. (example 1)

..FZ80 vs. SX60..

..FZ80..

..SX60..

2. FZ80 vs. SX60.. (example 2)

..FZ80 vs. SX60..

..FZ80..

..SX60..

Here are 4 cameras, including  your beloved SX60...and P1000 !

I added the FZ80 and P610, owning both .

depends where you look :

ISO 400. Mmmm.

What happened to the resolution? Softer image with the SX60. Can't resolve to number 26. Actually 24 is also soft. Not what i am looking for in detail. Glad i lost that auction on this SX60..and thanks for pointing the Studio chart out, jshen808!

appreciate it.

Yep...just exactly as you stated.....NOT

Care to see more

Didn't think so.

..the FZ80 can't even measure up to the SX60..

..this post will be bookmarked to be reposted for future references..

..Cheers..

Indeed.

Can't wait . Especially when less detail is shown, as DPreview always uses default settings...so SX70 will not look as good as it is....but I bookmarked this already!!

also when will you post images at telephoto end from the SX70 showing at least as much detail as FZ80.Birds would be nice.

I know Avian's skills, but don't know about yours...don't really know you, as you don't know me.  But from how you were with Gordon, i suspect at times, you have too much to drink..and then apologize after. That was nice of you to apologize!

SX60 seems better at handling noise..but perhaps at the expense of loosing detail.

Seems the SX70 took the same road, only less adjustments for lowering the NR.

Looking forward to those test shots

Good thing there is RAW!

Here's how you talk to me...so:

now..go and  defend your purchase..but waiting to see what you can do with it.

you seen my images..love to see yours (but not the P900 Heron

any comparable images at full telephoto showing detail would be nice. you say you need more reach. i suppose for far away subjects, like birds?

when the weather gets better...I'm sure you will come through

bookmarked...but doubt you will impress with images from your SX70

Like this way of communication, jshen808?

I don't

Will check back in few...when reviews are out and studio scene is up.

By then i might already have better lens for longer reach..then it wont matter what my FZ80 or your SX70 can do

ANAYV

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Good you are using the "studio shot comparison"..
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..then just wait until DPReview does the SX70 for comparison..

..otherwise everything said is just blowing hot air..

..and everything said is just "blah, blah, blah"..

3. FX80 vs. SX60.. (example 3)

..FZ80 vs. SX60..

..FZ80..

..SX60..

4. FX80 vs. SX60.. (example 4)

..FZ80 vs. SX60..

..FZ80..

..SX60..

..in my examples, the FX80 images shows more "noise" than the SX60..

..the FZ80 just does not measure up..

..Cheers..

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Re: Good you are using the "studio shot comparison"..

jshen808 wrote:

..then just wait until DPReview does the SX70 for comparison..

..otherwise everything said is just blowing hot air..

..and everything said is just "blah, blah, blah"..

3. FX80 vs. SX60.. (example 3)

4. FX80 vs. SX60.. (example 4)

We can go back and forth...but no need to.

These are test shots, as I mentioned..not showing the real deal. Default everything when these are taken. Proving little, and not taken at the telephoto end of the lens

..in my examples, the FX80 images shows more "noise" than the SX60..

Yes. FZ80 known for noisy sensor.

But other shots also shows less detail..all who view these can see this.

FZ80 holds onto detail...that's also important, no?

You said you were ok with some noise.

..the FZ80 just does not measure up..

Doesn't have to. In my examples the SX60 is softer and less detailed.

In yours the SX60 has less noise and better color. Some better or same detail.

So...who wins/ No one...not a good enough test, obviously!

These cameras are known for not great I.Q.

It's all how one uses a camera, determination , patience, fooling with settings, etc.

That's how I get good results with it . I shouldn't according to you, or reviews and some of the areas in the studio test scene (I've shown were sharpness is better ...see green fur, and resolution shots) be honest.

I don't shoot RAW, no fancy editing, like layers, masks, etc. simple program , free.

How come my images are as good as anyone with the P900...B700..SX60?

I prove my statements by my own images. I back up my claim of good sharpness at telephoto end of FZ80 handheld..

No one here or Nature /Wildlife or Nikon Coolpix or Panasonic forums denies this.

My images speak for themselves.

Well..the FZ80 is doing all the real talking...not me..i'm the dummy behind it, lol.

Only time will tell if your images can even match what I've already shown with the lesser FZ80.

So i won't waste our time...just show me what I showed you. Real images taken by...us.

Who care about studio scene that shows both good and bad from each camera?

In case you forgot:

Here's what the real FZ80 can do (if one learns a bit about it)

1/20th at 1200mm. ISO 200

1200mm  1/80th. Good O.I.S. at work. Important for these cameras.

Want birds...Egrets, GBH...Chipmunks..squirrels....I'm ready ...just ask.

Show me yours. Enough of bla..bla..bla..

Show me full or near full zoom, handheld shots...either from your SX60...P900...B700

Post them here ...on this thread

or post a new thread and we can compare..let others decide. That's fair.

Then ...we will see if FZ80 is or is NOT in same league as other superzooms with similar reach.

Your B700 and P900 been around for a while...so you must have some excellent shots also, with them?

Let the pictures prove what we can not in words nor Studio test charts show.

Let's show what these cameras can do out in the field....nature...where most of us use them.

what else would one use over 1200mm for?

Can't wait

Peace

ANAYV

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