DPReview.com is closing April 10th - Find out more

"Sigma SD1 Merrill not good for scanning negatives/slides"

Started Sep 10, 2018 | Discussions
OP DrTebi New Member • Posts: 16
Re: "Sigma SD1 Merrill not good for scanning negatives/slides"
3

sambaba wrote:

I enjoyed the imacon scanner we had at the university.

i tried a Nikon D800e some years ago and was disappointed. The setup wasn't good.
Did you tried much more, like stiched from 6 oder 10 shots? Want to see the single grain and color dyes

~32mb, just for the grain. should be iso 400 bw negative.

100%, scanned @ 3000pdi i think

I have also used a Nikon for DSLR scanning before (D810), and liked he results. The Sigma however produces crisper results in my opinion, which I believe is due to the Foveon sensor.

Doing stitching with 6 or 10 shots would only be possible with macro bellows or similar equipment, since most macro lenses will not go beyond 1:1 magnification. Therefore I usually just do a "one-shot" for 35mm film, and 4 or 6 for medium format. For me that's plenty.

What does certainly make a big difference is the light—the more, and the more even, the better. LEDs with very good CRI values are available now, and is what I would recommend.

Happy scanning!

JohnK Veteran Member • Posts: 7,176
Re: "Sigma SD1 Merrill not good for scanning negatives/slides"

Hey Dr Tebi, I’m confused, so is it good or not good? It says not good, but the sample pics look alright. What about the QH? I was going to use it to scan some slides I made in the 70’s but don’t want to waste my time if Sigmas are no good for this. Should I use my other camera instead? I’m going to use a tripod and a lightbox, how do you think that would work? Will the files be good enough to print at 12x18?

-- hide signature --

JohnK
Off the record.

 JohnK's gear list:JohnK's gear list
Sony Alpha NEX-5 Sony Alpha NEX-5N Sony a6300 Sigma sd Quattro H Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM +20 more
D Cox Forum Pro • Posts: 32,979
Re: "Sigma SD1 Merrill not good for scanning negatives/slides"
1

JohnK wrote:

Hey Dr Tebi, I’m confused, so is it good or not good? It says not good, but the sample pics look alright. What about the QH? I was going to use it to scan some slides I made in the 70’s but don’t want to waste my time if Sigmas are no good for this. Should I use my other camera instead? I’m going to use a tripod and a lightbox, how do you think that would work? Will the files be good enough to print at 12x18?

I scanned all my 35mm slides with a NEX-5N, and in most cases I think the results are fine. I used the HDR mode to deal with the high contrast of slides.

Some time I may do some of them again with either the sdQH or the fp, but I don't expect a big improvement if any, except perhaps for Kodachromes.

B&W negs require higher resolution than the NEX-5N can offer, as you want to resolve the grain. I bought the sdQH mainly for scanning 35mm B&W and the results are completely satisfactory. By that time, I had already done all the slides, but I did a few tests with the sdQH and the results were OK. This was back in 2017, and I can get better colour from the sdQH now than I could then.

These are from 1970s Tri-X. Note the fine lines on the radiator grill at extreme left -- these were not resolved by the NEX-5N.

This is from Kodachrome. sdQH camera, Olympus OM 80mm macro lens on bellows.

Don

 D Cox's gear list:D Cox's gear list
Sigma fp
JohnK Veteran Member • Posts: 7,176
Re: "Sigma SD1 Merrill not good for scanning negatives/slides"

Thanks Don, those scans look great. I think the high resolution of the QH will be an advantage. I will first do some comparisons with my other camera (a6300). I wonder why OP said SD1 was not good?

-- hide signature --

JohnK
Off the record.

 JohnK's gear list:JohnK's gear list
Sony Alpha NEX-5 Sony Alpha NEX-5N Sony a6300 Sigma sd Quattro H Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM +20 more
D Cox Forum Pro • Posts: 32,979
Re: "Sigma SD1 Merrill not good for scanning negatives/slides"

JohnK wrote:

Thanks Don, those scans look great. I think the high resolution of the QH will be an advantage. I will first do some comparisons with my other camera (a6300). I wonder why OP said SD1 was not good?

Maybe his SD1 wasn't focussing accurately ?

Definitely try the A6300 for slides. See if you prefer the colours.

Don

 D Cox's gear list:D Cox's gear list
Sigma fp
joe173 Contributing Member • Posts: 590
Re: "Sigma SD1 Merrill not good for scanning negatives/slides"

JohnK wrote:

Hey Dr Tebi, I’m confused, so is it good or not good? It says not good, but the sample pics look alright. What about the QH? I was going to use it to scan some slides I made in the 70’s but don’t want to waste my time if Sigmas are no good for this. Should I use my other camera instead? I’m going to use a tripod and a lightbox, how do you think that would work? Will the files be good enough to print at 12x18?

What film were you using and how dirty are the slides? And how many slides is "some"?

Answers to this will determine whether a camera scan is appropriate. The issue with a real scanner is threefold. First, it will usually have higher dmax values. Second, it will have an infrared channel to clean out dust and scratches, and third, it will have some way to calibrate the film color. Many slides will come out bluish or purple when in fact the color is ok on the slide. Some slides have color fading which can be fixed by the software if it isn't too severe. Resolution. Some slides have 10-15 effective MP, others can have up to 140mp in 35mm*. It depends on which equipment and how carefully it was taken. You know what equipment you used. The sigma won't get all the detail in the higher-end images. No scan will be as sharp as the projected slide, however.

* https://www.anatomyfilms.com/kodachrome-king-dead/

Fixing all these things on your own with a camera is time-consuming, especially for older slides. I recommend remounting the slides and cleaning them first in a chemical solution made for film. Do it outside. The smell is strong.

Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads