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Handheld in lowlight with the 32mm f/1.4 (PICS)

Started Oct 13, 2018 | Discussions
Marco Nero
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Handheld in lowlight with the 32mm f/1.4 (PICS)
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Taken at minimum focus distance. Rescued from night traffic on the road. (obviously not a lowlight image). Peron's Tree Frog (Litoria peroni) - taken with an LED light for illumination. This species of frog is 2.5 inches long.

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It's still raining here so I've simply been fooling around with the EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM lens until the weather breaks. All of these were taken as I came across scenes that interested me. Some very early Christmas decorations on display caught my eye. A few handheld lowlight shots taken today (tonight) with the EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM lens (on the EOS M6 camera). Some of these were taken in less than ideal conditions. A couple of handheld shots of a small frog were shot on a sheet of white paper with torchlight. No sharpening. A little NR used for two of the cat shots. Shot in JPEG.  Nothing fancy with these shots... I'm just sharing them for the benefit of others who might be considering this lens.
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Christmas Decorations #1

Christmas Decorations #2

Christmas Decorations #3

My cat Quorra in the near-dark

I can't get shots like this with the 22mm f/2 lens.

My cat Zima in the dark. An impossible shot with my other EF-M lenses.

Black Sesame wafers on the table outside at dinner.

Gas Heater an hour after sunset

Someone's pet.

Rescued a 'Peron's Tree Frog' that was on the road tonight.

Peron's Tree Frogon a sheet of white paper with a flashlight.

Standing next to my car with a crescent moon in the sky at night

Crescent moon at night from my car window

Looking up at night - handheld - (shutter speed was too low) - Milky Way was elsewhere.

Handheld at night #1

Handheld at night #2

Playing with the aperture - shot through the rain smeared on my windshield.

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Marco Nero
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That Frog with the 28mm Macro lens... (PICS)
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Just in case anyone wondered what that Peron's Tree Frog looks like with the EF-M 28mm f/3.5 IS Macro STM lens...
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28mm Macro

28mm Macro

28mm Macro

28mm Macro

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Bhotoz Senior Member • Posts: 1,561
Re: That Frog with the 28mm Macro lens... (PICS)

Love these!

Marco, could you take some comparison shots (like "wall shots") of 28mm and 32mm @f4 and f5.6. Is there difference in sharpness at center or edges? Thanks!

amd Contributing Member • Posts: 604
Re: That Frog with the 28mm Macro lens... (PICS)

Love these frog pics! Very nice!

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J Peters Contributing Member • Posts: 759
Re: Handheld in lowlight with the 32mm f/1.4 (PICS)

No 15 - Nice bit of aerial photography 

Marco, you said you "can't get shots like these with the [EF-M] 22mm" but could you elaborate as to why? Is the 22mm just not fast enough?

I would like to buy the 32mm. I don't have an issue with the price point given the quality, but it is still a lot of money for me personally (esp at UK prices) and I'll have to save up or sell some other stuff. I've been wondering whether to forget it and just make the most of what I already have, and that means using the 22mm and then cropping if necessary on shots where 32mm would have framed the shot better. But from what you say I'd be missing out on more than just a bit of zoom reach.

Also, do you find the lack of IS on the 32mm at all troublesome (granted the 22mm doesn't have IS either but you tend to need it more as the FL gets longer)?

I love your shots, particularly of the Christmas decorations and your cat. Brilliant.

casey1823
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Re: Handheld in lowlight with the 32mm f/1.4 (PICS)
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Marco, yes shooting at 1.4 opens the door for a lot of creative shooting. At the zoo with the grandkids. Some in very low light.

Shot through the glass.

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casey1823
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Re: Handheld in lowlight with the 32mm f/1.4 (PICS)

J Peters wrote:

No 15 - Nice bit of aerial photography

Marco, you said you "can't get shots like these with the [EF-M] 22mm" but could you elaborate as to why? Is the 22mm just not fast enough?

I would like to buy the 32mm. I don't have an issue with the price point given the quality, but it is still a lot of money for me personally (esp at UK prices) and I'll have to save up or sell some other stuff

I've been wondering whether to forget it and just make the most of what I already have, and that means using the 22mm and then cropping if necessary on shots where 32mm would have framed the shot better. But from what you say I'd be missing out on more than just a bit of zoom reach.

You can crop using the 22mm but there is a huge difference between 2.0 and 1.4. You won't regret having the 32 1.4. Combined with the close focusing distance it's a really a special type of lens. I have the 35L II and its a wonderful lens but it feel like a beast on my M5.

Also, do you find the lack of IS on the 32mm at all troublesome (granted the 22mm doesn't have IS either but you tend to need it more as the FL gets longer)?

I really don't think you need IS with the 32. Coupled with 1.4 you can easily hand hold to /60 second. Probably a little less with good technique. Unless you're shooting something that is perfectly still you want a little more than that anyway.

I love your shots, particularly of the Christmas decorations and your cat. Brilliant.

I can't wait for Christmas to try it also.

Casey

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Marco Nero
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Where the 22mm f/2 lens shines and fails... (PICS)
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casey1823 wrote:

J Peters wrote:

No 15 - Nice bit of aerial photography

I really didn't expect to be able to capture this shot handheld with the lens so slow (at that shutter speed) but there was a break in the rain clouds so I thought I might see if I could see the Milky Way ... but it was in another part of the sky at the time.  The shot was still blurred slightly, even though I tried to remain still (taken at 0.4sec)

Marco, you said you "can't get shots like these with the [EF-M] 22mm" but could you elaborate as to why? Is the 22mm just not fast enough?

I've shot at night of the street with the 22mm at night and it's indeed a very decent lens for lowlight use.  As soon as the sun sets I find that I struggle with slower lenses so I'll put the 22mm lens on... BUT I used to prefer the massive EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM lens on my EOSM cameras for lowlight scenes. Now I can leave that heavy and monstrous beast at home and that this lens with me instead. 
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A perfectly exposed shot taken on the street with the 22mm f/2 lens at night.  Was still a little tricky but possible.  I had to remove the 28mm f/3.5 Macro lens and replaced it with the 22mm lens to capture this.
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BELOW.  People ask my why I don't just use f/2 with my 22mm lens.  But on an APS-C camera like the EOS M6, I'm going to need all the light I can capture if I don't want to introduce artificial illumination to the scene. I had to leave the table to try and read the menu under a light.  Here's an example of the 22mm f/2 lens at a restaurant that had an extremely lowlight environment.  I was hoping to do a local Google Review of the location.
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The view from my table... exactly as it appeared to my eyes.  Technically, the camera and lens are performing perfectly by representing the real (actual) scene.

Illumination in the restaurant consisted of candles and low-level lighting.

Trying to handhold a shot at -   f/2  |  1/40sec  |  ISO 500 (auto)

Trying to see my meal in the dark. Shot at -  f/2  |  1/60sec   |  ISO 3200
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I would like to buy the 32mm. I don't have an issue with the price point given the quality, but it is still a lot of money for me personally (esp at UK prices) and I'll have to save up or sell some other stuff

I've been wondering whether to forget it and just make the most of what I already have, and that means using the 22mm and then cropping if necessary on shots where 32mm would have framed the shot better. But from what you say I'd be missing out on more than just a bit of zoom reach.

You can crop using the 22mm but there is a huge difference between 2.0 and 1.4. You won't regret having the 32 1.4. Combined with the close focusing distance it's a really a special type of lens. I have the 35L II and its a wonderful lens but it feel like a beast on my M5.

There's an enormous difference in the amount of light received at f/1.4 compared to f/2 (as noted here by Casey).  And with a 9 inch (approx) MFD combined with a 50mm (equiv) focal length you can capture slightly more intimate shots of the subjects.  Sometimes it's nice to have a wider view of things but the 11-22mm has an aperture of f/4+ so unless you have good light it's not going to work out so well.  You can capture some lowlight shots with other lenses if you can hold the camera very steady and use a higher ISO setting.

Also, do you find the lack of IS on the 32mm at all troublesome (granted the 22mm doesn't have IS either but you tend to need it more as the FL gets longer)?

I really don't think you need IS with the 32. Coupled with 1.4 you can easily hand hold to /60 second. Probably a little less with good technique. Unless you're shooting something that is perfectly still you want a little more than that anyway.

Canon often don't install IS on lenses with faster lenses.  I don't mind having IS on a longer lens but it's still acceptable without one in this case.  The only times I've had an issue with lens movement (producing camera shake) was when I was still moving and the shutter speed had dropped to 1/60 sec. But as you can see with those images I posted, the one shot from by car of the moon in the distance (out of focus) and the sharp twigs on a nearby plant.... that was taken at 1/25 sec.   Those shots of my cats were taken at 1/250 sec (much faster than necessary).  The Christmas decoration shots were taken (mostly ) at 1/60sec without problems and I wasn't leaning on anything or resting the camera on anything.  But I try to shoot just a little faster than this ... or I take a short burst to eliminate camera shake.  I find that most of the time I set the camera to 1/80th of a second or faster.  If the scene is well lit you almost have to accept much faster shutter speeds because the lens is to bright.  Outdoors in daylight, if you want to use a wide aperture for shallow DOF, you'll often need to use a Neutral Density Filter or a CPL Filter to cut down the light.

I love your shots, particularly of the Christmas decorations and your cat. Brilliant.

I can't wait for Christmas to try it also.

I think we'll see a lot of interesting bokeh-ball type shots over Christmas with this lens in the hands of other users.   I was tempted to set up a couple of shots to produce some pretty bokeh balls behind my cats but they wanted to eat the LEDs as I unstrung them.  Those Christmas displays in the original post in this thread were each about the size of a shoe box.
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EF-M 22mm f/2 STM - By the way, I was able to resolve some shots in that dark restaurant:  Several guests at my table were kind enough to illuminate the food with their Smartphones - partly because the ceiling was painted black and wouldn't bounce my EOS M6 camera flash. This was (sadly) the nicest looking shot and it's still pretty ugly without a more ideal amount of light.

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Bhotoz - lens sharpness (PICS)
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Bhotoz wrote:

Love these!

Marco, could you take some comparison shots (like "wall shots") of 28mm and 32mm @f4 and f5.6. Is there difference in sharpness at center or edges? Thanks!

It's still pouring rain outside here in Sydney. The 28mm is a very sharp lens although i haven't conducted any comparison tests with it to detect aspherical aberrations. The 32mm lens is said to have the tiniest amount of distortion that most people won't even notice... it is virtually impossible to detect without grid-mapping etc. I haven't even bothered to look for it myself.  Sharpness of the 32mm lens puts it in the top tier and it's the sharpest EF-M lens available... possibly surpassing the EF 35mm f/1.4 II USM lens when comparing corners on APS-C bodies.   Aligning the lens with street poles and window frames in the city required no lens correction from me later.  This is literally the sharpest lens I've used.
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Reduced to 2000 pixels  - no correction added during PP.

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The lens is sharp from corner to corner, even wide open there's not any discernible corner softness.  Again, here's some unedited images taken in daylight with this lens that haven't been reduced (these are directly from the camera).
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32mm lens @ f/3.5

32mm lens @ f/8

32mm lens @ f/5.6

32mm lens @ f/5.6

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