FTZ adapter foot

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FTZ adapter foot

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable? I can see some screws on the bottom...lol...

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Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable?

No. That is assuming you want it to work afterwards.

I can see some screws on the bottom...lol...

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Leonard Shepherd
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JimKasson wrote:

Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable?

No. That is assuming you want it to work afterwards.

Are you sure you are right Jim?

While I cannot see any benefit in removing the screws my speculation is there is a part about 2mm thick that maybe protects the area inside where the tripod screw hole attaches to the main FTZ body.

Removing the part after taking out the 4 screws may be possible.

I do not see any benefit in doing this as the rest of the foot looks like a one piece moulding forming part of the main FTZ body.

Laci55 - why not try it and report back!

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Re: FTZ adapter foot

Leonard Shepherd wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable?

No. That is assuming you want it to work afterwards.

Are you sure you are right Jim?

While I cannot see any benefit in removing the screws my speculation is there is a part about 2mm thick that maybe protects the area inside where the tripod screw hole attaches to the main FTZ body.

Removing the part after taking out the 4 screws may be possible.

I do not see any benefit in doing this the rest of the foot looks like a one piece moulding forming part of the FTZ main body.

I was talking about removing the whole foot. I don't see the point of just removing the plate on the bottom.

Laci55 - why not try it and report back!

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Re: FTZ adapter foot

Thank You Jim! Have a nice day!

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Hi Leonard! I do not have the camera yet... I removed the "foot" from my Metabone V adapter too... I am just like this...lol... It was useless for me... Is there any "functionality" bild into the foot of the FTZ adapter???

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Yes Jim! Removing the whole part was my idea...lol...

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Leonard Shepherd
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Re: FTZ adapter foot

Laci55 wrote:

Is there any "functionality" bild into the foot of the FTZ adapter???

There is a quick release tripod screw thread on the FTZ for better balance of heavier lenses on a tripod.

The FTZ guidance in the Z7 manual suggests a maximum lens weight of 1,300 grams (13.9 ounces) before holding the combination via the lens and not the body.

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Thank You for the info Leonard!

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Roy Kikuta Senior Member • Posts: 1,954
Re: FTZ adapter foot
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JimKasson wrote:

Leonard Shepherd wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable?

No. That is assuming you want it to work afterwards.

Are you sure you are right Jim?

While I cannot see any benefit in removing the screws my speculation is there is a part about 2mm thick that maybe protects the area inside where the tripod screw hole attaches to the main FTZ body.

Removing the part after taking out the 4 screws may be possible.

I do not see any benefit in doing this the rest of the foot looks like a one piece moulding forming part of the FTZ main body.

I was talking about removing the whole foot. I don't see the point of just removing the plate on the bottom.

Laci55 - why not try it and report back!

Hi, Jim: I'm addressing this to you and not the OP because I had a question about the foot as well. I wondered whether it was possible for some 3rd party vendor to design a more streamlined adapter - sans foot - since I have no use for yet another tripod attachment point - or perhaps there was more to the foot than at first thought... then I remembered that I still had my FT1 adapter from the 1 Nikon system! I decided to do a dissection to see what I could learn - perhaps towards applying knowledge thus gained towards a question I had regarding the FTZ adapter.

Nikon 1 FT1 adapter. Pardon the dust...must remember to dust off before closeups!

Bottom of FT1

Bottom cover plate removed with 4 screws

Portion of foot removed with 3 screws

closeup reveals something that looks like a motor - and a geared cog as well

A look inside the maw of the FT1 shows a lever at about the right depth for the geared cog. Perhaps actuates the aperture lever on G/D lenses?

Of course - not having an FTZ adapter, I can't say whether it's constructed along the same lines or not - but it seems reasonable. Looks like the foot of the adapter is for more than providing a tripod socket. Could it be possible to design a perfectly round adapter without the knobby foot if compatibility with all except "E" (electronic aperture) lenses were a design decision?

Lastly, apologies if this has been discussed before - I'm a lurker in this forum and haven't read many posts to date!

Aloha,

Roy

Peter Jonas Veteran Member • Posts: 3,994
Re: Not removable, because it is not just a foot: FTZ adapter foot

Thanks Roy,

Very educational.

I was always sure that what appears to be a tripod mount on the FTZ adapter is actually a housing for the aperture actuator mechanism. The tripod mount is just a side benefit.

Thus, the "tripod mount" on the FTZ cannot be removed.

This is quite contrary to what is on the Metabones adapter, which is just a lump of metal and is indeed removable.

Roy Kikuta wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Leonard Shepherd wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable?

No. That is assuming you want it to work afterwards.

Are you sure you are right Jim?

While I cannot see any benefit in removing the screws my speculation is there is a part about 2mm thick that maybe protects the area inside where the tripod screw hole attaches to the main FTZ body.

Removing the part after taking out the 4 screws may be possible.

I do not see any benefit in doing this the rest of the foot looks like a one piece moulding forming part of the FTZ main body.

I was talking about removing the whole foot. I don't see the point of just removing the plate on the bottom.

Laci55 - why not try it and report back!

Hi, Jim: I'm addressing this to you and not the OP because I had a question about the foot as well. I wondered whether it was possible for some 3rd party vendor to design a more streamlined adapter - sans foot - since I have no use for yet another tripod attachment point - or perhaps there was more to the foot than at first thought... then I remembered that I still had my FT1 adapter from the 1 Nikon system! I decided to do a dissection to see what I could learn - perhaps towards applying knowledge thus gained towards a question I had regarding the FTZ adapter.

Nikon 1 FT1 adapter. Pardon the dust...must remember to dust off before closeups!

Bottom of FT1

Bottom cover plate removed with 4 screws

Portion of foot removed with 3 screws

closeup reveals something that looks like a motor - and a geared cog as well

A look inside the maw of the FT1 shows a lever at about the right depth for the geared cog. Perhaps actuates the aperture lever on G/D lenses?

Of course - not having an FTZ adapter, I can't say whether it's constructed along the same lines or not - but it seems reasonable. Looks like the foot of the adapter is for more than providing a tripod socket. Could it be possible to design a perfectly round adapter without the knobby foot if compatibility with all except "E" (electronic aperture) lenses were a design decision?

Lastly, apologies if this has been discussed before - I'm a lurker in this forum and haven't read many posts to date!

Aloha,

Roy

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Re: FTZ adapter foot

Roy Kikuta wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Leonard Shepherd wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable?

No. That is assuming you want it to work afterwards.

Are you sure you are right Jim?

While I cannot see any benefit in removing the screws my speculation is there is a part about 2mm thick that maybe protects the area inside where the tripod screw hole attaches to the main FTZ body.

Removing the part after taking out the 4 screws may be possible.

I do not see any benefit in doing this the rest of the foot looks like a one piece moulding forming part of the FTZ main body.

I was talking about removing the whole foot. I don't see the point of just removing the plate on the bottom.

Laci55 - why not try it and report back!

Hi, Jim: I'm addressing this to you and not the OP because I had a question about the foot as well. I wondered whether it was possible for some 3rd party vendor to design a more streamlined adapter - sans foot - since I have no use for yet another tripod attachment point - or perhaps there was more to the foot than at first thought... then I remembered that I still had my FT1 adapter from the 1 Nikon system! I decided to do a dissection to see what I could learn - perhaps towards applying knowledge thus gained towards a question I had regarding the FTZ adapter.

Nikon 1 FT1 adapter. Pardon the dust...must remember to dust off before closeups!

Bottom of FT1

Bottom cover plate removed with 4 screws

Portion of foot removed with 3 screws

closeup reveals something that looks like a motor - and a geared cog as well

A look inside the maw of the FT1 shows a lever at about the right depth for the geared cog. Perhaps actuates the aperture lever on G/D lenses?

Of course - not having an FTZ adapter, I can't say whether it's constructed along the same lines or not - but it seems reasonable. Looks like the foot of the adapter is for more than providing a tripod socket. Could it be possible to design a perfectly round adapter without the knobby foot if compatibility with all except "E" (electronic aperture) lenses were a design decision?

Lastly, apologies if this has been discussed before - I'm a lurker in this forum and haven't read many posts to date!

That's pretty interesting. I love teardowns.

Thanks,

Jim

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ThomasH_always Regular Member • Posts: 331
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Thank you for doing it! This is the only place where I found any images of the adapter interior and the aperture lever control unit.  Of course, when we look at the epic Sony LA-EA5, we know that Nikon could do a similar adapter to the EA5.  The FTZ collides with the tripod plates and causes this "warthog look" with Z bodies, we know all that. But we also suspect that this might collide with the vertical grip.

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Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable? I can see some screws on the bottom...lol...

The "foot" is not removable.  The screws on the bottom are for the 1/4" thick base plate.  It is nothing like the Metabones.

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Note: that was a tear down of the 1-Series FT1 adapter, not the Z-Series FTZ adapter. What he saw there may not have anything at all to do with what’s underneath the tripod plate of the FTZ.

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Thank You so much! Unfortunately I sold all my Nikon gear now and shooting with Hasselblad and Canon.Have a nice day!

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JimKasson wrote:

Laci55 wrote:

Is the "foot" of the FTZ adapter detachable?

No. That is assuming you want it to work afterwards.

I can see some screws on the bottom...lol...

On top of that we have now a firmware update for the FTZ.

Was a surprise for me, but that must mean there is a CPU in there with it's supporting electronics. As circuitboards are preferably rectangular, probably inside that foot.

That adapter is not so dumb as I had thought it is. All the more cynical of Nikon not to include the D-lens screwdriver.

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On top of that we have now a firmware update for the FTZ.

Was a surprise for me, but that must mean there is a CPU in there with it's supporting electronics. As circuitboards are preferably rectangular, probably inside that foot.

The FTZ is certainly not simple. The difficulty is to merry 1959-style mechanical aperture control to a 21st-century mirrorless body that has a wide mount with all electronic controls.

That adapter is not so dumb as I had thought it is. All the more cynical of Nikon not to include the D-lens screwdriver.

Why? Isn't the current FTZ already complicated enough as it is? And if you need to add yet another motor strong enough to drive AF on some fairly big lenses, such as the various versions of the 80-200mm/f2.8 AF and AF-D, not to mention two versions of 300mm/f2.8 with screwdriver AF, it will be even more complicated and bulky. And some people will be quick to complain that such AF is too slow.

For me, actually I want something simpler without the aperture control. I.e. an FTZ adapter only for AF-S E lenses, such as the two PF lenses, 200-500mm/f5.6, and the current E super tels.

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PLShutterbug wrote:

Note: that was a tear down of the 1-Series FT1 adapter, not the Z-Series FTZ adapter. What he saw there may not have anything at all to do with what’s underneath the tripod plate of the FTZ.

It appears to be quite similar.
Here's a picture of an opened FTZ, posted by olyflyer some time ago:

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Boudewijn van der Drift Contributing Member • Posts: 592
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shuncheung wrote:

Boudewijn van der Drift wrote:

On top of that we have now a firmware update for the FTZ.

Was a surprise for me, but that must mean there is a CPU in there with it's supporting electronics. As circuitboards are preferably rectangular, probably inside that foot.

The FTZ is certainly not simple. The difficulty is to merry 1959-style mechanical aperture control to a 21st-century mirrorless body that has a wide mount with all electronic controls.

That adapter is not so dumb as I had thought it is. All the more cynical of Nikon not to include the D-lens screwdriver.

Why? Isn't the current FTZ already complicated enough as it is? And if you need to add yet another motor strong enough to drive AF on some fairly big lenses, such as the various versions of the 80-200mm/f2.8 AF and AF-D, not to mention two versions of 300mm/f2.8 with screwdriver AF, it will be even more complicated and bulky. And some people will be quick to complain that such AF is too slow.

For me, actually I want something simpler without the aperture control. I.e. an FTZ adapter only for AF-S E lenses, such as the two PF lenses, 200-500mm/f5.6, and the current E super tels.

Well, maybe I am asking much. But such a "difficult motor" with it's gears etc. is already present in most DSLR's (including the D-760 I believe), driving it seems mostly firmware to me, also already existing in these DSLR's.

And the 105/2 D-lens is still being sold new, not sure of being produced. And is as sharp as any S-lens.

I can still hear your president Kennedy say: "not because it is easy...".

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