How the G90/95 should look (tried to design it).

dinoSnake wrote:

norman shearer wrote:

Every flagship model is popular here until the next one arrives - it's a given here. I know many moan about the G9 size/weight but it's surely a better fit if you are using the big pro lenses? I think people believe that beyond a certain size body you lose key advantages and other formats begin to look better and there is some truth in that - as long as you are fine with maintaining multiple systems.

What about those m43 users who want the best but rarely need big/heavy lenses? For them a G7/GX8-like body is perfect. They'd have to price it right of course!

To me the claim doesn't make much sense: if the GX7 was so unpopular, why continue the stylistic and design language influence into the GX80/85, plus creating the heir-apparent to the GX7, the GX9?

Neither model was asked for by members of this forum. Not at all. And that is the big difference between these and the GX7.

If you actively chase an expressed desire, you end up disappointed. If you just do your own thing and price it right, you get success.

The mFT camera which sold for the largest number of copies is something members of this forum would probably be ashamed to admit owning. It most certainly was not asked for by this forum.

norman shearer wrote:

dinoSnake wrote:

norman shearer wrote:

Every flagship model is popular here until the next one arrives - it's a given here. I know many moan about the G9 size/weight but it's surely a better fit if you are using the big pro lenses? I think people believe that beyond a certain size body you lose key advantages and other formats begin to look better and there is some truth in that - as long as you are fine with maintaining multiple systems.

What about those m43 users who want the best but rarely need big/heavy lenses? For them a G7/GX8-like body is perfect. They'd have to price it right of course!

To me the claim doesn't make much sense: if the GX7 was so unpopular, why continue the stylistic and design language influence into the GX80/85, plus creating the heir-apparent to the GX7, the GX9?

No I don't believe the GX7 was a flop either and I seem to recall it was quite expensive on release so may have been a good earner. The GX80 on the other hand was damned good value - probably to steer folks away from the Sony A6000. The GX9 is Panasonic's attempt at securing a higher profit margin again and it appears to be selling quite well though I personally would not have upgraded from the GX80 for such a premium price.

There is a place for a GX8 MK2 imo and a G8,,

The GX9 is very good value now in the UK (but you need to catch it quick) with a £150 cashback (25% off!) on an already reduced price ~1/2 year after initial release.

tt321 wrote:

Neither model was asked for by members of this forum. Not at all. And that is the big difference between these and the GX7.

If you actively chase an expressed desire, you end up disappointed. If you just do your own thing and price it right, you get success.

The mFT camera which sold for the largest number of copies is something members of this forum would probably be ashamed to admit owning. It most certainly was not asked for by this forum.

That would be interesting, but I have a suspicion that - for this forum, anyway - the EM5 series will rate very highly, if highest, of all m43 cameras overall.  Beyond that I have no idea, but note that I have happily owned my GX7 for a number of years now and added an EM5.2 a bit ago - and, between the two, I'll take my GX7 over the EM5.2 any day.

Then again, Olympus still cannot get my EM5.2 to actually work, so there's that...

dinoSnake wrote:

tt321 wrote:

Neither model was asked for by members of this forum. Not at all. And that is the big difference between these and the GX7.

If you actively chase an expressed desire, you end up disappointed. If you just do your own thing and price it right, you get success.

The mFT camera which sold for the largest number of copies is something members of this forum would probably be ashamed to admit owning. It most certainly was not asked for by this forum.

That would be interesting, but I have a suspicion that - for this forum, anyway - the EM5 series will rate very highly, if highest, of all m43 cameras overall. Beyond that I have no idea, but note that I have happily owned my GX7 for a number of years now and added an EM5.2 a bit ago - and, between the two, I'll take my GX7 over the EM5.2 any day.

Then again, Olympus still cannot get my EM5.2 to actually work, so there's that...

The original E-M5 was a classic example of something they dropped on the public without being asked madly by this forum. Just don't bother doing anything the forum asks. We like surprises

Jorginho wrote:

Not that my design is radical or fantastic in anyway. It is so simple and I tried to see if it would work on my GH4 or EM1.2 and it would be better.

G9 joystickposition seems okey for sure but still if you have only one hand to use, moving your thumb to the joystick position means you lose your grip and it becomes less ergonomic. Also: the space next to the EVF is crammed. It will work fine. Anyway: where I positioned it, it is a lot better from that perspective.

What could be possible is to make the AE/AFlock button a joystrick. Push it in and AF/AF is locked, move it and it is joystick? Don't know if people would like to use both at the same time, which of course would be impossible.

Some Ricoh point’n’shoot compacts had a little tactile joystick for the “OK” button - which you could push to get “OK” but otherwise could be rolled into several other uses.  It was quite intuitive in use.

However my point is that the “red video button” has become a specifically identified button like the marked “playback button”.  Users of the video features might want it better placed - those that do not “do” video and wish that it was right out of the way and/or could be used for something other than video.

On Panasonic bodies it has only two settings “on” and “off” and cannot be otherwise re-purposed.  So I set it to off and it is useless.  Even more useless is the fact that if it does get accidentally pressed when set “off” it at least does not rush off and start recording unwanted video but does come up with an annoying screen message telling the user that it is switched off - “yes, I know it is switched off - because I don’t need it!”. (Grrr)

So my solution is to do away with the video button entirely - red dot and everything and just have the usual Fn buttons wherever they can be fitted.  Make video capability assignable to any Fn button and let the user decide where the video Fn best fits for them or leave it out of the Fn button selection entirely. Everybody happy.