Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

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iano Senior Member • Posts: 1,768
Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

Terrible Photographer wrote:

Danny Yee wrote:

I think the reason there's so little discussion here is that the lens is expensive enough to deter most potential users. Where I am, in the UK, I'm looking at £1200 or so for the 50-200mm f/2.8-4, versus £730 for the 40-150 f/2.8. I really want the 50-200, largely because it's lighter and smaller, but it seems over-priced.

Danny.

That's because it is overpriced.

$1,700 for a variable aperture zoom? I don't know what they're smoking over there in the Panasonic camp. That lens should be under $1,000

Prices I am seeing in $A with taxes are 1500 for the 40-150 and best price 1800 for the 50-200.   That puts both around the US$1000 mark.

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Danny Yee Senior Member • Posts: 1,276
Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

iano wrote:

Prices I am seeing in $A with taxes are 1500 for the 40-150 and best price 1800 for the 50-200. That puts both around the US$1000 mark.

That's not such a mad difference as in the UK!  But where can I get the 50-200 for AUD 1800?  I'm not seeing anything much under $2000.
Also, can someone tell me what the 40-150 weight is without the tripod foot/collar?

Danny.

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Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???
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Danny Yee wrote:

Also, can someone tell me what the 40-150 weight is without the tripod foot/collar?

Danny.

I see two weights listed: 880 g and 760 g, so will presume those are the weights with and without the collar.

Terrific lens, perhaps my most-used and certainly a favorite.

Cheers,

Rick

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iano Senior Member • Posts: 1,768
Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???
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Danny Yee wrote:

iano wrote:

Prices I am seeing in $A with taxes are 1500 for the 40-150 and best price 1800 for the 50-200. That puts both around the US$1000 mark.

That's not such a mad difference as in the UK! But where can I get the 50-200 for AUD 1800? I'm not seeing anything much under $2000.

Yes is generally around $2000, but with cash back offers common.  DIgidirect currently has it at $2048, but with $300 cash back.  Ryda is usually slightly lower priced, but is not showing cash back right now.

Also, can someone tell me what the 40-150 weight is without the tripod foot/collar?

Danny.

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opiecat Senior Member • Posts: 2,392
Re: Actual reply about Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0

iano wrote:

I have the 50-200mm, and use it with the G9. First thing is the previously I was using the panasonic 100-300 for longer end of the zoom range, and I was getting something like 1/30 decent BIF shots....basically useless. With the 50-200mm the AF speed in the same situation seems like more than 10x faster. Where the 100-300 would seem to take even over 1 second, with the 50-200 it is basically instant. The end result is the keeper ratio for moving subjects is almost 100% (not counting when I miss the framing ).

A pro review should be better than mine for IQ, but if there is anything I can add I will see what I can do. This is the m43 best lens I have used. I have used the 100-400 but not long term. I have not used the Oly 40-150 though.

just curious - which 100-300 did you use ver 1 or ver 2?  ihave the 100-300 v2 and was

planning on getting the 50-200 but was wondering how much faster that PL's AF motor is vs the 100-300 v2.

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iano Senior Member • Posts: 1,768
Re: Actual reply about Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0
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opiecat wrote:

iano wrote:

I have the 50-200mm, and use it with the G9. First thing is the previously I was using the panasonic 100-300 for longer end of the zoom range, and I was getting something like 1/30 decent BIF shots....basically useless. With the 50-200mm the AF speed in the same situation seems like more than 10x faster. Where the 100-300 would seem to take even over 1 second, with the 50-200 it is basically instant. The end result is the keeper ratio for moving subjects is almost 100% (not counting when I miss the framing ).

A pro review should be better than mine for IQ, but if there is anything I can add I will see what I can do. This is the m43 best lens I have used. I have used the 100-400 but not long term. I have not used the Oly 40-150 though.

just curious - which 100-300 did you use ver 1 or ver 2? ihave the 100-300 v2 and was

I own the 100-300 v1. But I have a friend with the mkII and he also tried the comparison. In his words, the the 100-300 ver1 is like a bicycle and the ver2 is a better bicycle, but the 50-200 is a Ferrari, which makes the difference between the two significantly different bicycles seem trivial.

We could see the difference between the two 100-300 lenses. But you had to think about it. Sometimes the difference, if any, seemed inconsequential. But between either lens and the 50-200, it was night and day. Relative to the 50-200, the two 100-300 are in the same bracket as far as AF goes. Different IS and weather sealing do further differentiate the two 100-300 lenses.

So could be .5s down from .6s or even .2s down from .25s times for 100-300s..... same tests 50-200 seems like 0.05s or less

planning on getting the 50-200 but was wondering how much faster that PL's AF motor is vs the 100-300 v2.

In practice, is seems like more than 10x in many situations. In situations where you can watch the 100-300 obtain focus, the 50-200 is just instant.

So is this real?  Is my memory exaggerating these tests?  I even questioned myself that it could be so different.  I just grabbed the 10-60 PanaLeica for a quick comparison at around 60mm.  Was there a difference focusing and infinity then at something at around 1 meter?   OH YES!.  The 10-60 may be a Leica, but it can still hunt for a fraction of a second. You can see it focus.  On the same test the 50-500 is just instant. That tiny 'beep' is just instant (and with the g9 I accidentally took a photo in one test because it was ready so instantly).

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paul cool
paul cool Senior Member • Posts: 2,386
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Terrible Photographer wrote:

The 40-150 PRO is optically a way better lens than the 50-200 2.8-4. On top of that if you use the 1.4TC, you’re effectively at the same FOV.

It seems kind of rediculous to spend $2000 on the 50-200 and Pana TC when your 70-300 is probably optically equal to that combination..

not with the t/c on the 40-150mm the pl 50-200mm knocks it some

https://www.lenstip.com/533.4-Lens_review-Panasonic_Leica_DG_Vario-Elmarit_50-200_mm_f_2.8-4_ASPH._Image_resolution.html

https://www.lenstip.com/479.4-Lens_review-Olympus_M.Zuiko_Digital_40-150_mm_f_2.8_ED_PRO_Image_resolution.html

and equals it with out t/c if you did not own the 40-150mm the pl 50-200mm is the better choice also combines with t/c to give a 560 fov

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opiecat Senior Member • Posts: 2,392
Re: Actual reply about Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0

iano wrote:

opiecat wrote:

iano wrote:

I have the 50-200mm, and use it with the G9. First thing is the previously I was using the panasonic 100-300 for longer end of the zoom range, and I was getting something like 1/30 decent BIF shots....basically useless. With the 50-200mm the AF speed in the same situation seems like more than 10x faster. Where the 100-300 would seem to take even over 1 second, with the 50-200 it is basically instant. The end result is the keeper ratio for moving subjects is almost 100% (not counting when I miss the framing ).

A pro review should be better than mine for IQ, but if there is anything I can add I will see what I can do. This is the m43 best lens I have used. I have used the 100-400 but not long term. I have not used the Oly 40-150 though.

just curious - which 100-300 did you use ver 1 or ver 2? ihave the 100-300 v2 and was

I own the 100-300 v1. But I have a friend with the mkII and he also tried the comparison. In his words, the the 100-300 ver1 is like a bicycle and the ver2 is a better bicycle, but the 50-200 is a Ferrari, which makes the difference between the two significantly different bicycles seem trivial.

We could see the difference between the two 100-300 lenses. But you had to think about it. Sometimes the difference, if any, seemed inconsequential. But between either lens and the 50-200, it was night and day. Relative to the 50-200, the two 100-300 are in the same bracket as far as AF goes. Different IS and weather sealing do further differentiate the two 100-300 lenses.

So could be .5s down from .6s or even .2s down from .25s times for 100-300s..... same tests 50-200 seems like 0.05s or less

planning on getting the 50-200 but was wondering how much faster that PL's AF motor is vs the 100-300 v2.

In practice, is seems like more than 10x in many situations. In situations where you can watch the 100-300 obtain focus, the 50-200 is just instant.

So is this real? Is my memory exaggerating these tests? I even questioned myself that it could be so different. I just grabbed the 10-60 PanaLeica for a quick comparison at around 60mm. Was there a difference focusing and infinity then at something at around 1 meter? OH YES!. The 10-60 may be a Leica, but it can still hunt for a fraction of a second. You can see it focus. On the same test the 50-500 is just instant. That tiny 'beep' is just instant (and with the g9 I accidentally took a photo in one test because it was ready so instantly).

thank you for your input.  it's good to know that the AF motors of the 50-200 is indeed faster.  i don't have a G9, but have a G85, so it may not be as fast, but the 50-200 should be faster still than then 100-300.

now if panny would just get that price down a few hundred

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danieljcox
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Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Although I own and use Olympus 40-150/2,8 PRO lens, there are situations this lens is short, otherway Olympus 300/4 PRO is prime and all the time I am missing something "between".....

Long awaited Panasonic 50-200 is on the market, also some reviews on the web, but hard to listen here about it. What is the reason ? Is the IQ poor for BIF, or is it too expensive ? There is advance in size and weight and mostly also in excellent converters 1,4 and 2x by Panasonic.

I am looking for some solutions up 40-150 mm for birding (papuchalk, humingbirds) with better IQ, the discused next Oly 150-400 hard to think if it will be or not....

Is here in this forum some owner using this lens for birding or wildlife photography with good experience ? I have a chance purchase this lens for slightly better price 1.333 €.

The new Leica 50-200mm is a superb lens and equally so with the 1.4X teleconverter. That said, so is the lens you currently have the Olympus 40-150mm. I'm really enjoying the smaller size and weight of the Leica but miss the constant F/2.8 aperture.

Verreaux's sifaka portrait show with the Leica 50-200mm. Notice the tiny, minuscule ticks on the edges of his left eye. I didn't even notice them until I got the image on my computer and enlarged it to 100%

One of the advantages of the Leica if you're shooting a Lumix body like the G9 is the benefit of Dual IS. Pros and cons to each one. If I were shooting Olympus I would probably stick with what you have.

A tomato frog shot with the Leica 50-200mm wide open

Since I'm thrilled with the G9 the new Leica 50-200mm makes for a great combination. If you're interested I posted a gallery of images from my recent trip to Madagascar that I shot with the Leica 50-200mm, one with the 1.4X teleconverter. I also have a review of the Leica 50-200mm and the Leica 200mm on my Blog.

Both lenses you're discussing are truly fantastic optics and we're very lucky to have them as options. It's amazing the depth of lenses we have due to the Lumix/Olympus cooperative effort.

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