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Here's another one you might like at ISO6400. Commonly the high ISO levels are used when I have people or wildlife. That's because of the motion. If there's a landscape...of course...I'll slow the shutter speed down as low as practical. Without a tripod, sometimes I'll set the camera on something flat or brace the camera against a tree etc.

But for these birds that are hopping around...I got to have high shutter speeds. I don't have to wait for sunny days or summer. I can take these all day long in the shadows and during rainy or cloudy weather. That's important for me because of where I live.

I might as well show you one more....at ISO4000.

Digirame wrote:

From my experience, if you are happy with a DSLR you might want to stay with that for a while. Getting used to a mirrorless camera was challenging. I do like taking video with the mirrorless cameras because I can use the EVF with that (we can't do that with a DSLR). I also was able to change the video shut off/on button to the big shutter button on the mirrorless camera in the menu. That tiny button was harder to use.

i tried doing video with my T3i but found a camcorder back in the day was much more simple.  then canon came out with the STM lens and i knew that a step up rebel would be better some day over my camcorder.

some don't like the EVF but i find that a plus it saves a few steps in confirming our quality.

From a price standpoint, I think you would be happy with the Canon T7i (800D) camera or even the Canon T8i (850D). Because I now have so much more ISO room, I often just use the manual mode with AutoISO. Because the depth of field is important to me, stopping down the lens does that for me at any chosen focal length. When there's movement having a faster shutter speed helps. The ISO can move up or down to wherever it wants. I don't choose ISO3200, ISO4000, ISO5000 and ISO6400 etc. The camera chooses that for me. I was amazed at how I could use ISO levels above ISO1600 with that newer camera and still be happy. Yes, I'm sure if a person pixel peeks, there will be noise. But from a general viewing point, it sure looks nice.

i like auto ISO but go manual at times checking how a room lighting is affected by my ISO settings.  last weekend i had some shutter speed errors too slow, and that basically is another reason i am interested in higher ISO to boost those numbers when snap shooting without flash.

pixel peeping isn't an interest of mine, average people viewing don't do that anyway.

I'm not familiar enough with other brands and models to give you another recommendation. I think someday I'll get a full frame camera. I like seeing those images from people that show them, where there's so much detail and less noise.

been checking out your threads on a weekly basis, very good support for the rebel.

Is rare that I'll purposely choose high ISO levels (unless I'm demonstrating something). But when you need it, it is there. So I try to keep the ISO levels down, but there's times you just need that extra. For fun, one time I kept taking pictures with the camera while it was almost dark. Well, the images didn't look that good with that poor-almost-completely-dark lighting, but it was fun pushing it to see what I would get.

great. i think we should have fun with these cameras and see what they can do.  nowadays we can see usable images at 25 to 50 thousand, good enuf reason to upgrade IMHO.

The Canon 90D is nice...larger and heavier...it's got 32.5 mp...but more money.... That would be my next choice.

good choice.  i have also been looking at the 70D and 7Dll, seem to be a good value step up.

I agree...the EVF in the mirrorless camera is harder to use.  I brightened it as high as it could go in the menu.  If it takes up more power, that's OK.  I bring with me extra batteries.

But I do like taking video with the mirrorless camera using the EVF.  I can keep the camera steady and have good composition.  Like when I was videoing the Aztec dancers last weekend, I didn't have trouble seeing them.  When I was taking pictures with the Canon T7i using the LCD screen I would have to guess.

I don't remember all the details, but it seems to me that the difference between taking video with the Canon T3i (600D) and the Canon T7i (800D) is night and day.  When we upload our videos from the Canon T7i (800D) camera or the Canon M50 MKII to the hard drive, all you have to do is click it (using Windows).  It opens up automatically without any special software.  The video looks nice and the sound is pretty good too (straight out of the camera without an accessory).

Digirame wrote:

Here's another one you might like at ISO6400. Commonly the high ISO levels are used when I have people or wildlife. That's because of the motion. If there's a landscape...of course...I'll slow the shutter speed down as low as practical. Without a tripod, sometimes I'll set the camera on something flat or brace the camera against a tree etc.

But for these birds that are hopping around...I got to have high shutter speeds. I don't have to wait for sunny days or summer. I can take these all day long in the shadows and during rainy or cloudy weather. That's important for me because of where I live.

I might as well show you one more....at ISO4000.

those pictures are perfectly fine for casual shooting at high ISO. tonight i went out and shot some birds at ISO 3200 and with good results. the great advances in all cameras in the last 10 years is probably with higher ISO quality.

with most things i stay a generation or more behind and pick up the values available, and there certainly are a lot with photography. eventually i look forward to a mirrorless camera and have become fond of them since shooting bridge cameras for a few years. right now i am thinking about the FZ200 and FZ300 for those days of portable more casual shooting.

this was shot with my T3i at ISO 3200, noise is evident, but good enuf for me. i think the T7i may eliminate this noise?

your Tamron lens is probably superior to my Canon 55-250, but i intend to stay on the lower end lens in the near future.

Oh yeah...there's a big difference between the Canon T3i (600D) and the Canon T7i (800D) camera at ISO3200 from memory.  I had not done any detailed analysis or comparisons, although.

Oh, one of the advantages of using mirrorless is the size.  The Canon M50 MKII with the 15-45mm EF-M lens is tiny and light.  It looks like a small P&S.  So save up your money.   You may want a couple more cameras and lenses.  I'm also using the Canon 55-200mm EF-M lens with the other Canon M50 MKII.  That's small too.

Here's what I took last week at ISO3200 with the Tamron 150-600mm lens to give you an idea of what you can do with the Canon T7i (800D) camera. Taking pictures of wildlife in shadows is easy.

For years I used the Canon 55-250mm lens for wildlife pictures with the Canon T2i (550D) camera. I waited a while to save up money so I could buy the Tamron 150-600mm lens with cash (no credit). In those days, my budget was tighter. Now, it's not so much...I just have to decide what I want...but there's priorities in life. That lens is five or six years old now. I only had problems with it once and had it repaired under warranty. I'm real careful to not drop it. I carry it in a side bag and have a strap for it too.

Digirame wrote:

Oh yeah...there's a big difference between the Canon T3i (600D) and the Canon T7i (800D) camera at ISO3200 from memory. I had not done any detailed analysis or comparisons, although.

your Tamron lens is fab for nature, but going for noise reduction i think the T7i will hit the bulls eye.

Oh, one of the advantages of using mirrorless is the size. The Canon M50 MKII with the 15-45mm EF-M lens is tiny and light. It looks like a small P&S. So save up your money. You may want a couple more cameras and lenses. I'm also using the Canon 55-200mm EF-M lens with the other Canon M50 MKII. That's small too.

recently i have been shooting with a few old canon/lumix Bridge cameras and neglecting the T3i because of the size. last weekend i knew i needed better ISO and IQ, so carried the T3i instead.

the EOS M50 Mark II is definitely a heads up, seems that mpb has a ton of good used ones for sale.

thanks, my heads up list keeps getting longer.  lately i have enjoyed mpb, seems that they are a good place to clean out the camera shelf and simplify trading up. 

Again, visually the Canon T7i (800D) camera and the Canon M50 MKII seems about the same as far as ISO and image quality goes.  I really haven't seen all that much of a difference.  That's why I mention them both interchangeably.

There's days I'll just use the two mirrorless cameras with the small lenses if I don't want to carry around all that weight.  I'm not sure if the M line will end or not.  But I figure I'll use those M50 MKII cameras for probably three more years unless something comes up a lot better.  Then I'll upgrade again.  Or I may get a wild idea to get something else for no reason at all, other than I want it.

It's a total guess on my part, but I think Canon wants to keep the R line for both full frame and crop sensor cameras using the RF lenses.  The Canon M line would fade away...but maybe not...I think it all depends on profits...so it would be a Canon business decision.  Also note that the Canon EF-M lenses are limited to a small number.

Digirame wrote:

Here's what I took last week at ISO3200 with the Tamron 150-600mm lens to give you an idea of what you can do with the Canon T7i (800D) camera. Taking pictures of wildlife in shadows is easy.

well no contest, my T3i is showing its age at ISO3200.  however there is plenty of life beyond ISO3200, the sample previously at ISO12800 is a very worthy capability.

For years I used the Canon 55-250mm lens for wildlife pictures with the Canon T2i (550D) camera. I waited a while to save up money so I could buy the Tamron 150-600mm lens with cash (no credit). In those days, my budget was tighter. Now, it's not so much...I just have to decide what I want...but there's priorities in life. That lens is five or six years old now. I only had problems with it once and had it repaired under warranty. I'm real careful to not drop it. I carry it in a side bag and have a strap for it too.

i advocate for wrist straps on all cameras, they sell them in quantity on amazon for cheap.  never dropped a camera with the wrist strap on; i just don't like neck straps for some reason.  also any camera bag seems to be decent protection, but i don't drop those either, preferring to carry that on my shoulder.

money isn't too big an issue, but there is so much quality available on the used low end that i feel no need to reach to high.  reading about better L glass does keep me entertained.

Digirame wrote:

Again, visually the Canon T7i (800D) camera and the Canon M50 MKII seems about the same as far as ISO and image quality goes. I really haven't seen all that much of a difference. That's why I mention them both interchangeably.

There's days I'll just use the two mirrorless cameras with the small lenses if I don't want to carry around all that weight. I'm not sure if the M line will end or not. But I figure I'll use those M50 MKII cameras for probably three more years unless something comes up a lot better. Then I'll upgrade again. Or I may get a wild idea to get something else for no reason at all, other than I want it.

reading these forums tends to do that. basically i run on two tracks: everyday shooting is done with a couple Bridge cameras, but special events demand the DSLR.

It's a total guess on my part, but I think Canon wants to keep the R line for both full frame and crop sensor cameras using the RF lenses. The Canon M line would fade away...but maybe not...I think it all depends on profits...so it would be a Canon business decision. Also note that the Canon EF-M lenses are limited to a small number.

and it could be that canon advances so much that it leaves all of their present lines in the dust. there is some photographic tech on the horizon that might possibly do all of that. it seems that lens tech just creeps along slowly but everything else is racing to the moon and beyond.

Dunlin wrote:

bridge77 wrote:

this was shot with my T3i at ISO 3200, noise is evident, but good enuf for me. i think the T7i may eliminate this noise?

your Tamron lens is probably superior to my Canon 55-250, but i intend to stay on the lower end lens in the near future.

I used a 600d (t3i) for around a year, before upgrading to the original 7D a few months ago.

There's not really a noise improvement, but everything else is a lot better, particularly speed and AF.

the 7D i am considering mostly because of better focusing speed. also i like the idea of pro equipment and exploring their world a bit. the 7Dll would probably fix all the issues you have with the 7D.

in the mean time the T7i would probably be a better upgrade mostly for the ISO as much of my shooting isn't under ideal circumstances especially as the weather changes to cold. i am hoping that using higher ISO will be sufficient over buying faster lenses.

Lumix has a faster lens on their FZ200 and FZ300, a constant F2.8. probably trade up my old FZ70 for that.

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some progress in upgrading my cameras, just taking my time and looking at bunches of options.

some interesting ones are the M5 camera, that would push me up a few generations and to Digic 7.  the others would be the 70D, SL1, T7i and 7D; i like staying in the canon family for now and enjoy the hunt to some degree.

low end canon lenses are good enuf for me, the battle right now is to find cameras that do good at higher ISO.  that is about the only reason i want a good enuf upgrade.

Here's what I got last weekend at the zoo.  I opened the aperture up, but I needed enough shutter speed for the moving fish.  I was able to have adequate depth of field with the focal length I chose.  Yet, I still needed ISO12800.

As winter approaches with dark skies, I'll be glad that I can use these higher ISO levels.  Now, you all have to know that in a fish tank like this, the water was a little murky.  So, it's not the best example.  But I liked it. I have another one at ISO6400 that I took of a zoo worker with my Canon M50 MKII who waved to me.  That one turned out great.  I'll show that one if anyone is interested.

Digirame wrote:

Here's what I got last weekend at the zoo. I opened the aperture up, but I needed enough shutter speed for the moving fish. I was able to have adequate depth of field with the focal length I chose. Yet, I still needed ISO12800.

As winter approaches with dark skies, I'll be glad that I can use these higher ISO levels. Now, you all have to know that in a fish tank like this, the water was a little murky. So, it's not the best example. But I liked it. I have another one at ISO6400 that I took of a zoo worker with my Canon M50 MKII who waved to me. That one turned out great. I'll show that one if anyone is interested.

hmmm nice shot, kinda tricky taking aquarium shots, but for our own use.........very good.

winter/dark skies is key to my upgrade madness, now that we are into fall, the good shooting days going to be farther apart.  i don't really buy many lenses but a higher ISO will fit all me hopes.

just reviewing the canon T6i tonight and thought to check the forum, spotting your post.  the T7i is Fab, but i don't see any for sale at mpb today.  the canon M series are quite fine to, but it seems that canon is creating a strange orphan with that series of cameras.  so i just may stick with DSLR's a while longer in the aps-c range.

for longer reach or 600mm, i feel it best to stick with some kind of Bridge camera used.  a lot of good enuf quality out there with the huge convenience factor.

Dunlin wrote:

I hate to be picky.... but I think you mean "enough", not "enuf".

Sorry.

your right, so very right. ok, i will fix that....how embarrassing.

for longer reach or 600mm, i feel it best to stick with some kind of Bridge camera used. a lot of good enuf (enough) quality out there with the huge convenience factor.