EOS R Price after 12 months

...who has pealed off more Canon users than any other brand. And Sony has shown a willingness to offer the A73 at $2K even without Canon having a FF product on the market. Sony also has a short product upgrade cycle. So it's not out of the question that Sony will have released an additional body or two in 12 months time.

An of course Canon many release a couple new products too. But it's hard to imagine any scenario where the R is selling at a premium to the A73.

Just my $0.02.

The Fat Fish wrote:

How do you think the EOS R price will change over the next month? Some Canon cameras barely change over long periods of time and others like the 6DII drop considerably and quickly.

For example the 6DII was released at £2000 and has been as low as £1300 (body only, non-grey import).

The 5DIV on the other hand was released at £3300 and has only dropped to £3000.

The 5D4 was launched at £3599.

Comparing launch prices instead of today's street prices really puts the EOS R into perspective doesn't it? 35% cheaper than the 5D4. Even better if you net off the price of the included adapter.

So, after 12 months what do you think the price of the EOS R will be?

There are too many unknowns, but the magic number is £1999 isn't it? It might take more than a year to reach this.

Silvex wrote:

...who has pealed off more Canon users than any other brand. And Sony has shown a willingness to offer the A73 at $2K even without Canon having a FF product on the market. Sony also has a short product upgrade cycle. So it's not out of the question that Sony will have released an additional body or two in 12 months time.

If Sony has pealed (sic) off more Canon users than any other brand how would you explain the fact that Sony's market share hasn't changed but Canon's has increased?

An of course Canon many release a couple new products too. But it's hard to imagine any scenario where the R is selling at a premium to the A73.

Just my $0.02.

MolecularMan wrote:

The short answer is: It depends on how it sells...

compared to projected sales.

They have the choice of going with a higher-margin lower-volume sales strategy or a lower-margin higher-volume sales strategy.

...and what you are measuring. If we are talking FF interchangeable lens cameras in the US:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/0947201864/sony-claims-top-spot-in-full-frame-interchangeable-lens-camera-sales

https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-claims-top-spot-in-us-full-frame-camera-market

Are we talking mirrorless FF market? Right now Canon has a 0% market share in FF mirrorless. Sony started with a 0% share and is now on top. Sony going from 0% to#1 is a much greater change than Canon staying at 0% market share. All of Sony's FF mirrorless users were either new to the market or former users of another brand.

Some of those users will have come from Canon. People on this site have and others have done straw polls to get an idea of how many Sony FF mirrorless users have come from Canon. Just given the shear numbers of Canon users it would stand to reason that more of them would come from Canon than other brands.

robblackett wrote:

Silvex wrote:

...who has pealed off more Canon users than any other brand. And Sony has shown a willingness to offer the A73 at $2K even without Canon having a FF product on the market. Sony also has a short product upgrade cycle. So it's not out of the question that Sony will have released an additional body or two in 12 months time.

If Sony has pealed (sic) off more Canon users than any other brand how would you explain the fact that Sony's market share hasn't changed but Canon's has increased?

An of course Canon many release a couple new products too. But it's hard to imagine any scenario where the R is selling at a premium to the A73.

Just my $0.02.

The statement that more people have left Canon for Sony than for Nikon or Pentax or Fujifilm or Panasonic or Olympus or Leica is not inconsistent with Canon's market share having increased.  People change cameras as their needs change and new people are always coming into the market.

I would certainly be prepared to pay a lot more for a 30 megapixel camera that took all my lenses as if natively and had a decent touchscreen than for a 24 megapixel camera that didn't.  If I were starting from scratch I would compare the cost of a decent outfit rather than just the basic camera.

The Fat Fish wrote:

MolecularMan wrote:

The short answer is: It depends on how it sells.

Canon isn't going to lower the price much if they don't have to. The 6dII was really a huge disappointment and almost universally panned. It was and is kind of a crappy upgrade from the 6d.

I could see Canon doing a bundle with the basic adapter for 1999, but I don't see the price going lower unless they have really poor sales - which I highly doubt.

Personally, the Sony A73 would need to drop in price under 1500 for me to consider it.

I think the EOS R has a tough market. It's pretty much what a 6DII should have been but I think that moment has passed for many potential 6DII buyers. Many will have left Canon, some would have got the 5DIV and some would have reluctantly purchased the 6D.

In my opinion though it's what the 6DII should have been in 2017 and against the A7III and Z6 it's not a very compelling option. I guess they are relying on EF lens owners?

Most buyers are not doing the type of complicated calculus that you just did, comparing all sorts of models from different brands and times.

The largest target market for this mirrorless is indeed the large existing Canon user base, in a shrinking camera market.

And contrary to the myths of the internet, most people do not switch brands...it's too costly in terms of money and time and hassle.

The way most prospective customers of the new EOS R will judge is this: Oh, look, Canon has put out a mirrorless. Will it work with my EF lenses?  Is this a good and compelling product?  And the answer is yes.

diness wrote:

Thoughts R Us wrote:

The Fat Fish wrote:

MolecularMan wrote:

The short answer is: It depends on how it sells.

Canon isn't going to lower the price much if they don't have to. The 6dII was really a huge disappointment and almost universally panned. It was and is kind of a crappy upgrade from the 6d.

I could see Canon doing a bundle with the basic adapter for 1999, but I don't see the price going lower unless they have really poor sales - which I highly doubt.

Personally, the Sony A73 would need to drop in price under 1500 for me to consider it.

I think the EOS R has a tough market. It's pretty much what a 6DII should have been but I think that moment has passed for many potential 6DII buyers. Many will have left Canon, some would have got the 5DIV and some would have reluctantly purchased the 6D.

In my opinion though it's what the 6DII should have been in 2017 and against the A7III and Z6 it's not a very compelling option. I guess they are relying on EF lens owners?

Most buyers are not doing the type of complicated calculus that you just did, comparing all sorts of models from different brands and times.

The largest target market for this mirrorless is indeed the large existing Canon user base, in a shrinking camera market.

And contrary to the myths of the internet, most people do not switch brands...it's too costly in terms of money and time and hassle.

The way most prospective customers of the new EOS R will judge is this: Oh, look, Canon has put out a mirrorless. Will it work with my EF lenses? Is this a good and compelling product? And the answer is yes.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61608188

This poll would suggest otherwise

This one was even worse.  That said, how representative are poll voters on online camera websites of the actual customers?  Most would argue that those of us who participate in online camera forums are far from representative.  Kind of like using an NRA poll to see how Americans feel about gun control.

I've got a 77d and a few EF-s lenses.

I'll wait until the reviews are out on the EOS R, and then wait until copies start to show up in the Canon factory-refurbished online store.

If the price looks good, I may buy one with the kit lens, and get the control ring adapter for my EF-s lenses.

diness wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

diness wrote:

Thoughts R Us wrote:

The Fat Fish wrote:

MolecularMan wrote:

The short answer is: It depends on how it sells.

Canon isn't going to lower the price much if they don't have to. The 6dII was really a huge disappointment and almost universally panned. It was and is kind of a crappy upgrade from the 6d.

I could see Canon doing a bundle with the basic adapter for 1999, but I don't see the price going lower unless they have really poor sales - which I highly doubt.

Personally, the Sony A73 would need to drop in price under 1500 for me to consider it.

I think the EOS R has a tough market. It's pretty much what a 6DII should have been but I think that moment has passed for many potential 6DII buyers. Many will have left Canon, some would have got the 5DIV and some would have reluctantly purchased the 6D.

In my opinion though it's what the 6DII should have been in 2017 and against the A7III and Z6 it's not a very compelling option. I guess they are relying on EF lens owners?

Most buyers are not doing the type of complicated calculus that you just did, comparing all sorts of models from different brands and times.

The largest target market for this mirrorless is indeed the large existing Canon user base, in a shrinking camera market.

And contrary to the myths of the internet, most people do not switch brands...it's too costly in terms of money and time and hassle.

The way most prospective customers of the new EOS R will judge is this: Oh, look, Canon has put out a mirrorless. Will it work with my EF lenses? Is this a good and compelling product? And the answer is yes.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61608188

This poll would suggest otherwise

This one was even worse. That said, how representative are poll voters on online camera websites of the actual customers? Most would argue that those of us who participate in online camera forums are far from representative.

For a first generation full frame mirrorless camera? Honestly, I think the type of people who would buy this camera are totally the type who are on a forum like this. I’m guessing we represent quite well actually

How many people will buy that camera and how many post in this forum?  I'm thinking the ratio of the latter to the former is a very, very small number.

Silvex wrote:

...and what you are measuring. If we are talking FF interchangeable lens cameras in the US:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/0947201864/sony-claims-top-spot-in-full-frame-interchangeable-lens-camera-sales

https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-claims-top-spot-in-us-full-frame-camera-market

Are we talking mirrorless FF market? Right now Canon has a 0% market share in FF mirrorless. Sony started with a 0% share and is now on top. Sony going from 0% to#1 is a much greater change than Canon staying at 0% market share. All of Sony's FF mirrorless users were either new to the market or former users of another brand.

If that is what we are discussing  But if total ILC sales is a more relevant yardstick of the state of the camera market then Sony has remained static and Canon has increased.  It's of course good that there is a new market segment that hopefully will attract new consumers.  However the danger for Sony is that with Canon, Nikon and possibly Panasonic entering this segment that the segment will not grow fast enough for Sony to retain its market share and effectively the only way is down.

Some of those users will have come from Canon. People on this site have and others have done straw polls to get an idea of how many Sony FF mirrorless users have come from Canon. Just given the shear numbers of Canon users it would stand to reason that more of them would come from Canon than other brands.