DPReview.com is closing April 10th - Find out more

Old Technique

Started Sep 7, 2018 | Discussions
uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Old Technique

Back in the film days, I had a Kodak book which talked about taking a series of three pictures through different color filters (RGB if my deficient memory is still working). Whatever was stationary for all three of the exposures was rendered correctly, while anything that moved was rendered in either R, G or B (or combinations thereof).

Does anyone remember the name of that technique? The filters involved (although I might be able to google that if I know the process name)?

I can remember examples of trees and water ripples in the book.

Thanks in advance.

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
Tom Axford Forum Pro • Posts: 10,067
Re: Old Technique

Interesting technique.  I have never come across it before, but it should work with R, G and B colour separation filters.

It would be interesting to see an example of it done with a digital camera.  Rather than use multi-exposure, it should be possible to take three separate images and combine them later in pp.

OP uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: Old Technique

Exactly why I am trying to rediscover the process!  And to experiment both ways (never did it way back when).

Tom Axford wrote:

Interesting technique. I have never come across it before, but it should work with R, G and B colour separation filters.

It would be interesting to see an example of it done with a digital camera. Rather than use multi-exposure, it should be possible to take three separate images and combine them later in pp.

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
Holger Bargen Veteran Member • Posts: 4,906
Re: Old Technique

uncleskull wrote:

Back in the film days, I had a Kodak book which talked about taking a series of three pictures through different color filters (RGB if my deficient memory is still working). Whatever was stationary for all three of the exposures was rendered correctly, while anything that moved was rendered in either R, G or B (or combinations thereof).

Does anyone remember the name of that technique? The filters involved (although I might be able to google that if I know the process name)?

I can remember examples of trees and water ripples in the book.

Thanks in advance.

If you take a photo with a digital camera your sensor will gather the colour nformation from 3 sensor types seperatelly: each pixel has at least on red sensor, one blue and one green sensor. At least if you have a Bayer sensor.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/camera-sensors.htm

With many viewer or post-processing programms you can split up the information of each colour channel. The simplest program I know is Irfan View.

I don't see an advantage over the technique you describe - escept you have a camera that follows a strange colour management concept:

https://petapixel.com/2017/03/03/x-trans-vs-bayer-sensors-fantastic-claims-test/

For these cameras your technique may help to get clear information patterns for each colour seperately without the shortcomings of the sensor type.

Best regards

Holger

 Holger Bargen's gear list:Holger Bargen's gear list
Pentax K-5 Pentax K-S1 Pentax K-1 Pentax smc DA 55-300mm F4.0-5.8 ED Sigma 70mm F2.8 EX DG Macro +7 more
Tom Axford Forum Pro • Posts: 10,067
Re: Old Technique
2

Holger Bargen wrote:

If you take a photo with a digital camera your sensor will gather the colour nformation from 3 sensor types seperatelly: each pixel has at least on red sensor, one blue and one green sensor. At least if you have a Bayer sensor.

Actually, it shouldn't matter what type of sensor is used.  The digital image can be separated into R, G and B channels, so it should be possible to take three separate images without any filters on the camera.  Then combine the three images by taking the R channel of the first, the G channel of the second and the B channel of the third.

I've never tried it, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work just as well as using filters over the lens.  In fact, it may possibly be better.  It's certainly easier and quicker to take the three images.

RobinHsherwood
RobinHsherwood Senior Member • Posts: 1,173
Re: Old Technique

It was called the tricolor technique. I tried it, worked a treat! I used Gelatin filters by Wratten, they were designated for tri-color separations (i.e. the dye transfer printing process) I used #25 red, #47 blue and #58 green. Below is a link describing the process;

https://www.adorama.com/alc/0008199/article/The-Tricolor-Effect

As Tom mentioned, you can probably achieve this without filters using a digital camera.

-- hide signature --

Robin H

 RobinHsherwood's gear list:RobinHsherwood's gear list
Sony Alpha DSLR-A850 Sony a77 II Sony 24-70mm F2.8 ZA SSM Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* Sony 70-400mm F4-5.6 G SSM Sony 500mm F8 Reflex +44 more
OP uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: Old Technique

Figured it would be a 25 Red Filter (great for B/W skies).  As others have said, taking the individual R, G and B channels of three separate pictures should work.  Will experiment with that.

This is akin to three additive darkroom exposures to make color prints.  Never did that; stuck with the subtractive YMC process.

Thanks everyone for your input!

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
artichokes Regular Member • Posts: 127
Re: Old Technique

Are you maybe thinking of the "Harris shutter effect"?

OP uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: Old Technique

That's the name I was looking for!  Thank you.  Until others suggested, never thought of combining individual RGB channels from from three exposures to achieve the effect.  That's my trouble, I still think "film."

A quick google revealed a lot of info on the subject.  Haven't had time to play (and out of town now), but will do some reading and try to experiment this week.

Thanks again!

artichokes wrote:

Are you maybe thinking of the "Harris shutter effect"?

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
artichokes Regular Member • Posts: 127
Re: Old Technique

Happy to be of service! Have a great day!

Mark S Abeln
Mark S Abeln Forum Pro • Posts: 19,539
Example
1

I was playing with these photos today. Pretty easy process in Photoshop: put three images in three layers, and set the layer channel properties to one color each.

 Mark S Abeln's gear list:Mark S Abeln's gear list
Nikon D200 Nikon D7000 Nikon D750 Canon EOS M5 Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm F1.8G +5 more
OP uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: Example

Thanks!

Mark Scott Abeln wrote:

I was playing with these photos today. Pretty easy process in Photoshop: put three images in three layers, and set the layer channel properties to one color each.

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
Dannno
Dannno Senior Member • Posts: 1,642
Re: Example
1

Harris Shutter is correct. I made one in the 1970's, and still have it. I don't recollect the filter numbers I used. The 3 filters are mounted in a strip, which slides into a sleeve mounted to the camera. Both ends of the strip are black. You lift the strip so the bottom black is blocking the lens. Set camera on bulb. Drop the strip, it acts as the shutter.

I only have this example accessible to me right now:

I use the devise on my Sony DSC-r1.

Dan

 Dannno's gear list:Dannno's gear list
Canon Pixma Pro-100
OP uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: Example

Thanks for the follow-up!  Love that prismatic effect in the flowing water.

Still haven't played with this yet.  Think I will start by trying combining RGB channels from different exposures.  Would love to come up the effect you have in your photo.

Flowing water might have to wait until spring in my neck of the woods (Green Bay, WI).

Be well.  Happy Thanksgiving!

Dannno wrote:

Harris Shutter is correct. I made one in the 1970's, and still have it. I don't recollect the filter numbers I used. The 3 filters are mounted in a strip, which slides into a sleeve mounted to the camera. Both ends of the strip are black. You lift the strip so the bottom black is blocking the lens. Set camera on bulb. Drop the strip, it acts as the shutter.

I only have this example accessible to me right now:

I use the devise on my Sony DSC-r1.

Dan

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
ChuckB Contributing Member • Posts: 850
Re: Old Technique

Just for fun, google 'three color strip technicolor'. How to make a color movie with three B&W film strips.

 ChuckB's gear list:ChuckB's gear list
Sony RX100 Sony RX100 III Sony RX10 III Sony Alpha NEX-5 Sony a77 II +3 more
OP uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: Old Technique

Never heard of that one.  Will look into that on Friday.

Happy Thanksgiving!

ChuckB wrote:

Just for fun, google 'three color strip technicolor'. How to make a color movie with three B&W film strips.

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
Dannno
Dannno Senior Member • Posts: 1,642
Re: my Harris Shutter
2

Here's my Harris Shutter:

 Dannno's gear list:Dannno's gear list
Canon Pixma Pro-100
OP uncleskull Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: my Harris Shutter

Exactly how I envisioned it!  Thanks for posting.

Have a happy Thanksgiving.

Dannno wrote:

Here's my Harris Shutter:

-- hide signature --

unc
~ The only things stopping us from reaching our goals are the limitations we place on ourselves ~

 uncleskull's gear list:uncleskull's gear list
Olympus E-10
Jim from MA Junior Member • Posts: 31
Re: Old Technique

I remember doing that myself in the late 60's, I think I read about it in one of the many photo magazines I got at the time. Unfortunately  I don't remember the name of it but it produced some interesting photos. I found that photographing fast moving streams produced the best results.

 Jim from MA's gear list:Jim from MA's gear list
Epson Artisan 725 Arctic
Dannno
Dannno Senior Member • Posts: 1,642
Re: Old Technique

Jim,

I got into photography in about 1973. I think I made the Harris Shutter around 1975-76. I think I saw an article in Popular Photography about it.

My experience was also that best results were with water shots.

Dan

 Dannno's gear list:Dannno's gear list
Canon Pixma Pro-100
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads