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Started Sep 18, 2018 | Discussions
R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,551
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SheilaO wrote:

Would any Canon afficionado be able to assist me? I need to update my camera

Hi Sheila'.  Welcome!

+1 to what Helen writes. She's been around the block a few (dozen ) times and speaks from plentiful experience.

My present camera is a Canon DSLR 300D, and it’s twelve years old.

The advances in technology over the past 12 years are real game changers. The improvements in image quality and resolution mean that you can print larger and crop in further (effectively giving you more "telephoto" ability at the longer focal lengths).

Improvements in high ISO noise mean that you can now take photos in situations that were all but impossible previously. Just think what being able to increase your shutter speeds 4-fold would mean in low light, or when shooting action! Your keeper rates will skyrocket, and in my case my tripod has gone into permanent storage.

Canon has also improved both the autofocus hardware and firmware (algorithms) substantially during this period as well. I can tell you that my AF hit percentage has increased by a huge amount, even shooting the most difficult subjects (indoor sports and BIFs especially).

And as substantial as these types of improvements are (and there are a lot more), the real benefit IMHO is that they will change how you can and will use your camera.

You'll find that your camera is much more capable and useful in so many more situations. And the improvements to the user interface and speed of operation make the shooting experience so much more enjoyable.  You'll kick yourself for not upgrading sooner, I guarantee!

On top of these improvements is the advent of a little feature called Live View. DSLRs can now take pictures using the back LCD for both shooting and reviewing. And having a twisty LCD plus a touchscreen means that a person can now take pictures (very easily) from so many more (and varied) angles. Waist-level or chest-level candid portraiture is a cinch. Landscapes (from a tripod) are easier to shoot, and IME it's been transformative for macro shooting. In fact, I've been shooting most of my pictures using just the back LCD for a while now (for most fast action I still use the traditional ol' viewfinder tho).

If you've been one to eschew video thus far, these cameras really make you want to shoot it! And with Dual Pixel autofocus, the great swivel touchscreen, and smooth silent STM lenses, IMHO Canon's implementation is absolutely first class.

If you want to be able to access these Live View/Video features using the viewfinder, that's where mirrorless comes in. Additionally Canon's M-Series mirrorless lineup sports small bodies and even smaller lenses (if minimal size is a factor). But DSLRs and mirrorless both still have their advantages and disadvantages, and are talked about to great length on the other forums.

I would appreciate some advice on the best model to get

I would absolutely get a camera that has the new Dual Pixel sensor technology, since they benefit greatly from all that Dual Pixel Autofocus goodness.

The aforementioned SL2 (200D) is your entry point. And the refurbs are a tremendous value. If you want a little bigger grip (and body) plus more features, then the T7i (800D) is next up the food chain, with the 77D giving you a more featured UI (User Interface: ie top LCD and more controls). 80D and 7D2 round out the crop sensor lineup.

I'd really recommend heading to a store and handling the various cameras (test shooting would be even better). See what feels best to you!

I will be staying with Canon as my lenses are all that make (28-135 mm, 50 mm and 18-55 mm).

I'd like to start out by saying that the performance of your existing lenses will not be degraded on any of these new cameras.  Your lenses are even Dual Pixel AF compatible. What they gave you with your current 300D, you will get with one of the newer bodies.  In fact you'll like them even better on these new cameras (the improved AF alone will see to that). So if you were satisfied with their performance on your older body, then you have nothing to worry about. 👍

Having said that, today's newer lenses make life sooo much sweeter.     

I'd highly highly recommend at least purchasing a kit with one of the new STM kit lenses in it.  You'll save a lot of money that way, and reap the benefits of fast, smooth, and virtually silent autofocus.  Your confidence behind the camera will go way up.  Believe me, I own a passel of STM lenses now, and love every one of them.

The 18-55 STM is a very proven lens, and if you don't mind a larger rig then the 18-135 USM (or STM) will add tons more range, and save you lots of lens changes.  Up to you though.  I'd also put the 50 STM on your roadmap, as it's so much better behaved than the older 50, and it's so inexpensive that it's almost a no-brainer.  The sky's the limit after that!

and whether it would be a good idea to buy secondhand.

I've always had great luck with Canon's Refurb offerings.  The equipment I've bought there has always been in perfect condition.  You can save big bucks this way, esp during the occasional sale.

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Well, sorry about the huge post.  I'm just so enthused when someone has the opportunity to make a big upgrade! 

Best of luck to you Sheila',

R2

ps.  Samples from a bunch of cameras (and lenses) in my galleries.  Link is in my sig.  EXIF is left intact.  R2

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whakapu wrote:

This is a point of great debate but removing the mirror means the body can be smaller, lenses can be smaller, mirrorless bodies (with the right

which is negated if using EF/EF-s lenses like the OP would be 🙄

adapter) can attach almost any lens but sometimes only in manual focus. You generally get an electronic viewfinder with mirrorless which means that you're always seeing your actual exposure. Because there is no mirror to move you can have faster frame rates and sometimes silent shooting. Downsides include shorter battery life, more exposure to dust. In the past they haven't focused as well on moving subjects but that is changing.

Someone made a good point about lenses. They'll work at least as well on a newer body but won't give you the full performance of a new body. If you do replace lenses I can recommend any of Canon's STM range. They're light, cheap and sharp. The only negative is that focus is all electronic so manual focus is tricky. Also, looking at the lenses you currently have, you don't seem to require extreme focal lengths so a bundle with an 18-135 STM might meet all your needs. Also Canon's new G1X-III is essentially the same camera as their current Rebel and mirrorless series but with a fixed zoom lens. It's not cheap though.

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Lepewhi wrote:

I would also suggest the Canon refurbished online store. They also have lenses. Try looking at a Sl2. It's small, about the same size as a mirrorless, but you won't need an adaptor for your existing lenses. But, if video is your thing, you might consider mirrorless,

no need. Canon's dual pixel autofocus is the best live view autofocus out there and the SL2 has it. Plus the Digital Rebel didn’t have video let alone live view!

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cRedFox88 wrote:

Lepewhi wrote:

But, if video is your thing, you might consider mirrorless,

no need. Canon's dual pixel autofocus is the best live view autofocus out there and the SL2 has it.

Gotta agree with Lepewhi on this point actually (being both a mirrorless and DSLR owner myself). IME mirrorless adds another layer of versatility for the video shooter (esp a casual video shooter). Since mirrorless sports an EVF instead of an OVF, there are times when being able to shoot video using the Viewfinder can be a huge advantage, ie. when tracking moving subjects. Plus the face acts as a natural (3-point) stabilizer for those times when you don’t have a tripod or stabilizing gimbal/rig handy!

R2

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R2D2 wrote:

cRedFox88 wrote:

Lepewhi wrote:

But, if video is your thing, you might consider mirrorless,

no need. Canon's dual pixel autofocus is the best live view autofocus out there and the SL2 has it.

Gotta agree with Lepewhi on this point actually (being both a mirrorless and DSLR owner myself). IME mirrorless adds another layer of versatility for the video shooter (esp a casual video shooter). Since mirrorless sports an EVF instead of an OVF, there are times when being able to shoot video using the Viewfinder can be a huge advantage, ie.

no, flip out lcd screen is better than having the camera even higher at eye level 🙄🤔😲

when tracking moving subjects. Plus the face acts as a natural (3-point) stabilizer for those times when you don’t have a tripod or stabilizing gimbal/rig handy!

You don’t need that unless your focal lengths are long plus Csnon has IS in all its ef -s zooms

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RedFox88 wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Gotta agree with Lepewhi on this point actually (being both a mirrorless and DSLR owner myself). IME mirrorless adds another layer of versatility for the video shooter (esp a casual video shooter). Since mirrorless sports an EVF instead of an OVF, there are times when being able to shoot video using the Viewfinder can be a huge advantage, ie.

no, flip out lcd screen is better than having the camera even higher at eye level

You miss the point. Mirrorless has both options. You can therefore choose whichever option better suits the situation. And as I mentioned, there are plenty of situations where using the EVF for video has (excuse the pun) clear advantages.

when tracking moving subjects. Plus the face acts as a natural (3-point) stabilizer for those times when you don’t have a tripod or stabilizing gimbal/rig handy!

You don’t need that unless your focal lengths are long

I use my 18-135 for a lot of my video shooting, and the benefits start at 18mm and accrue all the way through 135mm (and well beyond!). The effects are very noticeable, and not just at the telephoto end.

plus Csnon has IS in all its ef -s zooms

Keep in mind that image stabilization is layered on top of however stable (or un-stable) your camera is. The more stable you hold your camera, the better the results will be, even when you have IS. This is Photography 101 here.

Now I don't want the OP's thread to be turned into a Mirrorless/DSLR debate. There are plenty of other venues to do that! But this feature is so obvious (to anyone who's used it) that IMHO there really is no valid point of contention in the first place.

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SheilaO wrote:

Cann you tell me what is the advantage of mirrorless?

Thanks,

Sheila

Less battery life and more prone to being sent in for repair if you drop or knock it in my experience.

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Lepewhi wrote:

I would also suggest the Canon refurbished online store. They also have lenses. Try looking at a Sl2. It's small, about the same size as a mirrorless, but you won't need an adaptor for your existing lenses. But, if video is your thing, you might consider mirrorless, but would go Sony.

Get the Canon 80D

or if your money is very tight, get the Canon 70D second hand.

and if you can afford it get a Canon 5D Mark I  second hand

needless to say get the Canon 5D mark IV if you are LOADED WITH MONEY

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But handle them all first.  The 80d is a large camera, i thought I wanted done for the larger VF but couldn't accept carrying that brick around...

Bear in mind my sl1 is mostly for fast paced street photography but of course an SL1 or sl2 can do mostly everything an 80d can do it's only if you need the features a professional would that you need them etc...

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