Fuji instead of Sony?

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Zefah Regular Member • Posts: 330
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

I have to second your assessment of Sony cameras. I'm sure some people have experienced lock ups, but having used an A7R II for a year and now an A9 for a year and having shot well over 100,000 photos and recorded hours of video across the two, I can report that I have never had a lock up or issue with the hardware.

They aren't the fastest cameras to boot up, and the interface can lag slightly at times, but I've never had any lock up issues.

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TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?

shakenmartini wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

Mostly because Sony only recently released a 400 mm f/2.8 (sports), the A9 is still relatively new, and Sony’s Pro services are significantly lacking compared to those from Canon and Nikon. Also, most pros that shoot for the services don’t own their gear, their employers do. Lots of inertia of expensive gear libraries that won’t be replaced soon or easily by the new kid on the block, no matter the advantages.

Or until the major disadvantages are rectified

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TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?

Zefah wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

I have to second your assessment of Sony cameras. I'm sure some people have experienced lock ups, but having used an A7R II for a year and now an A9 for a year and having shot well over 100,000 photos and recorded hours of video across the two, I can report that I have never had a lock up or issue with the hardware.

They aren't the fastest cameras to boot up, and the interface can lag slightly at times, but I've never had any lock up issues.

Nice to hear about the no lock ups

A pro measures shooting speed as the time taken from image opportunity (conceptualisation) to image exposed correctly. It includes boot and lag time.

There is a reason the 1Dxiv and the D5 are so big and heavy so are the main pro lenses

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PWPhotography Senior Member • Posts: 7,404
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades.  Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices.   I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML.  The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system.  All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No.  Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed?  Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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PWPhotography Senior Member • Posts: 7,404
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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TQGroup wrote:

Zefah wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

I have to second your assessment of Sony cameras. I'm sure some people have experienced lock ups, but having used an A7R II for a year and now an A9 for a year and having shot well over 100,000 photos and recorded hours of video across the two, I can report that I have never had a lock up or issue with the hardware.

They aren't the fastest cameras to boot up, and the interface can lag slightly at times, but I've never had any lock up issues.

Nice to hear about the no lock ups

Seriously why you keep trolling here? I virtually never heard any Sony A7-series and A9 lockup issue, so please not apply other brands' lockup issue to Sony. Otherwise if you search you also will find 1Dx II and D5 lockup claim by a few.

A pro measures shooting speed as the time taken from image opportunity (conceptualisation) to image exposed correctly. It includes boot and lag time.

A9 AF is very fast, faster than 1Dx II and D5. It's not new that ML gains AF lock faster than DSLR, already years ago. Sure A9 takes longer to power on but sport and wildlife photos usually leave their cameras on most times. Otherwise no noticeable lag in A9 if you ever tried. 20fps A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments that otherwise will miss with 12fps D5 and 14fps 1Ds II.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums/72157697486950524

I took two airshow events in last few months with A9+FE 100-400 GM, super AF lock speed and accuracy, virtually 100% hit rate.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Um-6hojUBOJK2srLSuL1cMeDq1Kib0U6

7 GIFs from consecutive burst shots under 10fps on the Blue Angels with A9, every shot is tack sharp. I took 17,280+ RAW files in the last airshow and 2nd battery was still 32% left from the vertical power grip.

There is a reason the 1Dxiv and the D5 are so big and heavy so are the main pro lenses

Thanks A9 doesn't have brick size/weight of 1Dx II and D5, therefore I can carry into even vacation trips. Virtually no D5 and 1Dx II owners want to carry bricks into Alps hiking and entire day city walking, no mention they don't even have any IQ advantages.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums/72157673028902128

A9 effectively replaced A7 II now is my 2nd cameras into any trips even regular vacation trips, virtually no D5 and 1Dx II owners would do the same

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TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100  time.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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PWPhotography Senior Member • Posts: 7,404
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.  A9's complete silent shutter allows you to shoot at scenes that noisy shutter is prohibited from 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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MILC man Senior Member • Posts: 3,028
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

just curious what actual experience you have with shooting sports? given that you are a nobody out here, and both your gallery and challenge profiles are blank... and with that zero sports background, you claim to be qualified to tell us what pros shoot with? lol, I think not.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

no, that's not how real sports af works.

the a9 can do up to 60 af/ae calcs a second, so it doesn't need to rely on prediction as much as dslrs do.

sony fe lenses are mostly all rated at 15-20fps on the a9, with constant af-c, which no ff dslr on the planet can match: http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/support/ilc/products/ilce9/continuousshooting/en/index.html?id=spt

and the a9 delivers that 15-20fps frame rate, while the d5/1dxmk2 can't match their advertised frame rates.

TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

I respect your experience as stated as well as your opinion.

I note that the vast majority of professionals also have experience and opinions and I value that too.

I tend to give more weight to what people actually do... and I see what equipment the pros are using. Not a lot of Sony gear out there yet. In time, who knows?

For me and my use cases, the DSLR is currently a better option in most cases. I am currently evaluating a MILC to complement/supplement my DSLRs for those cases where it may be superior. Hence my interest.

Nevertheless, the points I have made in my previous post are valid. One does not win races on purely acceleration alone. It is the total on the tape that counts. It is exactly the same in clutch situations to capture the precise moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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PWPhotography Senior Member • Posts: 7,404
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
2

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

I respect your experience as stated as well as your opinion.

I note that the vast majority of professionals also have experience and opinions and I value that too.

A9 and FE 400 GM are very new. Most of those pros have not experienced. I am not a sport or news PJ so their choices are not directly related to me anyway.

I tend to give more weight to what people actually do... and I see what equipment the pros are using. Not a lot of Sony gear out there yet. In time, who knows?

I first to check my needs in my usage areas and then refer to others' opinions and experiences related to my needs and shooting areas.

For me and my use cases, the DSLR is currently a better option in most cases. I am currently evaluating a MILC to complement/supplement my DSLRs for those cases where it may be superior. Hence my interest.

Sure we all have our different needs, different shooting areas and different priority. To me A7r III and A9 combo can compete to any FF DSLRs that I am very sure about. For example D5 maybe better in sport fields with busy background such as in basketball arena due to its well known 3D AF stickiness. But this is not my shooting area while A9 has excellent stickiness as well in isolated subjects that are my shooting areas in BIF or airshow etc. Then due to 20fps and much wider AF point coverage, I can see A9 will have an advantage in those areas. I didn't claim A9 is better in every area and in every application but certainly better in many other areas and applications. The point is A9 is better in my shooting area that only matters.

Nevertheless, the points I have made in my previous post are valid. One does not win races on purely acceleration alone. It is the total on the tape that counts. It is exactly the same in clutch situations to capture the precise moment.

Again to our respective shooting area and priority. To me A9 overall is better. Similarly to me A7r III is better than D850 and 5DsR/5D IV in my usage - IBIS, no MFA ever needed, EFC right in EVF that also much easier for MF, dual-gain ISO implementation, DR at ISO 100 that matches to ISO 64 from D850 and then better in all other ISOs, high ISO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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The Davinator
The Davinator Forum Pro • Posts: 22,077
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
4

MILC man wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

just curious what actual experience you have with shooting sports? given that you are a nobody out here, and both your gallery and challenge profiles are blank... and with that zero sports background, you claim to be qualified to tell us what pros shoot with? lol, I think not.

Speaking of nobodies with empty challenges and galleries...

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

no, that's not how real sports af works.

the a9 can do up to 60 af/ae calcs a second, so it doesn't need to rely on prediction as much as dslrs do.

And yet, the D5 is considered the best camera for AF and sports

sony fe lenses are mostly all rated at 15-20fps on the a9, with constant af-c, which no ff dslr on the planet can match: http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/support/ilc/products/ilce9/continuousshooting/en/index.html?id=spt

and the a9 delivers that 15-20fps frame rate, while the d5/1dxmk2 can't match their advertised frame rates.

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TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
2

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

I respect your experience as stated as well as your opinion.

I note that the vast majority of professionals also have experience and opinions and I value that too.

A9 and FE 400 GM are very new. Most of those pros have not experienced. I am not a sport or news PJ so their choices are not directly related to me anyway.

Whereas I use a D850 and a 400Fl...

I tend to give more weight to what people actually do... and I see what equipment the pros are using. Not a lot of Sony gear out there yet. In time, who knows?

I first to check my needs in my usage areas and then refer to others' opinions and experiences related to my needs and shooting areas.

Smart.

For me and my use cases, the DSLR is currently a better option in most cases. I am currently evaluating a MILC to complement/supplement my DSLRs for those cases where it may be superior. Hence my interest.

Sure we all have our different needs, different shooting areas and different priority. To me A7r III and A9 combo can compete to any FF DSLRs that I am very sure about.

Not yet for fast BIF tracking...

For example D5 maybe better in sport fields with busy background such as in basketball arena due to its well known 3D AF stickiness.

Right.

But this is not my shooting area while A9 has excellent stickiness as well in isolated subjects that are my shooting areas in BIF or airshow etc. Then due to 20fps and much wider AF point coverage, I can see A9 will have an advantage in those areas.

For yourself anyway.

I didn't claim A9 is better in every area and in every application but certainly better in many other areas and applications. The point is A9 is better in my shooting area that only matters.

Absolutely. Notice I never claim one camera is better than another for somebody else.

Nevertheless, the points I have made in my previous post are valid. One does not win races on purely acceleration alone. It is the total on the tape that counts. It is exactly the same in clutch situations to capture the precise moment.

Again to our respective shooting area and priority. To me A9 overall is better. Similarly to me A7r III is better than D850 and 5DsR/5D IV in my usage - IBIS, no MFA ever needed, EFC right in EVF that also much easier for MF, dual-gain ISO implementation, DR at ISO 100 that matches to ISO 64 from D850 and then better in all other ISOs, high ISO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
2

MILC man wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

just curious what actual experience you have with shooting sports? given that you are a nobody out here, and both your gallery and challenge profiles are blank... and with that zero sports background, you claim to be qualified to tell us what pros shoot with? lol, I think not.

I like being a nobody!

Perhaps my gear list will give a clue...

How did you decide I have a zero sports background?

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

no, that's not how real sports af works.

the a9 can do up to 60 af/ae calcs a second, so it doesn't need to rely on prediction as much as dslrs do.

sony fe lenses are mostly all rated at 15-20fps on the a9, with constant af-c, which no ff dslr on the planet can match: http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/support/ilc/products/ilce9/continuousshooting/en/index.html?id=spt

and the a9 delivers that 15-20fps frame rate, while the d5/1dxmk2 can't match their advertised frame rates.

See, it is down to published frame rates again.

I hope you don't mind me getting my information from real full-time professional sports shooters. Is that OK with you?

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PWPhotography Senior Member • Posts: 7,404
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
1

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

I respect your experience as stated as well as your opinion.

I note that the vast majority of professionals also have experience and opinions and I value that too.

A9 and FE 400 GM are very new. Most of those pros have not experienced. I am not a sport or news PJ so their choices are not directly related to me anyway.

Whereas I use a D850 and a 400Fl...

D850 is not at the level of D5 and certainly is not at level of A9 AF performance, burst rate and buffer depth.

I tend to give more weight to what people actually do... and I see what equipment the pros are using. Not a lot of Sony gear out there yet. In time, who knows?

I first to check my needs in my usage areas and then refer to others' opinions and experiences related to my needs and shooting areas.

Smart.

For me and my use cases, the DSLR is currently a better option in most cases. I am currently evaluating a MILC to complement/supplement my DSLRs for those cases where it may be superior. Hence my interest.

Sure we all have our different needs, different shooting areas and different priority. To me A7r III and A9 combo can compete to any FF DSLRs that I am very sure about.

Not yet for fast BIF tracking...

How you know? Have you tried? A9 AF point coverage and WIDE AF engine, 20fps definitely have an edge over D5 in this area, no mention D850.  12 fps and much narrower AF coverage of D5 will miss some critical moments.

For example D5 maybe better in sport fields with busy background such as in basketball arena due to its well known 3D AF stickiness.

Right.

I say may or that is not my shooting area anyway, doesn't matter.

But this is not my shooting area while A9 has excellent stickiness as well in isolated subjects that are my shooting areas in BIF or airshow etc. Then due to 20fps and much wider AF point coverage, I can see A9 will have an advantage in those areas.

For yourself anyway.

For all we have seen and all experienced. A9 does have an edge in those areas. Are you trying to claim D5 is better in every area and every application?

I didn't claim A9 is better in every area and in every application but certainly better in many other areas and applications. The point is A9 is better in my shooting area that only matters.

Absolutely. Notice I never claim one camera is better than another for somebody else.

So what you are arguing here if you are not sure about and not experienced with other cameras?

Nevertheless, the points I have made in my previous post are valid. One does not win races on purely acceleration alone. It is the total on the tape that counts. It is exactly the same in clutch situations to capture the precise moment.

Again to our respective shooting area and priority. To me A9 overall is better. Similarly to me A7r III is better than D850 and 5DsR/5D IV in my usage - IBIS, no MFA ever needed, EFC right in EVF that also much easier for MF, dual-gain ISO implementation, DR at ISO 100 that matches to ISO 64 from D850 and then better in all other ISOs, high ISO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Do you see above videos and pictures? Nobody can deny and not impressed, really.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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SafariBob
SafariBob Contributing Member • Posts: 632
If you shoot jpeg => Fuji , raw => sony
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It really isn’t very difficult. For pretty much any usage Sony >> Fuji. Only other reason to go Fuji is gfx

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TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
3

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

I respect your experience as stated as well as your opinion.

I note that the vast majority of professionals also have experience and opinions and I value that too.

A9 and FE 400 GM are very new. Most of those pros have not experienced. I am not a sport or news PJ so their choices are not directly related to me anyway.

Whereas I use a D850 and a 400Fl...

D850 is not at the level of D5 and certainly is not at level of A9 AF performance, burst rate and buffer depth.

D850 is different to D5 and A9.

I tend to give more weight to what people actually do... and I see what equipment the pros are using. Not a lot of Sony gear out there yet. In time, who knows?

I first to check my needs in my usage areas and then refer to others' opinions and experiences related to my needs and shooting areas.

Smart.

For me and my use cases, the DSLR is currently a better option in most cases. I am currently evaluating a MILC to complement/supplement my DSLRs for those cases where it may be superior. Hence my interest.

Sure we all have our different needs, different shooting areas and different priority. To me A7r III and A9 combo can compete to any FF DSLRs that I am very sure about.

Not yet for fast BIF tracking...

How you know? Have you tried? A9 AF point coverage and WIDE AF engine, 20fps definitely have an edge over D5 in this area, no mention D850. 12 fps and much narrower AF coverage of D5 will miss some critical moments.

3D tracking, Group AF and 45 MPX matter to me. 19.4 MPX in crop mode.

For example D5 maybe better in sport fields with busy background such as in basketball arena due to its well known 3D AF stickiness.

Right.

I say may or that is not my shooting area anyway, doesn't matter.

But this is not my shooting area while A9 has excellent stickiness as well in isolated subjects that are my shooting areas in BIF or airshow etc. Then due to 20fps and much wider AF point coverage, I can see A9 will have an advantage in those areas.

For yourself anyway.

For all we have seen and all experienced. A9 does have an edge in those areas. Are you trying to claim D5 is better in every area and every application?

I don't use a D5

I didn't claim A9 is better in every area and in every application but certainly better in many other areas and applications. The point is A9 is better in my shooting area that only matters.

Absolutely. Notice I never claim one camera is better than another for somebody else.

So what you are arguing here if you are not sure about and not experienced with other cameras?

I am actually not arguing anything

Nevertheless, the points I have made in my previous post are valid. One does not win races on purely acceleration alone. It is the total on the tape that counts. It is exactly the same in clutch situations to capture the precise moment.

Again to our respective shooting area and priority. To me A9 overall is better. Similarly to me A7r III is better than D850 and 5DsR/5D IV in my usage - IBIS, no MFA ever needed, EFC right in EVF that also much easier for MF, dual-gain ISO implementation, DR at ISO 100 that matches to ISO 64 from D850 and then better in all other ISOs, high ISO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Do you see above videos and pictures? Nobody can deny and not impressed, really.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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PWPhotography Senior Member • Posts: 7,404
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

I respect your experience as stated as well as your opinion.

I note that the vast majority of professionals also have experience and opinions and I value that too.

A9 and FE 400 GM are very new. Most of those pros have not experienced. I am not a sport or news PJ so their choices are not directly related to me anyway.

Whereas I use a D850 and a 400Fl...

D850 is not at the level of D5 and certainly is not at level of A9 AF performance, burst rate and buffer depth.

D850 is different to D5 and A9.

Certainly where meets A7r III.

I tend to give more weight to what people actually do... and I see what equipment the pros are using. Not a lot of Sony gear out there yet. In time, who knows?

I first to check my needs in my usage areas and then refer to others' opinions and experiences related to my needs and shooting areas.

Smart.

For me and my use cases, the DSLR is currently a better option in most cases. I am currently evaluating a MILC to complement/supplement my DSLRs for those cases where it may be superior. Hence my interest.

Sure we all have our different needs, different shooting areas and different priority. To me A7r III and A9 combo can compete to any FF DSLRs that I am very sure about.

Not yet for fast BIF tracking...

How you know? Have you tried? A9 AF point coverage and WIDE AF engine, 20fps definitely have an edge over D5 in this area, no mention D850. 12 fps and much narrower AF coverage of D5 will miss some critical moments.

3D tracking, Group AF and 45 MPX matter to me. 19.4 MPX in crop mode.

Just in different terms. Eye-AF, WIDE and so many other AF setting, 20fps, zone AF, 42mp that cropped to 17mp in APS-C, IBIS, dual-gain ISO implementation, EFC right in EVF so no need such MLU and no MFA ever needed = sharpest photos especially with fast lens wide open and hand-held.

For example D5 maybe better in sport fields with busy background such as in basketball arena due to its well known 3D AF stickiness.

Right.

I say may or that is not my shooting area anyway, doesn't matter.

But this is not my shooting area while A9 has excellent stickiness as well in isolated subjects that are my shooting areas in BIF or airshow etc. Then due to 20fps and much wider AF point coverage, I can see A9 will have an advantage in those areas.

For yourself anyway.

For all we have seen and all experienced. A9 does have an edge in those areas. Are you trying to claim D5 is better in every area and every application?

I don't use a D5

I use D5 direct competitor A9 and also A7r III that competes to D850 very well. Do I miss anything?

I didn't claim A9 is better in every area and in every application but certainly better in many other areas and applications. The point is A9 is better in my shooting area that only matters.

Absolutely. Notice I never claim one camera is better than another for somebody else.

So what you are arguing here if you are not sure about and not experienced with other cameras?

I am actually not arguing anything

You're arguing for Nikon that is nothing to do with this thread and this forum.

Nevertheless, the points I have made in my previous post are valid. One does not win races on purely acceleration alone. It is the total on the tape that counts. It is exactly the same in clutch situations to capture the precise moment.

Again to our respective shooting area and priority. To me A9 overall is better. Similarly to me A7r III is better than D850 and 5DsR/5D IV in my usage - IBIS, no MFA ever needed, EFC right in EVF that also much easier for MF, dual-gain ISO implementation, DR at ISO 100 that matches to ISO 64 from D850 and then better in all other ISOs, high ISO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Do you see above videos and pictures? Nobody can deny and not impressed, really.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

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MILC man Senior Member • Posts: 3,028
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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TQGroup wrote:

MILC man wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

just curious what actual experience you have with shooting sports? given that you are a nobody out here, and both your gallery and challenge profiles are blank... and with that zero sports background, you claim to be qualified to tell us what pros shoot with? lol, I think not.

I like being a nobody!

but you talk like you are somebody.

just with no gallery, no challenge pics, and never posting anything to back up your claims out here.

Perhaps my gear list will give a clue...

you mean the gear list that you never use to take sports pics with?

How did you decide I have a zero sports background?

see above...

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

no, that's not how real sports af works.

the a9 can do up to 60 af/ae calcs a second, so it doesn't need to rely on prediction as much as dslrs do.

sony fe lenses are mostly all rated at 15-20fps on the a9, with constant af-c, which no ff dslr on the planet can match: http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/support/ilc/products/ilce9/continuousshooting/en/index.html?id=spt

and the a9 delivers that 15-20fps frame rate, while the d5/1dxmk2 can't match their advertised frame rates.

See, it is down to published frame rates again.

no, it's down to accurate focusing with constant af-c.

something that the a9 does better than any dslr.

I hope you don't mind me getting my information from real full-time professional sports shooters. Is that OK with you?

what? isn't it you who is pretending to be the real sports shooter? trying to tell us how af works and all

TQGroup
TQGroup Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

TQGroup wrote:

PWPhotography wrote:

Joe Tam wrote:

I spoke to a Fuji and Canon owner. He said the same thing about the lockup on xt-2 and other weird anomolies. He said that as much as mirrorless has advantages he still prefers DSLR because it just works when you need it to. no quirks or lockups and you can leave the camera on for hours/days. i miss the leica for street shooting as its is small, light, quiet, and doesn't need to bootup.

I have owned A7r, A7 II, A7r II, A7r III and A9, none of them ever locked up, not even single time. No quirks. A9 shoots faster than D5 and 1Dx II, A7r III faster than 5D IV and 5DsR and A7 III beats 6D II and D750. Not all ML are the same, just as not all DSLRs are the same ML is replacing DSLR. A9 shoots 20fps with no-blackout EVF that are both faster and better than D5 and 1Dx II burst and still-blackout OVF.

Pardon my ignorance but if your assertions are correct, why do I not see any Sony cameras being used by pros at sports events, news events, etc. Surely all these experienced pros must of heard about Sony by now...

There are some now but not many, simply because there are many Canon and Nikon already there over decades. Those sport/news PJs are offered camera gear by their employers not on their own choices. I'd agree Sport PJs will be the last group to migrate to ML. The same reason applied why lots more Canon over Nikon in sport fields despite Nikon 3D AF is obvious better than Canon's vulnerable AF system. All today's sport cameras are good enough, 1Dx II, D5 and A9 even 5D IV, D850 and A7 III are enough to do jobs especially now Sony just has 400 GM and 500 GM and 600 GM will be shipped before Tokyo 2020 Olympic game.

You aren't confusing maximum frame rates with "shooting speed" are you?

No. Not sure what is your definition of shooting speed? Burst rate is the key part of overall shooting speeds.

My metric is something like this: "time from image possibility to image captured correctly".

This takes into account the entire shooting process.

Otherwise, if only one element (although important) is considered; we may end up with a scenario like predicting a cars performance around a race circuit solely based on its acceleration, i.e. 0-100 time.

You can argue endlessly. I have owned 1D III that shoots 10fps with similar brick size body, sure 1Dx II or D5 shoot a bit faster but not huge difference. I also have owned 5D, 5D2, 5D3 and 60D and Nikon corresponding DSLRs are similar, so I am very familiar with DSLRs.

But I can tell you today's ML is very different so don't live on your old perception or whatever the stories you heard from other brands. Once you shoot an A9, you will know it's a completely different from all other MLs including Sony A7-series. No-blackout EVF that only from A9 is simply amazing that is best in the field, better than any OVFs that still have blackout. A9 absolutely can capture more critical moments than any other cameras including 1Dx II and D5.

I don't care the arguments of market share, how many brands or models of sport cameras in fields etc that are irrelevant to me. In my usages I can claim my combo of A7r III/A9 overall is better than D850/D5 and 5D IV/1Dx II, and I effectively carry them into any trips including vacation trips and ready for any moments. Good luck to carry those combo in your trips if you have

I respect your experience as stated as well as your opinion.

I note that the vast majority of professionals also have experience and opinions and I value that too.

A9 and FE 400 GM are very new. Most of those pros have not experienced. I am not a sport or news PJ so their choices are not directly related to me anyway.

Whereas I use a D850 and a 400Fl...

D850 is not at the level of D5 and certainly is not at level of A9 AF performance, burst rate and buffer depth.

D850 is different to D5 and A9.

Certainly where meets A7r III.

I tend to give more weight to what people actually do... and I see what equipment the pros are using. Not a lot of Sony gear out there yet. In time, who knows?

I first to check my needs in my usage areas and then refer to others' opinions and experiences related to my needs and shooting areas.

Smart.

For me and my use cases, the DSLR is currently a better option in most cases. I am currently evaluating a MILC to complement/supplement my DSLRs for those cases where it may be superior. Hence my interest.

Sure we all have our different needs, different shooting areas and different priority. To me A7r III and A9 combo can compete to any FF DSLRs that I am very sure about.

Not yet for fast BIF tracking...

How you know? Have you tried? A9 AF point coverage and WIDE AF engine, 20fps definitely have an edge over D5 in this area, no mention D850. 12 fps and much narrower AF coverage of D5 will miss some critical moments.

3D tracking, Group AF and 45 MPX matter to me. 19.4 MPX in crop mode.

Just in different terms. Eye-AF, WIDE and so many other AF setting, 20fps, zone AF, 42mp that cropped to 17mp in APS-C, IBIS, dual-gain ISO implementation, EFC right in EVF so no need such MLU and no MFA ever needed = sharpest photos especially with fast lens wide open and hand-held.

For example D5 maybe better in sport fields with busy background such as in basketball arena due to its well known 3D AF stickiness.

Right.

I say may or that is not my shooting area anyway, doesn't matter.

But this is not my shooting area while A9 has excellent stickiness as well in isolated subjects that are my shooting areas in BIF or airshow etc. Then due to 20fps and much wider AF point coverage, I can see A9 will have an advantage in those areas.

For yourself anyway.

For all we have seen and all experienced. A9 does have an edge in those areas. Are you trying to claim D5 is better in every area and every application?

I don't use a D5

I use D5 direct competitor A9 and also A7r III that competes to D850 very well. Do I miss anything?

I didn't claim A9 is better in every area and in every application but certainly better in many other areas and applications. The point is A9 is better in my shooting area that only matters.

Absolutely. Notice I never claim one camera is better than another for somebody else.

So what you are arguing here if you are not sure about and not experienced with other cameras?

I am actually not arguing anything

You're arguing for Nikon that is nothing to do with this thread and this forum.

I am telling you what I use. I am looking for a MILC to complement my D850. I am aware of all the specifications. These threads help my identify issues that will help me make my choice based on what is important to me.

So far your posts have not been enlightening to me.

Nevertheless, the points I have made in my previous post are valid. One does not win races on purely acceleration alone. It is the total on the tape that counts. It is exactly the same in clutch situations to capture the precise moment.

Again to our respective shooting area and priority. To me A9 overall is better. Similarly to me A7r III is better than D850 and 5DsR/5D IV in my usage - IBIS, no MFA ever needed, EFC right in EVF that also much easier for MF, dual-gain ISO implementation, DR at ISO 100 that matches to ISO 64 from D850 and then better in all other ISOs, high ISO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVfzOyzxcbA&t=1070s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-OcMZF06yBA

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61443398

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Do you see above videos and pictures? Nobody can deny and not impressed, really.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1614936648/a-wildlife-photographer-s-perspective-on-the-sony-a9

Check this well-known wildlife photog's video who also owns D5.

Zefah wrote:

I briefly had an X-T2 and still have an X100 F, but I have experienced lock ups on both them (need to remove the battery and reinsert to get back up and running). It always seems to happen for me in C-AF and continuous burst shooting modes. Some have said that it's probably related to the memory card and that using high speed UHS-II memory cards fixes it at least on the X-H1.

 TQGroup's gear list:TQGroup's gear list
Nikon D500 Nikon D850 Nikon Z6 Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 10-24mm f/3-5-4.5G ED Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35mm F4G ED VR +26 more
Zefah Regular Member • Posts: 330
Re: Fuji instead of Sony?
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Are you a troll?

Why are you in a thread about Sony and Fuji mirrorless cameras talking about how you love your D850 and think the D5, which you don't own, is better than the A9, which you haven't used?

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