Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

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Pavel Jelinek Forum Member • Posts: 68
Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

Although I own and use Olympus 40-150/2,8 PRO lens, there are situations this lens is short, otherway Olympus 300/4 PRO is prime and all the time I am missing something "between".....

Long awaited Panasonic 50-200 is on the market, also some reviews on the web, but hard to listen here about it. What is the reason ? Is the IQ poor for BIF, or is it too expensive ? There is advance in size and weight and mostly also in excellent converters 1,4 and 2x by Panasonic.

I am looking for some solutions up 40-150 mm for birding (papuchalk, humingbirds) with better IQ, the discused next Oly 150-400 hard to think if it will be or not....

Is here in this forum some owner using this lens for birding or wildlife photography with good experience ? I have a chance purchase this lens for slightly better price 1.333 €.

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I'm just thinking if you already have the Oly 40-150, the Pana 50-200 doesn't really bring you much closer? Especially since you have the 300mm?

Just thought you may want to consider the Pana Leica 100-400. It's brings you much further than you 40-150, and is a zoom which can bring you down to 100m if you need it, and should cost around the same or less than the 50-200.

Some shots I recently took at a nature reserve with the 100-400mm:

https://microfourthirdssite.wordpress.com/2018/10/26/whats-in-my-camera-bag-micro-four-thirds-sungei-buloh-wetland-reserve-edition/

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C Sean Senior Member • Posts: 2,042
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Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Although I own and use Olympus 40-150/2,8 PRO lens, there are situations this lens is short, otherway Olympus 300/4 PRO is prime and all the time I am missing something "between".....

Long awaited Panasonic 50-200 is on the market, also some reviews on the web, but hard to listen here about it. What is the reason ? Is the IQ poor for BIF, or is it too expensive ? There is advance in size and weight and mostly also in excellent converters 1,4 and 2x by Panasonic.

I am looking for some solutions up 40-150 mm for birding (papuchalk, humingbirds) with better IQ, the discused next Oly 150-400 hard to think if it will be or not....

Is here in this forum some owner using this lens for birding or wildlife photography with good experience ? I have a chance purchase this lens for slightly better price 1.333 €.

I'm currently going through my South Africa's images and once done I will do a comparison thread between the 50-200 and the 100-400. So my question is what do you want to know?

gnik1 Regular Member • Posts: 151
Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

C Sean wrote:

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Although I own and use Olympus 40-150/2,8 PRO lens, there are situations this lens is short, otherway Olympus 300/4 PRO is prime and all the time I am missing something "between".....

Long awaited Panasonic 50-200 is on the market, also some reviews on the web, but hard to listen here about it. What is the reason ? Is the IQ poor for BIF, or is it too expensive ? There is advance in size and weight and mostly also in excellent converters 1,4 and 2x by Panasonic.

I am looking for some solutions up 40-150 mm for birding (papuchalk, humingbirds) with better IQ, the discused next Oly 150-400 hard to think if it will be or not....

Is here in this forum some owner using this lens for birding or wildlife photography with good experience ? I have a chance purchase this lens for slightly better price 1.333 €.

I'm currently going through my South Africa's images and once done I will do a comparison thread between the 50-200 and the 100-400. So my question is what do you want to know?

I'm looking forward to this having just got back from Kruger NP using a 100-300 ii while wishing I had something shorter & faster at times.

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gccg88 New Member • Posts: 21
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Considering the lenses you own, I would rather go for a second body. There isn't the one lens where you never have the craving for more (or less) reach.

I would mount the 40-150 (maybe with the 1.4 TC depending on the situation) on the first body and the 300 on the second. Then you can switch between those focal lengths without the hassle of changing lenses.

For wildlife I do the same, although I use the 100-400 on the second body, because I don't own the 300 (yet )

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Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 19,591
Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

gnik1 wrote:

C Sean wrote:

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Although I own and use Olympus 40-150/2,8 PRO lens, there are situations this lens is short, otherway Olympus 300/4 PRO is prime and all the time I am missing something "between".....

Long awaited Panasonic 50-200 is on the market, also some reviews on the web, but hard to listen here about it. What is the reason ? Is the IQ poor for BIF, or is it too expensive ? There is advance in size and weight and mostly also in excellent converters 1,4 and 2x by Panasonic.

I am looking for some solutions up 40-150 mm for birding (papuchalk, humingbirds) with better IQ, the discused next Oly 150-400 hard to think if it will be or not....

Is here in this forum some owner using this lens for birding or wildlife photography with good experience ? I have a chance purchase this lens for slightly better price 1.333 €.

I'm currently going through my South Africa's images and once done I will do a comparison thread between the 50-200 and the 100-400. So my question is what do you want to know?

I'm looking forward to this having just got back from Kruger NP using a 100-300 ii while wishing I had something shorter & faster at times.

I was in Kruger in August with family and I shared a 40-150mm f/2.8 and a 100-400mm with a nephew shooting with an E-M1.1 and an E-M1.2.  I also took a 1.4x TC for the 40-150mm but never used it.  We had 7 days self drive based on the Kruger main camps then 3 days in a private camp in the Manyeleti reserve.

For the self drive the 100-400mm was definitely the best lens, especially for birds, but we didn't have many low light situations.

For the private camp game drives we both preferred shooting with the 40-150mm f/2.8 because everything was much closer and the f/2.8 just gave more shutter speed flexibility as the light decreased.  You can't shoot many birds, though, with the 40-150mm.

Mr recommendation to the OP is the same as TheDream168 - if you already have the 40-150mm f/2.8 then there isn't a lot of point in getting the 50-200mm.  Get the 100-400mm instead.

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OP Pavel Jelinek Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

Thanks to all respodents. This my question is about real experience with Panaleica 50-200.

I was trying to explain Oly 40-150/2,8 is short for me, incl 1,4x. 300/4 Pro is prime lens, I need flexibility of zoom, for birding. Panaleica 100-400 ??? I need not up 300 mm.

I asked if here is some with real experience with 50-200. I do not plan sadari to Africa, this is not my target nor dream.....

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drj3 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,064
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I used the Olympus 50-200 SWD for 6 years as my primary birding lens.  I never removed the EC14 from the lens for birds and at least 99% were taken at the maximum 283mm.  I got 300mm f4 for the longer focal length (as well as sharpness and wider aperture).  Since I got that lens, I have almost never found it too long for any wild bird and generally keep the MC14 on the lens for the 420mm focal length.

For hummingbirds (from your post), I do generally use the 300mm without the MC14, because I prefer the feather rendering for those birds without the TC and it enables me to include more of the environment around the bird.  However, even with hummingbirds, I use the MC14 when I want to fill the frame with the bird.  The 50-200 would definitely be too short for anything other than a feeder shot.   See below for 300mm & 420 focal length.

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C Sean Senior Member • Posts: 2,042
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Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Thanks to all respodents. This my question is about real experience with Panaleica 50-200.

I was trying to explain Oly 40-150/2,8 is short for me, incl 1,4x. 300/4 Pro is prime lens, I need flexibility of zoom, for birding. Panaleica 100-400 ??? I need not up 300 mm.

With the 1.4 teleconverter, the Olympus 40-150mm will have roughly the same maximum focal length as the 50-200mm 2.8-4. So why do you need the 50-200 other than having a more compact lens and the Leica style thin depth of field?

Your best option is the Panasonic 100-400 followed by either the 75-300 or the 100-300. Also if you're willing to spend big bucks, I would recommend you to wait for Olympus announcement for their new OMD camera because they might announce their pro long telephoto zoom as well.

I asked if here is some with real experience with 50-200. I do not plan sadari to Africa, this is not my target nor dream.....

In my opinion taking the 50-200 to South Africa is real experience.

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Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

C Sean wrote:

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Thanks to all respodents. This my question is about real experience with Panaleica 50-200.

I was trying to explain Oly 40-150/2,8 is short for me, incl 1,4x. 300/4 Pro is prime lens, I need flexibility of zoom, for birding. Panaleica 100-400 ??? I need not up 300 mm.

With the 1.4 teleconverter, the Olympus 40-150mm will have roughly the same maximum focal length as the 50-200mm 2.8-4. So why do you need the 50-200 other than having a more compact lens and the Leica style thin depth of field?

Your best option is the Panasonic 100-400 followed by either the 75-300 or the 100-300. Also if you're willing to spend big bucks, I would recommend you to wait for Olympus announcement for their new OMD camera because they might announce their pro long telephoto zoom as well.

I asked if here is some with real experience with 50-200. I do not plan sadari to Africa, this is not my target nor dream.....

In my opinion taking the 50-200 to South Africa is real experience.

Yes, you are right : Oly 40-150/2,8 Pro + 1,4x = 56 - 210/ f4, OK

BUT 50-200 + 1,4 = 70-280 mm.

Honestly, I asked about experience with 50-200, and got advice to buy 100-400, which in many other discusion is described as not too good.

My tatget is light equipment, I do not plan second body or new one which will be much better. I own E-M1 II and after last firmware it is wonderfull. Also I use Oly 75-300 which is excellent, small but very light. My target is submintt this last one with better one, if it exist, this is why ask for experience with 50-200, with 1,4x I will get 50-280 mm which is suitable for me.

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C Sean Senior Member • Posts: 2,042
Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

C Sean wrote:

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Thanks to all respodents. This my question is about real experience with Panaleica 50-200.

I was trying to explain Oly 40-150/2,8 is short for me, incl 1,4x. 300/4 Pro is prime lens, I need flexibility of zoom, for birding. Panaleica 100-400 ??? I need not up 300 mm.

With the 1.4 teleconverter, the Olympus 40-150mm will have roughly the same maximum focal length as the 50-200mm 2.8-4. So why do you need the 50-200 other than having a more compact lens and the Leica style thin depth of field?

Your best option is the Panasonic 100-400 followed by either the 75-300 or the 100-300. Also if you're willing to spend big bucks, I would recommend you to wait for Olympus announcement for their new OMD camera because they might announce their pro long telephoto zoom as well.

I asked if here is some with real experience with 50-200. I do not plan sadari to Africa, this is not my target nor dream.....

In my opinion taking the 50-200 to South Africa is real experience.

Yes, you are right : Oly 40-150/2,8 Pro + 1,4x = 56 - 210/ f4, OK

BUT 50-200 + 1,4 = 70-280 mm.

Honestly, I asked about experience with 50-200, and got advice to buy 100-400, which in many other discusion is described as not too good.

You asked for my experience and I gave it to you! You didn't ask for any experience with the teleconverter and that's your fault not mine. If you come to this forum for advice, I suggest you clearly type out your question which save members second guessing or have to put up with mood swings.

My tatget is light equipment, I do not plan second body or new one which will be much better. I own E-M1 II and after last firmware it is wonderfull. Also I use Oly 75-300 which is excellent, small but very light. My target is submintt this last one with better one, if it exist, this is why ask for experience with 50-200, with 1,4x I will get 50-280 mm which is suitable for me.

Sorry I can't help you. I use my 100-400 for birding and I don't own the teleconverter. See my future topic 50-200 vs 100-400 for details.

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Just get the 1.4TC

The 40-150 PRO is optically a way better lens than the 50-200 2.8-4. On top of that if you use the 1.4TC, you’re effectively at the same FOV.

It seems kind of rediculous to spend $2000 on the 50-200 and Pana TC when your 70-300 is probably optically equal to that combination..

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 16,166
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gccg88 wrote:

Considering the lenses you own, I would rather go for a second body. There isn't the one lens where you never have the craving for more (or less) reach.

I would mount the 40-150 (maybe with the 1.4 TC depending on the situation) on the first body and the 300 on the second. Then you can switch between those focal lengths without the hassle of changing lenses.

For wildlife I do the same, although I use the 100-400 on the second body, because I don't own the 300 (yet )

This is what I did, exactly. I found (for field sports) that no single camera-lens combo was as good as two: one with a mid-range tele zoom and the second with a long, fast-as-possible tele prime. I say that as one who began with the ED50-200+EC14 and progressed from there.

I lack a link to it but somebody did an excellent review incorporating the new 50-200, the 40-150 Pro, the G9 and E-M1ii. Maybe someone can resurrect the link, it's a worthwhile read.

From what I've seen the new 50-200 is quite good, if expensive, and the 1.4 TC is hard to find and IMHO overpriced. The 200/2.8 is worth a look and it comes bundled with the 1.4 TC. If I didn't own the 300 Pro I'd give that a look.

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drj3 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,064
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Pavel Jelinek wrote:

C Sean wrote:

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Thanks to all respodents. This my question is about real experience with Panaleica 50-200.

I was trying to explain Oly 40-150/2,8 is short for me, incl 1,4x. 300/4 Pro is prime lens, I need flexibility of zoom, for birding. Panaleica 100-400 ??? I need not up 300 mm.

With the 1.4 teleconverter, the Olympus 40-150mm will have roughly the same maximum focal length as the 50-200mm 2.8-4. So why do you need the 50-200 other than having a more compact lens and the Leica style thin depth of field?

Your best option is the Panasonic 100-400 followed by either the 75-300 or the 100-300. Also if you're willing to spend big bucks, I would recommend you to wait for Olympus announcement for their new OMD camera because they might announce their pro long telephoto zoom as well.

I asked if here is some with real experience with 50-200. I do not plan sadari to Africa, this is not my target nor dream.....

In my opinion taking the 50-200 to South Africa is real experience.

Yes, you are right : Oly 40-150/2,8 Pro + 1,4x = 56 - 210/ f4, OK

BUT 50-200 + 1,4 = 70-280 mm.

Honestly, I asked about experience with 50-200, and got advice to buy 100-400, which in many other discusion is described as not too good.

My tatget is light equipment, I do not plan second body or new one which will be much better. I own E-M1 II and after last firmware it is wonderfull. Also I use Oly 75-300 which is excellent, small but very light. My target is submintt this last one with better one, if it exist, this is why ask for experience with 50-200, with 1,4x I will get 50-280 mm which is suitable for me.

One of the better comparisons of the Olympus 40-150 f2.8 and the Panasonic 50-200 f2.8-4...

https://www.cameralabs.com/panasonic-leica-dg-50-200mm-f2-8-4-h-es50200-review/

With the TC you will get a 70-280mm f4-5.6 lens with reduced resolution because of the 1.4 magnification of the image. This still may be better than a crop of the lens without the TC and better than the Panasonic 100-300mm f4-5.6, but with no noise or shutter speed advantage.

I find the Olympus 50-200 SWD f2.8-3.5 and the 300mm f4 to both be somewhat better with the TCs than an image crop, but the difference is not that great.  Given the price of the Panasonic TC, I would probably crop instead.

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Re: Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm F2.8-4.0 ???

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

C Sean wrote:

Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Thanks to all respodents. This my question is about real experience with Panaleica 50-200.

I was trying to explain Oly 40-150/2,8 is short for me, incl 1,4x. 300/4 Pro is prime lens, I need flexibility of zoom, for birding. Panaleica 100-400 ??? I need not up 300 mm.

With the 1.4 teleconverter, the Olympus 40-150mm will have roughly the same maximum focal length as the 50-200mm 2.8-4. So why do you need the 50-200 other than having a more compact lens and the Leica style thin depth of field?

Your best option is the Panasonic 100-400 followed by either the 75-300 or the 100-300. Also if you're willing to spend big bucks, I would recommend you to wait for Olympus announcement for their new OMD camera because they might announce their pro long telephoto zoom as well.

I asked if here is some with real experience with 50-200. I do not plan sadari to Africa, this is not my target nor dream.....

In my opinion taking the 50-200 to South Africa is real experience.

Yes, you are right : Oly 40-150/2,8 Pro + 1,4x = 56 - 210/ f4, OK

BUT 50-200 + 1,4 = 70-280 mm.

Honestly, I asked about experience with 50-200, and got advice to buy 100-400, which in many other discusion is described as not too good.

My tatget is light equipment, I do not plan second body or new one which will be much better. I own E-M1 II and after last firmware it is wonderfull. Also I use Oly 75-300 which is excellent, small but very light. My target is submintt this last one with better one, if it exist, this is why ask for experience with 50-200, with 1,4x I will get 50-280 mm which is suitable for me.

https://www.cameralabs.com/panasonic-leica-dg-50-200mm-f2-8-4-h-es50200-review/

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Don't buy anything yet!

Hold off until 2019 for the Oly telezoom (rumored 150-400).

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I think the reason there's so little discussion here is that the lens is expensive enough to deter most potential users.  Where I am, in the UK, I'm looking at £1200 or so for the 50-200mm f/2.8-4, versus £730 for the 40-150 f/2.8.  I really want the 50-200, largely because it's lighter and smaller, but it seems over-priced.

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Danny Yee wrote:

I think the reason there's so little discussion here is that the lens is expensive enough to deter most potential users. Where I am, in the UK, I'm looking at £1200 or so for the 50-200mm f/2.8-4, versus £730 for the 40-150 f/2.8. I really want the 50-200, largely because it's lighter and smaller, but it seems over-priced.

Danny.

That's because it is overpriced.

$1,700 for a variable aperture zoom? I don't know what they're smoking over there in the Panasonic camp. That lens should be under $1,000

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wish I had the money

I don't have the money for this lens,

I have another system to get these shots and did

get a 75-300 4/3 lens

Hope you get your answer.

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Pavel Jelinek wrote:

Although I own and use Olympus 40-150/2,8 PRO lens, there are situations this lens is short, otherway Olympus 300/4 PRO is prime and all the time I am missing something "between".....

Long awaited Panasonic 50-200 is on the market, also some reviews on the web, but hard to listen here about it. What is the reason ? Is the IQ poor for BIF, or is it too expensive ? There is advance in size and weight and mostly also in excellent converters 1,4 and 2x by Panasonic.

I am looking for some solutions up 40-150 mm for birding (papuchalk, humingbirds) with better IQ, the discused next Oly 150-400 hard to think if it will be or not....

Is here in this forum some owner using this lens for birding or wildlife photography with good experience ? I have a chance purchase this lens for slightly better price 1.333 €.

I have the 50-200mm, and use it with the G9.  First thing is the previously I was using the panasonic 100-300 for longer end of the zoom range, and I was getting something like 1/30 decent BIF shots....basically useless.  With the 50-200mm the AF speed in the same situation seems like more than 10x faster.  Where the 100-300 would seem to take even over 1 second, with the 50-200 it is basically instant.  The end result is the keeper ratio for moving subjects is almost 100% (not counting when I miss the framing ).

A pro review should be better than mine for IQ, but if there is anything I can add I will see what I can do.  This is the m43 best lens I have used.  I have used the 100-400 but not long term.  I have not used the Oly 40-150 though.

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