No more shooting with hood in reverse position?

I've just took note of the fact that the control ring on genuine RF lenses is always located at the foremost part of the lens:

Before this moment, the hood in reverse position usually blocked only manual focusing. I like shooting with reverse hood, and I hated the foremost placement of zoom ring in my Tamron 70-300 mm lens, so I had to employ the push-pull zoom technique with that lens.

But now, with RF lenses you'll simply lose access to a certain camera setting until you remove the hood. Alternatively, you'll need to have two dials assigned to the same setting, or simply set the Lens Control Ring to OFF.

I wonder, if other people value shooting with stored hood as much as me, or it's just a minor inconvenience, doesn't worth mentioning?

Stick to using EF lenses with the conrol ring adapter and you’ll be fine.

Seriously, though, it is a feature that you can chose to use or, if you value using a hood in reverse so much, not use. Just disable it and pretend the functionality isn’t there. Adjust exposure compensation by pressing set and using a dial like you do now (or whatever). Hard to see how it could be a “major inconvenience” not to have the benefit of an feature that you currently do not have.

voronspb wrote:

But now, with RF lenses you'll simply lose access to a certain camera setting until you remove the hood. Alternatively, you'll need to have two dials assigned to the same setting, or simply set the Lens Control Ring to OFF.

According to docs, by default the control ring performs no function. So if you reverse the hood you are not losing any camera setting function.

If you assign a function to the control ring and then want to shoot with the hood reversed, then you are blocking access to a function that you assigned.

Silvex wrote:

...with the hood reversed? Why not just leave the hood in the bag or in the closet? Is there something I'm missing out on?

The camera bag or lens pouch may appear too small for the lens with hood in shooting position. I normally store the hoods on my lenses, so when I take the camera or lens from the closet, the hood is always there, attached in reverse position.

I never leave the lens hood at home since my '2011 Iceland trip, when I had lots of images ruined with water drops on filter. For that trip, I left the hood at home, because on old EF 24-70/2.8L it was really enormous in size.

NRBlack wrote:

According to docs, by default the control ring performs no function. So if you reverse the hood you are not losing any camera setting function.

If you assign a function to the control ring and then want to shoot with the hood reversed, then you are blocking access to a function that you assigned.

Looks reasonable, but isn't the Lens Control Ring the major selling point of the system?

voronspb wrote:

Looks reasonable, but isn't the Lens Control Ring the major selling point of the system?

"The major" may be a strong phrase. Camera UI customization I would certainly say is a big marketing point and the control ring is a new customizable control dial previously unavailable in EOS. In the EOS R the body only has two dials and the ring if basically a 50% increase of available dials.

I think that control dial is going to be pretty personal. Canon is putting it out at the front of the lens. Personally, my hand is not out that far so a hand move may be involved. Maybe a finger move would work. Maybe you just hold the lens a tad different. I think you gotta live with it to really ultimately know how you feel.

Silvex wrote:

For me too. But I always shoot with the hood facing forward.

I do not. Only when I need extra protection against rain or sun, or there's a risk of physical contact with people nearby. Also when using the oversized bag, sometimes I substitute the lens cap by a hood in shooting position to save time. But generally I keep the hood in reverse position while shooting in casual environment.

voronspb wrote:

NRBlack wrote:

According to docs, by default the control ring performs no function. So if you reverse the hood you are not losing any camera setting function.

If you assign a function to the control ring and then want to shoot with the hood reversed, then you are blocking access to a function that you assigned.

Looks reasonable, but isn't the Lens Control Ring the major selling point of the system?

LOL, no!

I don't have the R camera, but from what I gather so far:

You don't lose access to any camera setting, as there's no camera setting exclusive to the control ring.  Every camera setting can be accessed some other way.

Seriously, dude.   Turn the lens hood forward when you put the lens on the camera.   You'll be glad you did.

I use dedicated lens cases and the hoods stay at the bottom of case unless needed. Then again, I don't carry more than 2 or 3 lenses at any given time.

Thanks everybody for your votes and useful replies, now I see that this is a minor inconvenience, if any at all!

voronspb wrote:

NRBlack wrote:

According to docs, by default the control ring performs no function. So if you reverse the hood you are not losing any camera setting function.

If you assign a function to the control ring and then want to shoot with the hood reversed, then you are blocking access to a function that you assigned.

Looks reasonable, but isn't the Lens Control Ring the major selling point of the system?

No. I find it gimmicky. A zoom with two rings presents problems every now and then when I am intent on the VF and do not want to take my eye away. Imagine three rings now.

The selling point of the lenses is the big jump in IQ.

Rick Knepper wrote:
The selling point of the lenses is the big jump in IQ.

Not so sure about IQ prior to independent tests. Recently Canon has released a number of unexciting normal lenses (like 24-105/4L II).

50/1.2 and 28-70/2 are unique lenses, that's why they will be sold well (for their price). 35/1.8 and 24-105/4 are popular models by definition.

StefanD wrote:

I'm honestly interested: Why do you prefer to shoot with the hood reversed instead of using it as designed?

I do cycling and hiking with my camera. Normally it's stored inside the bag; when I see something, I stop, remove the camera from the bag and take several frames. If the bag is not large enough to accommodate the camera with hood in working position, I don't put it on to save time. There's little sense in attaching and then detaching the hood just to make 1-2 frames. Unless there's a real need, like rain or shooting against the light.

The same applies to shooting at home, where using the hood is also not necessary for protection, as opposed to quick engagement of camera. But I don't remove it from the camera in most cases, because storing in reverse position is fine for me, and also it leaves option of engaging the hood when necessary.

On my 8-15mm Fisheye lens I fixed the lens cap on hood semi-permanently, as the cap lock is really weak, prone to come off inside the bag, with possible disaster to the front element. Instead, I use the button lock on hood (it's very secure) and remove it together with the cap.