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EF to RF Lens Purchases

Started Sep 24, 2018 | Polls
Tazz93
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EF to RF Lens Purchases

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available.  That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

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I'll buy EF lenses regardless of Canon's future direction and just adapt or sell them in the future.
33.3% 11  votes
I'll buy RF lenses once a adequate body is available.
15.2% 5  votes
I'll wait and watch.
51.5% 17  votes
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mr_nice Junior Member • Posts: 31
Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

I think EF is still a fine purchase. The RF to EF adapter is just an electrical conduit that restores the proper flange distance for an EF lens, AF should be as good or better on the R cameras. So I have no plans to sell and replace my lenses now or in the future, they're working great and I'm happy with them. If Canon makes more lenses that are compelling, like the 28-70 f2, then maybe I'll upgrade or add to my kit. It's kind of a moot point really. Canon either releases compelling lenses for the RF mount or they don't. If they don't then I use my current EF lenses with an adapter. If they do, then I upgrade. I'll probably keep my EF lenses though, they're great and they work and soon they'll be "classics"...

MitchAlsup Veteran Member • Posts: 5,518
Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

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Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

If I had the R and needed an ultra wide angle lens today, I'd get an EF 16-35 f4/f2.8 today; or go to the client and tell them to imagine how their shots would look with an R lens?

Plus apparently they work seamlessly, it's not like you're using an EF lens on a Sony, so it would make perfect sense to me.

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ed rader Veteran Member • Posts: 9,068
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i've got the lenses I need/want. the next time I upgrade it will be to RF lenses. that'll be at least a couple years down the road when I replace the 5d Mark IV with mirrorless.

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BirdShooter7 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,134
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Yea, I'm going to pick up that RF 600mm f/4.  Oh, wait...

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mr_nice Junior Member • Posts: 31
Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

ed rader Veteran Member • Posts: 9,068
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I predict Canon will not manufacture another DSLR that I will want -- i.e., the replacement for the 5d4 will be mirrorless.

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Ed Rizk Veteran Member • Posts: 3,898
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mr_nice wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

Per unscientific DPR poll, 40% prefer OVF over EVF.   Since most DPR forum posters are gear heads, and most gear heads love higher tech gear for higher tech's sake, the number in the general population is probably over 50% that prefer OVF.

Personally, I prefer EVF, but have never considered mirror less because of the other advantages of a DSLR.   Mirrorless is just now getting some competitive AF systems, although the real speed freaks that shoot sports and wildlife aren't buying it yet.   Low light AF is just now getting competitive, which is important to me.  Finally we have a couple of big mirror less cameras, another of my critical requirements.   I don''t want a rinky dink body with fiddly controls.   I might get a small something for travel by plane, but for my main system, I would rather have bigger than smaller.   I'm 60.  I was never particularly athletic.   And I have never had the slightest difficulty carrying or lifting my camera gear.

It would be foolish to discontinue a product that such a large segment of the market prefers.

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rich EF lens selection will be with us for a long time to come, no EF eulogy will change my mind

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MitchAlsup Veteran Member • Posts: 5,518
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mr_nice wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

Yes, decades. There are things an OVF does that cannot be done with EVF.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

I happen to have about 30 feet of vinyl stacked record to record horizontally.

While the records do not have the measurement numbers of digitally captured music, they still actually sound better than digital music. Many of them are from my college years (1970-1975) and still sound great.

Oh, and BTW, vinyl is making a comeback.

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Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

MitchAlsup wrote:

mr_nice wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

Yes, decades. There are things an OVF does that cannot be done with EVF.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

I happen to have about 30 feet of vinyl stacked record to record horizontally.

While the records do not have the measurement numbers of digitally captured music, they still actually sound better than digital music. Many of them are from my college years (1970-1975) and still sound great.

Oh, and BTW, vinyl is making a comeback.

Mitch, same here, bulk of my albums are from those years. i don't have 30ft of vinyl but 5ft of it left, i tried to sell them in many of my garage sales but no bite (maybe a few) i did digitize them (my favorites) so i don't mind if i trash them, but i will give them a few more garage sale chances

BTW, i still have my Yamaha turntable (in perfect shape) as well

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Mika Y.
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Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

mr_nice wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

Slightly off-topic, but while I do have a streaming music service subscription, I do also keep all my about 300 or CDs around. While they do not last literally forever, I'm fairly sure they have more guaranteed longevity than the licencing deals between Google and record companies, and do not use lossy compression which all but very few streaming music services do use. Additionally, I've ripped a significant portion of them so often I don't really need to access the original media.

So I have the best of both worlds; a massive cloud-based library of new material to discover, as well as a selection of higher-quality and less likely to become unavailable physical records.

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mr_nice Junior Member • Posts: 31
Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

Ed Rizk wrote:

mr_nice wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

Per unscientific DPR poll, 40% prefer OVF over EVF. Since most DPR forum posters are gear heads, and most gear heads love higher tech gear for higher tech's sake, the number in the general population is probably over 50% that prefer OVF.

Personally, I prefer EVF, but have never considered mirror less because of the other advantages of a DSLR. Mirrorless is just now getting some competitive AF systems, although the real speed freaks that shoot sports and wildlife aren't buying it yet. Low light AF is just now getting competitive, which is important to me. Finally we have a couple of big mirror less cameras, another of my critical requirements. I don''t want a rinky dink body with fiddly controls. I might get a small something for travel by plane, but for my main system, I would rather have bigger than smaller. I'm 60. I was never particularly athletic. And I have never had the slightest difficulty carrying or lifting my camera gear.

It would be foolish to discontinue a product that such a large segment of the market prefers.

It's exactly what you say though. Finally we have a couple of big mirrorless cameras. Before now one could potentially understand why photographers didn't like mirrorless, because the two best camera companies hadn't thrown in yet. But now that they have most of the complaints should be a thing of the past. Once people experience the higher end R and Z systems the stats will shift more in their favor.

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Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

MitchAlsup wrote:

mr_nice wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

Yes, decades. There are things an OVF does that cannot be done with EVF.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

I happen to have about 30 feet of vinyl stacked record to record horizontally.

While the records do not have the measurement numbers of digitally captured music, they still actually sound better than digital music. Many of them are from my college years (1970-1975) and still sound great.

Oh, and BTW, vinyl is making a comeback.

Records don't sound better. Records may be more appealing to certain listeners due to harmonic distortion. Technically speaking they're worse than digital in every measurable way.

Tazz93
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That's the problem...

BirdShooter7 wrote:

Yea, I'm going to pick up that RF 600mm f/4. Oh, wait...

That's actually apart of the thinking that brought up this thread, did Canon just shoot itself in the foot as far as sales go?

Why buy a 600L III when you may have to adapt it new body a couple of years down the line? Or you could argue, its not likely that you'll have an RF option for another 7-8 years anyway so why not? If you're like me, adapting a $12,000 lens is simply not an option. I'd rather just swap out to a system that works natively.

IMO, Canon's strategy seems poorly thought out. The dual line up just seems like its ultimately not going to make anyone totaling happy. Personally, I LOVE OVFs... period. But, the body isn't completely and totally about the optical viewfinder experience. IMO, it matters... a lot, but if speed starts to take a hit and other performance oriented features have to be omitted because of the mirror-box, I find myself forced to keep up. Yeah... I'm a competitive photographer. If a friend gets out and makes a better shot, I find myself working harder to match it. However, there's no doubt the mirror-box cameras will still work fine for years to come,  but there's no way I'm going to handicap myself over it, as a competitively natured shooter. Technology simply moves forward and the mirror is running up against a lot of limits. I'll hold out as long as holding out isn't a significant loss to capability.

Sorry if this jumped off tangent to your point BirdShooter, but your comment prompted a lot of thoughts.

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I'd say you are right on.

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Ed Rizk Veteran Member • Posts: 3,898
Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

mr_nice wrote:

Ed Rizk wrote:

mr_nice wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

Tazz93 wrote:

If you're like me, you are probably questioning any new lens purchases (EF or RF mount). With the RF mount looking to be the direction Canon is moving, it seems a little odd to buy new EF lenses and then possibly adapt them in a year or two. It also seems odd to buy an RF lens prior to a viable body being available. That's not a knock on the EOS R, but it just isn't for me. Share your views or thoughts.

Lenses are tools, if you need a tool you buy one. When you no longer need it you ell it.

The more lenses one has the less one thinks about new/better/more exotic lenses. There is a level of saturation where you have a lens for everything, and quit thinking about lenses as particles of acquisition and start thinking about using them for the task at hand.

I, for one, don't give a rats sphincter about the R or its lenses, I happen to like looking through an optical viewfinder, and especially the rapid snick of a dSLR taking a picture.

In any event, the EF line has decades of life left in it. decades.

Decades? It will be essentially dead in 5 years tops. I predict that in 10 years Canon has no DSLR's for sale.

But I admit, many of you are very, very stubborn about OVF and mirror slapping sounds. So who knows how long we will have DSLR's.

I guess it's kind of like the people who keep records around. On one hand, you can have superior sound and performance with all your music stored weightlessly in the cloud. On the other, you have to store thousands of pounds of giant vinyl disks with limited resolution that wear out over time. Nostalgia is a powerful thing it seems.

Per unscientific DPR poll, 40% prefer OVF over EVF. Since most DPR forum posters are gear heads, and most gear heads love higher tech gear for higher tech's sake, the number in the general population is probably over 50% that prefer OVF.

Personally, I prefer EVF, but have never considered mirror less because of the other advantages of a DSLR. Mirrorless is just now getting some competitive AF systems, although the real speed freaks that shoot sports and wildlife aren't buying it yet. Low light AF is just now getting competitive, which is important to me. Finally we have a couple of big mirror less cameras, another of my critical requirements. I don''t want a rinky dink body with fiddly controls. I might get a small something for travel by plane, but for my main system, I would rather have bigger than smaller. I'm 60. I was never particularly athletic. And I have never had the slightest difficulty carrying or lifting my camera gear.

It would be foolish to discontinue a product that such a large segment of the market prefers.

It's exactly what you say though. Finally we have a couple of big mirrorless cameras. Before now one could potentially understand why photographers didn't like mirrorless, because the two best camera companies hadn't thrown in yet. But now that they have most of the complaints should be a thing of the past. Once people experience the higher end R and Z systems the stats will shift more in their favor.

Like a lot of DSLR fans, I will take a better overall product over the latest tech.   Unlike a lot of them, I actually prefer EVF, though using it all day might or might not be as good, so I will wait until I can rent one for a weekend of  lots of shooting to make a final judgement on EVF.    The extended time will also be good to check out the actual comfort of the new bigger bodies.

But, you have to remember that I am more open minded than most of the other luddites.  Manufacturers have to make products that people want.   I'm not a speed freak and don't keep my eye to the viewfinder as much as the hard core sports and bird shooters.  Any eye strain from the EVF or slight AF speed limits will be a much bigger deal to them than to me. Then there are those who just LIKE looking through the OVF more regardless of the benefits of EVF.   There are enough of them to make a market.

Long lenses aren't getting any benefits from the new mount, so there is no down side to getting a good long lens and just buying a dedicated adapter for it if you go mirror less later.    The cost is negligible considering the price of a good telephoto.   Buy what you want when you want it, if you are staying with Canon.   It looks like everything will always work fine.

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MitchAlsup Veteran Member • Posts: 5,518
Re: EF to RF Lens Purchases

1Dx4me wrote:

MitchAlsup wrote:

I happen to have about 30 feet of vinyl stacked record to record horizontally.

While the records do not have the measurement numbers of digitally captured music, they still actually sound better than digital music. Many of them are from my college years (1970-1975) and still sound great.

Oh, and BTW, vinyl is making a comeback.

Mitch, same here, bulk of my albums are from those years. i don't have 30ft of vinyl but 5ft of it left, i tried to sell them in many of my garage sales but no bite (maybe a few) i did digitize them (my favorites) so i don't mind if i trash them, but i will give them a few more garage sale chances

BTW, i still have my Yamaha turntable (in perfect shape) as well

I upgraded to a VPI Scout about a decade ago.

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