Fuji X70 or XF 10?

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ktmei Contributing Member • Posts: 783
Fuji X70 or XF 10?

While almost everyone is going nuts over the new releases of the mirrorless cameras, I'm sitting here pondering over a portable compact camera that will be light to carry.

Title says it all, should I go for the X70 or the XF 10?

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dmaclau Senior Member • Posts: 2,946
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?

I tried the XF10 but it didn't work for me.  However I suspect a lot of it is me.  Touch screens seem to hold opportunities for photographers, and perhaps do for some.  One thing to keep in mind is that you always touch the screen, particularly on a small pocketable camera.  Every time I touched the screen it changed things.  My focus point would be in one of the corners, my JPG simulation would be changed, I'd be in M focus and so on.

Disabling the touch screen dramatically reduces the function "button" points and thus changes the nature of the camera.

One other thing, was a major concern.  I at first believed I was getting a slight bit of motion blur but it turned out that the images were very very soft.  This didn't seem to happen all the time surprisingly but it happened often.

I don't know for sure but believe the 18mm lens is different to the X70.

I had high hopes.

I'm looking for a good used GRii that I might try without spending all of my money.

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averageguy Regular Member • Posts: 315
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?

dmaclau wrote:

I tried the XF10 but it didn't work for me. However I suspect a lot of it is me. Touch screens seem to hold opportunities for photographers, and perhaps do for some. One thing to keep in mind is that you always touch the screen, particularly on a small pocketable camera. Every time I touched the screen it changed things. My focus point would be in one of the corners, my JPG simulation would be changed, I'd be in M focus and so on.

Disabling the touch screen dramatically reduces the function "button" points and thus changes the nature of the camera.

One other thing, was a major concern. I at first believed I was getting a slight bit of motion blur but it turned out that the images were very very soft. This didn't seem to happen all the time surprisingly but it happened often.

I don't know for sure but believe the 18mm lens is different to the X70.

I had high hopes.

I'm looking for a good used GRii that I might try without spending all of my money.

ive seen people suggest it’s the same lens...so it’s interesting to hear your thoughts.

re touch screen I’ve turned off the touch  focus on my xe3 but the swiping remains operable and it’s an application I use a lot .. presumably it’s the same on the XF10 and if so that touch screen still has its uses

KKJohn
KKJohn Senior Member • Posts: 1,131
My use of the XF10 in the last few weeks
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dmaclau wrote:

I tried the XF10 but it didn't work for me. However I suspect a lot of it is me. Touch screens seem to hold opportunities for photographers, and perhaps do for some. One thing to keep in mind is that you always touch the screen, particularly on a small pocketable camera. Every time I touched the screen it changed things. My focus point would be in one of the corners, my JPG simulation would be changed, I'd be in M focus and so on.

Disabling the touch screen dramatically reduces the function "button" points and thus changes the nature of the camera.

One other thing, was a major concern. I at first believed I was getting a slight bit of motion blur but it turned out that the images were very very soft. This didn't seem to happen all the time surprisingly but it happened often.

I don't know for sure but believe the 18mm lens is different to the X70.

I had high hopes.

I'm looking for a good used GRii that I might try without spending all of my money.

I have both X70 and XF10. The X70 I've had for almost 2 years and have used it as my carry everywhere camera. Has been great for everyday use and street. But have been waiting for the X80 to come out and was hoping the XF10 was that.

But it is not unfortunately, tho does have some upgraded and useful features. I've been using the XF10 for a few weeks now, and it has good and bad points. I've put away the X70 for the time being as I wanted to concentrate on the XF10. The good points include the snap shot, tho wish there was a 1m distance on it. I'm still trying to get comfortable with it as I've never used a GRii. I assigned it to the Fn button which disables the MF mode which I use a lot. Not too big a problem, once you realize it, as is easy to get out of Snap shot, but just a bit annoying. I'm still not used to the touch screen features and in fact recently have disabled it, tho do use it when I want to get into MF, which works well, better than the XT100 which I tried for a while but didn't like. One problem on the XF10 is that the focus point seems to change down into one corner. This is annoying and have to use the joy stick to get the focus back to the middle. I've also been using the auto mode (SR+) which has been useful, and seems better than the X70 and other Fuji X cameras. It is reasonably quick and in good light it is very good. However in many situations it goes down to 1/30 or 1/25 which for this old fogey with unsteady hands can be a problem. The minimum speed should be at least 1/60. Hope Fuji can fix this in an update. Also, in some of the other auto modes the same thing. So I've been going back to Aperture mode, which is my preferred shooting style anyway, and this works much better, particularly in low light.

But the XF10 has some neat features and when used as a P&S it is fun to use. Some of the filters are interesting to use and the camera is generally pretty responsive. The IQ seems pretty good, tho is indeed a little soft, more than the X70 IMO. But I'm not a pixel peeper so not too worried. For a street camera it has been good but Fuji still has a ways to go to get it up to a really useful standard, hopefully approaching the X100 series quality without the expense. Still it is great to have a camera that's not too expensive with good IQ that I can whip out of my pocket at any time and snap away with every chance of success in capturing useful and fun images.

Still doesn't have the WOW factor that my original Fuji camera, the X10, had, but glad Fuji is continuing to produce these types of cameras and not just the higher end XT3s. And I will stick with my XT10 and my few nice lenses, primes (35/1.4 and 60), plus my XC kit zooms, 16-50 and 50-230, (a great long zoom!)  for situations when I need better IQ out on special shoots. If I win the lottery, perhaps I would consider the XT3 or the X100F, but will wait for the X80 or some such camera which I hope will be next on Fuji's list, and I will buy it in a heartbeat.

Just a few thoughts on my use of the XF10 during the last month, on my 3 month vacation in B.C., Canada and will definitely keep using it as my street camera. Will post some images when I get them organized. But will also keep the X70 as it is a very useful camera, at least until the X80 comes out!

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richheath Forum Member • Posts: 61
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?
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I've found myself in the same boat, as I have an RX100 M3 that I just don't like. Nothing against it technically; it takes fine photos, it just doesn't encourage me to want to use it. I've loved Fujis from the first moment I clapped eyes on my X-E1 so I thought about the 2 Fuji options and considered what I've liked about the X series cameras I've had: X10, X-E1, X-E2, X100 (original). The main thing I love about these cameras is all the controls that you have to hand. If I want to check what aperture I'm using, it's right there on the ring. Shutter speed? check! Exposure compensation? Check! My problem with the XF10 is that it doesn't have all of this and that ruled it out for me. I like to see what I'm doing at a glance, especially if I'm trying to be quick and the X70 allows me to shoot confidently, knowing everything is as I've set it. It also feels like a 'real camera' - I've not felt the XF10, but it doesn't look like it would necessarily give you that feeling.

In my short time with it, the X70 has been an absolute joy and a reason to go out with the camera, rather than simply wanting a camera to hand. I feel I've been more creative that I would have otherwise been. The 28mm equivalent FOV allows you to do some interesting things - much more so than 35mm or 50mm. You have to be right in the middle of the action to fill the frame and that energy comes off in the photos!

I'm replacing my X-E2 with an X-T2 shortly too (cheap) so I'll be a very happy photographer!

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averageguy Regular Member • Posts: 315
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?
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richheath wrote:

I've found myself in the same boat, as I have an RX100 M3 that I just don't like. Nothing against it technically; it takes fine photos, it just doesn't encourage me to want to use it. I've loved Fujis from the first moment I clapped eyes on my X-E1 so I thought about the 2 Fuji options and considered what I've liked about the X series cameras I've had: X10, X-E1, X-E2, X100 (original). The main thing I love about these cameras is all the controls that you have to hand. If I want to check what aperture I'm using, it's right there on the ring. Shutter speed? check! Exposure compensation? Check! My problem with the XF10 is that it doesn't have all of this and that ruled it out for me. I like to see what I'm doing at a glance, especially if I'm trying to be quick and the X70 allows me to shoot confidently, knowing everything is as I've set it. It also feels like a 'real camera' - I've not felt the XF10, but it doesn't look like it would necessarily give you that feeling.

In my short time with it, the X70 has been an absolute joy and a reason to go out with the camera, rather than simply wanting a camera to hand. I feel I've been more creative that I would have otherwise been. The 28mm equivalent FOV allows you to do some interesting things - much more so than 35mm or 50mm. You have to be right in the middle of the action to fill the frame and that energy comes off in the photos!

I'm replacing my X-E2 with an X-T2 shortly too (cheap) so I'll be a very happy photographer!

Ive found its handling better than the x70

Sal Baker Forum Pro • Posts: 11,495
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?

ktmei wrote:

While almost everyone is going nuts over the new releases of the mirrorless cameras, I'm sitting here pondering over a portable compact camera that will be light to carry.

Title says it all, should I go for the X70 or the XF 10?

I love APS-C pocket cams, probably 80 percent of my work is shot with one.  My GR II is not getting any younger, but Fuji just hasn't wowed me with their solutions.

Rumors are finally circulating that the much anticipated GR III will be released at the end of this month with a faster version of the Ricoh super sharp lens and a new sensor/processor.  You might want to wait a few days and see if this is true.  If it's not announced, I'm thinking I'll get a new GR II until something else comes along.

Sal

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averageguy Regular Member • Posts: 315
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?
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I’ve had a GRii lovely camera but I prefer to stick to one system and the XF10 suits my needs

Sal Baker wrote:

ktmei wrote:

While almost everyone is going nuts over the new releases of the mirrorless cameras, I'm sitting here pondering over a portable compact camera that will be light to carry.

Title says it all, should I go for the X70 or the XF 10?

I love APS-C pocket cams, probably 80 percent of my work is shot with one. My GR II is not getting any younger, but Fuji just hasn't wowed me with their solutions.

Rumors are finally circulating that the much anticipated GR III will be released at the end of this month with a faster version of the Ricoh super sharp lens and a new sensor/processor. You might want to wait a few days and see if this is true. If it's not announced, I'm thinking I'll get a new GR II until something else comes along.

Sal

John Gellings
John Gellings Veteran Member • Posts: 7,093
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?
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Light...well, the XF10 is lighter.

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John Gellings
John Gellings Veteran Member • Posts: 7,093
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?
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dmaclau wrote:

I tried the XF10 but it didn't work for me. However I suspect a lot of it is me. Touch screens seem to hold opportunities for photographers, and perhaps do for some. One thing to keep in mind is that you always touch the screen, particularly on a small pocketable camera. Every time I touched the screen it changed things. My focus point would be in one of the corners, my JPG simulation would be changed, I'd be in M focus and so on.

Turn it off...

Disabling the touch screen dramatically reduces the function "button" points and thus changes the nature of the camera.

but for a positive to you right?

One other thing, was a major concern. I at first believed I was getting a slight bit of motion blur but it turned out that the images were very very soft. This didn't seem to happen all the time surprisingly but it happened often.

I don't buy this...

I don't know for sure but believe the 18mm lens is different to the X70.

Fuji ambassadors have said it isn't...

I had high hopes.

I'm looking for a good used GRii that I might try without spending all of my money.

Wait until the end of September... the GR3 in rumored.

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John Gellings
John Gellings Veteran Member • Posts: 7,093
Re: My use of the XF10 in the last few weeks

KKJohn wrote:

dmaclau wrote:

I tried the XF10 but it didn't work for me. However I suspect a lot of it is me. Touch screens seem to hold opportunities for photographers, and perhaps do for some. One thing to keep in mind is that you always touch the screen, particularly on a small pocketable camera. Every time I touched the screen it changed things. My focus point would be in one of the corners, my JPG simulation would be changed, I'd be in M focus and so on.

Disabling the touch screen dramatically reduces the function "button" points and thus changes the nature of the camera.

One other thing, was a major concern. I at first believed I was getting a slight bit of motion blur but it turned out that the images were very very soft. This didn't seem to happen all the time surprisingly but it happened often.

I don't know for sure but believe the 18mm lens is different to the X70.

I had high hopes.

I'm looking for a good used GRii that I might try without spending all of my money.

I have both X70 and XF10. The X70 I've had for almost 2 years and have used it as my carry everywhere camera. Has been great for everyday use and street. But have been waiting for the X80 to come out and was hoping the XF10 was that.

X80 is not coming... Sorry, but they will not make two 28mm compacts.

But it is not unfortunately, tho does have some upgraded and useful features. I've been using the XF10 for a few weeks now, and it has good and bad points. I've put away the X70 for the time being as I wanted to concentrate on the XF10. The good points include the snap shot, tho wish there was a 1m distance on it. I'm still trying to get comfortable with it as I've never used a GRii. I assigned it to the Fn button which disables the MF mode which I use a lot. Not too big a problem, once you realize it, as is easy to get out of Snap shot, but just a bit annoying. I'm still not used to the touch screen features and in fact recently have disabled it, tho do use it when I want to get into MF, which works well, better than the XT100 which I tried for a while but didn't like. One problem on the XF10 is that the focus point seems to change down into one corner. This is annoying and have to use the joy stick to get the focus back to the middle.

You can lock the point...

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John Gellings
John Gellings Veteran Member • Posts: 7,093
Re: Fuji X70 or XF 10?
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richheath wrote:

The main thing I love about these cameras is all the controls that you have to hand. If I want to check what aperture I'm using, it's right there on the ring. Shutter speed? check! Exposure compensation? Check! My problem with the XF10 is that it doesn't have all of this and that ruled it out for me. I like to see what I'm doing at a glance, especially if I'm trying to be quick and the X70 allows me to shoot confidently, knowing everything is as I've set it.

True...

It also feels like a 'real camera' - I've not felt the XF10, but it doesn't look like it would necessarily give you that feeling.

Why not?  It isn't THAT cheap...

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