Jumping off the fence

After a month of staring blankly at the sky asking myself whether I really wanted a full frame mirrorless, I decided this afternoon that I'd be more productive if I just bought one and stopped daydreaming about it. So here we go.

They had the camera and the 35mm lens in stock, but the lens hood was not! The bastards!

With the sun setting rather quickly, I had to go shoot without even bothering to read the manual, so this is not a review, just a first impression:

As much as I like the EF 35mm IS, I think I'm going to sell it now that I have the RF version. The bokeh seems very nice.

Is it really the case that there is no magnification focus support for unchipped manual lenses? This shot with the Samyang 14mm F2.8 was a royal pain in the butt!

APS-C crop seems OK, to the extent that a 13Mpx crop is OK, but dusk was not a very good time to test it, since the noise level when cropped feels like a 13Mpx APS-C camera, too. (In retrospect, this should not surprise anyone.) I'll have to try this again some other time.

One thing is for sure, this is not something you can just pick up and expect to be an expert at in five minutes just because you have experience with an older Canon camera. You actually have to sit down with the manual and try to make sense out of it.

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I certainly agree with your last paragraph. I hope Canon really ups their game on the next R user interface. The R seems like it could be a very nice camera for me if it had more of a conventional control layout/user interface. Every time I have tried the R so far I have walked away quite frustrated. If this sort of ergonomics is the future of photography then I might have to find another activity to occupy my time as this R doesn't make photography fun for me at all.

Realy ? i have great fun using the Eos R.

maybe for me its easier to adapt to new  innovations .

Rawpaul wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I certainly agree with your last paragraph. I hope Canon really ups their game on the next R user interface. The R seems like it could be a very nice camera for me if it had more of a conventional control layout/user interface. Every time I have tried the R so far I have walked away quite frustrated. If this sort of ergonomics is the future of photography then I might have to find another activity to occupy my time as this R doesn't make photography fun for me at all.

Realy ? i have great fun using the Eos R.

maybe for me its easier to adapt to new innovations .

I didn't have to read the 6D manual.  I picked it up and found everything pretty much where it was on the 60D.   Simple.

I tried the same thing with the R, and I could actually take a picture.  However, a lot was different in terms of button and  dial placement and use, and a lot was new.

I ended up having to read the manual.   After that, it was easy and fun to use.   But it is a really new camera.

I don't shoot every day.   I am not a speed shooter.    Sometimes I take both cameras out for the sole purpose of taking pictures.   Most of those times are real estate shoots, which take 30 minutes.  Some are recreational shoots which last as long as the light, typically a couple of hours, or until I decide to do something else.  But most of the time, I have something else to do while I'm taking pictures.    If my life was more focused on photography, I might have a harder time adjusting.

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I certainly agree with your last paragraph. I hope Canon really ups their game on the next R user interface. The R seems like it could be a very nice camera for me if it had more of a conventional control layout/user interface. Every time I have tried the R so far I have walked away quite frustrated. If this sort of ergonomics is the future of photography then I might have to find another activity to occupy my time as this R doesn't make photography fun for me at all.

Well, you know, I had a similar reaction when I started using a 7D mark II after the 6D, yet no one accuses the 7D mark II of having obtuse interfaces. It's just that these newer bodies have more features to get used to than the 6D.

I had an instructor in college saying: "UNIX is a power tool. Power tools kill. Be careful." One may say the same thing about powerful cameras. You have to try to learn one in earnest to get good results.

Ed Rizk wrote:

Rawpaul wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I certainly agree with your last paragraph. I hope Canon really ups their game on the next R user interface. The R seems like it could be a very nice camera for me if it had more of a conventional control layout/user interface. Every time I have tried the R so far I have walked away quite frustrated. If this sort of ergonomics is the future of photography then I might have to find another activity to occupy my time as this R doesn't make photography fun for me at all.

Realy ? i have great fun using the Eos R.

maybe for me its easier to adapt to new innovations .

I didn't have to read the 6D manual. I picked it up and found everything pretty much where it was on the 60D. Simple.

I tried the same thing with the R, and I could actually take a picture. However, a lot was different in terms of button and dial placement and use, and a lot was new.

I ended up having to read the manual. After that, it was easy and fun to use. But it is a really new camera.

I don't shoot every day. I am not a speed shooter. Sometimes I take both cameras out for the sole purpose of taking pictures. Most of those times are real estate shoots, which take 30 minutes. Some are recreational shoots which last as long as the light, typically a couple of hours, or until I decide to do something else. But most of the time, I have something else to do while I'm taking pictures. If my life was more focused on photography, I might have a harder time adjusting.

You are right, but isn’t part off the fun
Learning new stuff?
I think the learning procces is fun too
--
light is the source of all life.....

Rawpaul wrote:

Ed Rizk wrote:

Rawpaul wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I certainly agree with your last paragraph. I hope Canon really ups their game on the next R user interface. The R seems like it could be a very nice camera for me if it had more of a conventional control layout/user interface. Every time I have tried the R so far I have walked away quite frustrated. If this sort of ergonomics is the future of photography then I might have to find another activity to occupy my time as this R doesn't make photography fun for me at all.

Realy ? i have great fun using the Eos R.

maybe for me its easier to adapt to new innovations .

I didn't have to read the 6D manual. I picked it up and found everything pretty much where it was on the 60D. Simple.

I tried the same thing with the R, and I could actually take a picture. However, a lot was different in terms of button and dial placement and use, and a lot was new.

I ended up having to read the manual. After that, it was easy and fun to use. But it is a really new camera.

I don't shoot every day. I am not a speed shooter. Sometimes I take both cameras out for the sole purpose of taking pictures. Most of those times are real estate shoots, which take 30 minutes. Some are recreational shoots which last as long as the light, typically a couple of hours, or until I decide to do something else. But most of the time, I have something else to do while I'm taking pictures. If my life was more focused on photography, I might have a harder time adjusting.

You are right, but isn’t part off the fun
Learning new stuff?
I think the learning procces is fun too
--
light is the source of all life.....

It is for me, but I'm not under the pressure to crank out pictures every day that some are.

I'm still excited about opportunities to experiment with all the new features.

Ed Rizk wrote:

Rawpaul wrote:

Ed Rizk wrote:

Rawpaul wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I certainly agree with your last paragraph. I hope Canon really ups their game on the next R user interface. The R seems like it could be a very nice camera for me if it had more of a conventional control layout/user interface. Every time I have tried the R so far I have walked away quite frustrated. If this sort of ergonomics is the future of photography then I might have to find another activity to occupy my time as this R doesn't make photography fun for me at all.

Realy ? i have great fun using the Eos R.

maybe for me its easier to adapt to new innovations .

I didn't have to read the 6D manual. I picked it up and found everything pretty much where it was on the 60D. Simple.

I tried the same thing with the R, and I could actually take a picture. However, a lot was different in terms of button and dial placement and use, and a lot was new.

I ended up having to read the manual. After that, it was easy and fun to use. But it is a really new camera.

I don't shoot every day. I am not a speed shooter. Sometimes I take both cameras out for the sole purpose of taking pictures. Most of those times are real estate shoots, which take 30 minutes. Some are recreational shoots which last as long as the light, typically a couple of hours, or until I decide to do something else. But most of the time, I have something else to do while I'm taking pictures. If my life was more focused on photography, I might have a harder time adjusting.

You are right, but isn’t part off the fun
Learning new stuff?
I think the learning procces is fun too
--
light is the source of all life.....

It is for me, but I'm not under the pressure to crank out pictures every day that some are.

I'm still excited about opportunities to experiment with all the new features.

i am not a pro too ,but so are most on this forum.
If you are a pro, maybe the R is not for you.
Canon said it,s no pro camera
Just my opinion.

RTFM is soooooo overrated! 😀

Of course it might have helped me to read the manual to see if there was a setting I needed in order to use my Rokinon version of the Samyang.

quiquae wrote:

After a month of staring blankly at the sky asking myself whether I really wanted a full frame mirrorless, I decided this afternoon that I'd be more productive if I just bought one and stopped daydreaming about it. So here we go.

They had the camera and the 35mm lens in stock, but the lens hood was not! The bastards!

With the sun setting rather quickly, I had to go shoot without even bothering to read the manual, so this is not a review, just a first impression:

As much as I like the EF 35mm IS, I think I'm going to sell it now that I have the RF version. The bokeh seems very nice.

Is it really the case that there is no magnification focus support for unchipped manual lenses? This shot with the Samyang 14mm F2.8 was a royal pain in the butt!

APS-C crop seems OK, to the extent that a 13Mpx crop is OK, but dusk was not a very good time to test it, since the noise level when cropped feels like a 13Mpx APS-C camera, too. (In retrospect, this should not surprise anyone.) I'll have to try this again some other time.

One thing is for sure, this is not something you can just pick up and expect to be an expert at in five minutes just because you have experience with an older Canon camera. You actually have to sit down with the manual and try to make sense out of it.

Congrats and lovely photos. I don't have an EOS R but focus peaking should be activated for manual focusing. That makes it very quick and easy.

Greg.

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I certainly agree with your last paragraph. I hope Canon really ups their game on the next R user interface. The R seems like it could be a very nice camera for me if it had more of a conventional control layout/user interface. Every time I have tried the R so far I have walked away quite frustrated. If this sort of ergonomics is the future of photography then I might have to find another activity to occupy my time as this R doesn't make photography fun for me at all.

Aw c'mon don't be like that! Are you sure its just not the process of becoming familiar with something new? That can be offputting.

Greg.

Thanks. Having had some experience with EOS M5, I did know enough to turn on focus peaking; the problem with the Samyang 14mm is that the DOF is so deep that pretty much the entire screen turns red. I’ll have to try again next weekend with other MF lenses I own.