Is it time to move on from my T4i

I think one of the best values would be the Canon 80D, if you are looking for a Canon crop DSLR camera. But I chose the Canon T7i (800D) because I think it's all I need and the price is less expensive. I prefer the lighter weight also. For years I have been using Canon T2i/T3i (550D/600D) cameras. This past year I bought a Canon T7i (800D) camera. I have been really impressed with its high ISO capability, so I'll probably get another one or the Canon SL2 (200D) or 77D or 80D (which all also have greater high ISO capability). The maximum shutter speed of the Canon T7i (800D) camera is 1/4000th of a second, but I haven't found any need to go faster than that.

Here's one recent example at ISO8000 that I took with my Canon T7i (800D) camera. I did no special noise reduction with software. That's Multnomah Falls in the background. I should mention that when I took this photo, it was dark and cloudy. The mountain shadow makes this an especially dark place in winter (the sunlight that is hidden by the clouds and this mountain is very low in the horizon). It's a great place where I am able to test the camera in extremely poor light conditions.

A little edit: Here's a crop of that ISO8000 picture.  I was able to remove the handrail.  It's overall a nicer photo.  I'm amazed at the detail in a dark environment.

Thanks!

one constraint I left out is dynamic range. How much would I need to spend to get more DR in a canon?

i constantly blowout the sky when shooting. I shoot a lot on the beach and this is a constant problem

yes I should shoot brackets but sometimes I forget

Yes, that was taken at Multnomah Falls, Oregon. Here's another one showing the effects of the Eagle Creek Fire.

I showed more pictures of Multnomah Falls, Oregon here recently:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62059551

From what I recall reading, the dynamic range is better, but you would have to read the reviews to determine the extent. It seems the dynamic range is improved after I view the photos on the computer but maybe that's hopeful thinking on my part. I haven't done any tests between the older cameras and latest camera with similar conditions to know for sure.

I didn't think getting another 6 megapixels would make that much difference, but when cropping a little it is nice that there's more pixels to work with. That's another plus also.

If you view my Show Your Snaps photos, you will see a combination of photos from my older cameras and new camera. You should see that in good lighting without the need to crop, that either one of them will be OK. I find the greatest dramatic improvement (at least from my viewpoint) is the high ISO capability. There's other improvements like now we can adjust the exposure compensation when using autoISO in manual mode. I don't know if you have that in your Canon T4i (650D) camera.

For example, see the following image at ISO500, F11, 1/640, 55mm FL and +.33 exposure compensation. We can't use 1/3rd incremental ISO values without using autoISO with the Canon T7i (800D) camera (as far as I know), so you know that is how I did it. Is the dynamic range better? Can that be seen here? I don't know but I did not adjust any of the lighting with this one. I straightened the horizon and resized with IrfanView.

Here is another sample at ISO8000. It looks like it was taken during the day, but it was actually taken at night. The lighting is from a large lamp on the left side.

Thanks.

I shoot raw. I run it to an issue at baseball games and bright days when I’m trying to stop action. My Biggest problem is shooting at the beach and blowing out the sky.

Crotonmark wrote:

ive had the t4i since it was released

what is considered a good step up canon?

Sensor wise, any of the DPAF capable APS-C senor cameras. AF ability is the same between the T7i, 77D and 80D with the exception being the 80D has the ability to micro adjust focus. Video wise they are all similar except the 80D has ALLI output. The main drawbacks for the SL2 is its 9-opoint AF system and shallow RAW buffer. Otherwise, the differences are somewhat minor with the T7i, 77d and 80D.

I understand that I have to stay with crop since I now own crop lenses

i’d Like a new camera to shoot faster than 1/4000 if possible

This reduces your pool of potential cameras to two. The 7D2 and 80D are the only newer crop cameras to offer this shutter speed.

also would really like cellular or WiFi to see photos on iPad when shooting

All the newer crop cameras offer this and have the same ability. The only difference I am aware of is that the SL2 is the only one to allow remote control of camera functions during video recording via the phone app.

discussion welcomed!

thanks

mark

OP:

Which lenses do you have?
Have you considered something like the EOS R (yes, full frame)?

Crotonmark wrote:

Thanks!

one constraint I left out is dynamic range. How much would I need to spend to get more DR in a canon?

i constantly blowout the sky when shooting. I shoot a lot on the beach and this is a constant problem

yes I should shoot brackets but sometimes I forget

Here is a chart comparing the 550D to the 77D.  They didn't have a 650D to reference but the 550D is close.  The 77D is the same as any current APS-C Canon camera with the latest DPAF sensor.  There are decent DR improvements to be had in the lower ISO range by moving to a newer camera.

JPAlbert wrote:

OP:

Which lenses do you have?
Have you considered something like the EOS R (yes, full frame)?

50mm 1.8

tamron 17-50

canon 55-250

all crop lenses except the 50mm

What will this buy me in the real world shooting?

Crotonmark wrote:

What will this buy me in the real world shooting?

My personal experience is going to the SL2 from the 60D. I can push shadows and highlights much more with the SL2. For me, the difference was quite substantial with low ISO shooting. As the ISO increases the DR advantage fades a good bit. Also, low ISO performance is a good bit better between the SL2 and 60D. You will probably see about the same difference since the sensors between to 60D and 650D are similar performing.

Below is an example where I raised shadow areas a good amount.  The porch area was extremely dark before the manipulation.  This would not be possible with the 60D.

thanks - great shot

I have shot a lot of similar photos

I always lose the sky

Thanks