Where are the Olympus cameras?....

FYI: "barren", not "baron".

SpinOne wrote:

cpt kent wrote:

2018 - One new camera this year - E-PL9

2017 - One last year - E-M10iii

2016 - Three (that’s better) - E-M1ii, Pen F, E-PL8

2015 - Three - most notably, that’s the last E-M5 model...

(source: DPR product timeline)

I’m not saying they need to introduce something every 6 months, but the last couple of years have been a bit baron.

I only looked because I’m wondering, WHERE IS THE E-m5iii ???

It will probably be out some time in 2019.

Digital cameras are mature, and Olympus is doing pretty well with the E-M1 ii and Pen-F. The E-M5 iii probably won't add much, except a few meaningless MP on the sensor, and better AF. Meaning, there is almost nothing you will be able to do with the E-M5 iii that you can't do right now with an E-M1 Mk i.

The days of revolutionary M43 hardware are pretty much over. So it goes.

Alternate reality.

dinoSnake wrote:

TomFid wrote:

007peter wrote:

cpt kent wrote:

2018 - One new camera this year - E-PL9 (just a rebadge EPL8 from 2016

Aside from build-in flash in E-PL9, there is no piratical difference between E-PL8 vs E-PL9. Translation: Olympus didn't make much Engineering Effort in 2018 @all into making camera.

It has a few other upgrades, like 4k. https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=oly_epl8&products=olympus_epl9

Tony Northrup said Olympus has largely given up and being Left behind (see 12:30min). Judging by Olympus LACK OF ACTION, I have to agree.

I don't agree yet, but this is how Nikon 1 died.

I agree, but Olympus is completely dropping the ball here in terms of marketing: if you don't have anything new to introduce, at least drop hints of exciting new developments that you are working on and tease the public with future possibilities. Especially in today's connected, Twitter-happy society.

Olympus...has just gone quiet. I know the plan, don't say anything about what we're doing for the future because it will only cause people to not to buy today. But when you've not captured general buyer's imaginations for a while, you'd better do something to keep people talking about you (see: how PocketWizard is being left behind)

Great comment. But I don't think it's marketing. I guess they know very well that being quiet means lost sales to competition. I am afraid they are quiet because they don't have anything.

Okapi001 wrote:

Humansvillian wrote:

But the original Zippo is the standard of the world, for the best lighter.

Zippo should better pay attention, because battery powered, USB-charged, lighters are here. Can be refueled with your phone's (or any other USB) charger. Can work in a hurricane.

Looks kind of like a Slim Zippo to me.

Those are marketed to style conscious women, who want to use a woman's Zippo.

Some claim the biggest market, is for women who have found a man who will drive her around on the back of his Harley, when she does't want to ride hers by herself.

If a woman can't share a can of Zippo lighter fluid with her man, then I doubt the concept of a USB charged, battery powered counterfeit Slim Zippo has much appeal.

Nobody has to smoke, you know?

But all smokers need a light.

Women who use Slim Zippos, can ask her man for a light from his Zippo, when she doesn't want to light her smoke herself with her Zippo.

And one more consideration should be considered.

In the river beyond the rope, nothing works except a Zippo.

Swimming hole

Humansvillian wrote:

Nobody has to smoke, you know?

Correct. And that is exactly why they banned smoking in restaurants, railways, airplanes etc.

But all smokers need a light.

Correct. But "a light" and "a Zippo" is not the same thing. I smoke the pipe. They do also make a special Zippo for pipes, you know. Pipes are light vertically, not horizontally like cigarettes. But I want to enjoy the pure taste of tobacco. Unaltered by lighter petrol fumes. So it is matches or Butane for me.

Besides, there are many other ways to enjoy smoking. Each has its own requirement for the light. For example it would be a sacrilege to put a Zippo onto a fine Cuban cigar. In the orient they still use water pipes. Then there are those that prefer things other than tobacco. Think opium pipes etc.

Cameras need light too, but cold light. I was wondering what you were smoking when you said Olympus could become the wold's Zippo. That was like a breath of smoke coming from my computer screen.

By the way, I actually enjoy reading your refreshing posts. Speaking of cigars, childhood comes to mind. Grandpa used to smoke cigars. I hated the disgusting horrible stench when he smoked them. But he used to give us the empty cigar boxes to play with. So I still looked forward to visit him. These empty boxes had a most beautiful smell. Unburned tobacco mixed with exotic rain-forest wood. The smell lasted for years.

cpt kent wrote:

2018 - One new camera this year - E-PL9

2017 - One last year - E-M10iii

2016 - Three (that’s better) - E-M1ii, Pen F, E-PL8

2015 - Three - most notably, that’s the last E-M5 model...

(source: DPR product timeline)

I’m not saying they need to introduce something every 6 months, but the last couple of years have been a bit baron.

I only looked because I’m wondering, WHERE IS THE E-m5iii ???

I hope they will join the Leica/Sigma/Panasonic cooperation on a common FF mount. It will be hard for Olympus to compete as the only m43 camera producer. And if I believe there is one that can make small and light and smart FF lenses it should be Olympus.

The excellent m43 pro lenses might be used on a FF body with an adapter that acts as a 2x teleconverter, spreading the image circle to FF size.

My old Grandpa, was born in 1880 in Hickory County.

He started smoking long green home grown tobacco, when he was about eight.

Then he attended the Weaubleau Christian College for two years when he was about twenty.

He earned two thousand dollars in gold, working as an engineer in the tall timber of the Pacific Northwest, until he rode home on a train back to Hickory County and bought a bottom land farm on the Pomme De Terre River.

My Grandma would decorate the graves of his infant children, and his first wife who died in childbirth tying to have him a son, and I still do.

Grandma wrote a book, that was all about her and Grandpa, and it's published.

She showed me her pictures, of when she was 21, and saw my 38 year old Grandpa, for the first time as she looked down from her window, thinking her young life was over because her fiance had been killed in the Argonne Forest.

I have photographs of Grandpa on his fiftieth wedding celebration, of him walking on his hands, because he was still so limber and wiry.

And my God when Grandpa died it was quite a show.

I was there along with all three of his children, all his grandchildren, and we allowed Grandma to light his last cigarette.

If you lit Grandpa's cigarette, he required you to remove a Blue Diamond Strike Anywhere Match from the box, and strike it on a certain rock, that I still own.

Grandpa's Brand

And he also chewed, snuffed, dipped, and smoked pipes and cigars.

If he had not been so stubborn as to demand his only son to drive down from Kansas City to wind his clock and trim his toenails, he might be alive today.

Uncle JIggs managed to keep his clock wound, but the poor old man had bad circulation, since he was ninety two and all, and he got an ingrown toenail, and the resulting infection put him right in Gardner Cemetery, not far from our yearly family reunion our good old Grandma started.

She's buried right beside him.

He didn't need no Zippos.

P.S.

My Mama said she never really saw her father ever work up a sweat. He was happy all the time, and they always had plenty, because he was a jack of all trades, and could just about fix anything the neighbors had that was broken, that they'd bring to his house.

And when she went off to become a school teacher, he handed her two one hundred dollar bills, right in the middle of World War Two, when money was scarce, and she was so worried her only brother would have to fight the Nazis or Tojo.

Uncle Jiggs, never heard a gun go off,in Germany, and lived happily ever after, married to my Aunt Bobbie, who married him on their first date, and his four daughters and me love our family reunions, each year in Hickory County.

Uncle Jiggs, never needed any Zippos, either.

He gave away all his Zippos he used during the war to his grandsons, after his father in law died of cancer and he quit smoking.

He said a man could buy nearly anything in Germany in April and May of 1945 with a package of Lucky Strikes.

MatsP wrote:

cpt kent wrote:

2018 - One new camera this year - E-PL9

2017 - One last year - E-M10iii

2016 - Three (that’s better) - E-M1ii, Pen F, E-PL8

2015 - Three - most notably, that’s the last E-M5 model...

(source: DPR product timeline)

I’m not saying they need to introduce something every 6 months, but the last couple of years have been a bit baron.

I only looked because I’m wondering, WHERE IS THE E-m5iii ???

I hope they will join the Leica/Sigma/Panasonic cooperation on a common FF mount

And I certainly hope they won't. That would jeopardize their position in the market as they do not have the resources to develop two different lines of lenses in a shrinking market

Let s also not forget the most likely scenario  regarding the Panasonic dive into a 35 mm format. Panasonic has a close relationship with Leica. Leica has probably convinced Panasonic and Sigma to produce some lenses for their SL line of lenses which is rather limited. Panasonic may also come with either a rebadged SL or a more video centric camera. Considering the size of the SL, i fail to see what impact it would have on micro 4/3 sales

. It will be hard for Olympus to compete as the only m43 camera producer.

This is false assumption. Where did you read that Panasonic is going to give up on its m4/3 collection. They are successful with several of their m4/3 products and I am quite certain they have ZERO intentions of letting it go

And if I believe there is one that can make small and light and smart FF lenses it should be Olympus.

The excellent m43 pro lenses might be used on a FF body with an adapter that acts as a 2x teleconverter, spreading the image circle to FF size.

No it cannot be done with a quality result. Stop dreaming

if you need a 35mm mirorless, you have now several options. Go for it

Harold

Harold66 wrote:

MatsP wrote:

cpt kent wrote:

2018 - One new camera this year - E-PL9

2017 - One last year - E-M10iii

2016 - Three (that’s better) - E-M1ii, Pen F, E-PL8

2015 - Three - most notably, that’s the last E-M5 model...

(source: DPR product timeline)

I’m not saying they need to introduce something every 6 months, but the last couple of years have been a bit baron.

I only looked because I’m wondering, WHERE IS THE E-m5iii ???

I hope they will join the Leica/Sigma/Panasonic cooperation on a common FF mount

And I certainly hope they won't. That would jeopardize their position in the market as they do not have the resources to develop two different lines of lenses in a shrinking market

Let s also not forget the most likely scenario regarding the Panasonic dive into a 35 mm format. Panasonic has a close relationship with Leica. Leica has probably convinced Panasonic and Sigma to produce some lenses for their SL line of lenses which is rather limited. Panasonic may also come with either a rebadged SL or a more video centric camera. Considering the size of the SL, i fail to see what impact it would have on micro 4/3 sales

. It will be hard for Olympus to compete as the only m43 camera producer.

This is false assumption. Where did you read that Panasonic is going to give up on its m4/3 collection. They are successful with several of their m4/3 products and I am quite certain they have ZERO intentions of letting it go

And if I believe there is one that can make small and light and smart FF lenses it should be Olympus.

The excellent m43 pro lenses might be used on a FF body with an adapter that acts as a 2x teleconverter, spreading the image circle to FF size.

No it cannot be done with a quality result. Stop dreaming

Depends of the optical quality of the converter. Not impossible. There's a rumour Panasonic will provide one for their coming FF. We'll see on Tuesday.

if you need a 35mm mirorless, you have now several options. Go for it

Yes I probably will. I hope it will be an Olympus. I have no hurry. I can wait for it. I have FF DSLR now after having used Olympus E-M5 and E-M1. I would love an FF with Olympus qualities.

Harold

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SpinOne wrote:

cpt kent wrote:

2018 - One new camera this year - E-PL9

2017 - One last year - E-M10iii

2016 - Three (that’s better) - E-M1ii, Pen F, E-PL8

2015 - Three - most notably, that’s the last E-M5 model...

(source: DPR product timeline)

I’m not saying they need to introduce something every 6 months, but the last couple of years have been a bit baron.

I only looked because I’m wondering, WHERE IS THE E-m5iii ???

It will probably be out some time in 2019.

Digital cameras are mature, and Olympus is doing pretty well with the E-M1 ii and Pen-F. The E-M5 iii probably won't add much, except a few meaningless MP on the sensor, and better AF. Meaning, there is almost nothing you will be able to do with the E-M5 iii that you can't do right now with an E-M1 Mk i.

The days of revolutionary M43 hardware are pretty much over. So it goes.

Where I live both the E-M1 Mark II and the Pen F now a bit look overpriced for what you get. The competition has caught up, particularly things like the G9. In the meantime the midrange E-M5 Mark II is showing its age and could really do with a sensor bump and PDAF focusing. There’s plenty of scope for a refresh so far as I can see. I’d expect Oly to come out with a strong contender or two before long because otherwise they will start losing customers.

Hopefully the new Olympus camera will be a match for the XT3 in performance and price !

dinoSnake wrote:

but Olympus is completely dropping the ball here in terms of marketing: if you don't have anything new to introduce, at least drop hints of exciting new developments that you are working on and tease the public with future possibilities. Especially in today's connected, Twitter-happy society.

Olympus...has just gone quiet. I know the plan, don't say anything about what we're doing for the future because it will only cause people to not to buy today. But when you've not captured general buyer's imaginations for a while, you'd better do something to keep people talking about you (see: how PocketWizard is being left behind)

Agree. what Olympus really needs is a Solid Roadmap of what is coming & in store for its core users.  Take a look @ FUJI own website, Fuji release 2019 roadmap updates for X-system owners can anticipate what is coming for them:

Fuji camera line up is also very simplify without much overlapped.