Hey gang - don't even consider selling your NX gear...

GXAlan wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Did you try a servicing center? They are still servicing the 30s and the 300s here.

where is “here” for you? In the US, they dropped all support.

H1 is far far away from an NX1, the only thing it has is IBIS, in everything else is inferior in any way, and the proof will be when the X-T3 will be out, your H1 will be almost obsolete!

I had the NX1, a Luca NX-L, 10, 12-24, 30, 45, 16-50S, 50-150, 85 and a pair of SEF 580 flashes. Also the NX500 and kit lens. So I was very familiar with the NX line up and even wrote about it for SLRLounge.

Fuji X-H1 in use is not a major “upgrade” from NX1 but it is a good replacement if you need actual warranty support and service in the US. It is impressive that Samsung has such a lead but the rest of the industry has caught up enough, except for H265.

Sensor wise it is a lateral move (fewer MP better DR). Fuji’s S lens equivalents are good. More lens options with Fuji. Longer focal lengths with Fuji. Very good video with Fuji (at costlier storage). More reliable iOS support.

I am not convincing you to drop your NX1. I am just letting the crowd know that when you no longer can get your NX1 serviced where you live, look into the XH1 and ignore the random blogs that complain that it is not as good as the A7 III. We all stuck with Samsung for Samsung-colors—- if you appreciate Samsung color, it is hard to work with Sony.

I respect your decision and reasoning, I am Fuji-friendly myself, it is just I have expressed here and in other forums a list of things that NX1 does better, or more conveniently (touch screen impementation, screens, weight and size, video capabilities and recording length, headphone jack, battery life, 16-50S truly unmatched, no fish eye lens e.t.c e.t.c) so I couldn't invest on a worst system for MY needs right now, why to downgrade so early in the process? My cameras and equipment are in very good order, having 2 NX1/NX500/NX3000 and most of the lenses I need.

My estimation is that the new X-T3 will be truly a better, or at least equal camera to the NX1, but there are the new Canon and Nikon mirrorless cameras ready to be released and maybe Sony and Canon finally make a pro APS-C. Olympus is rumored that creating an ultra amazing mirrorless specialized in video camera, and do not forget taht Olympus is no1 in mirrorless sales in Japan and a lot of other countries. I can't make an educated decision before let the market reveal itself clearly in front of me.

The only thing I envy from the Fuji line up is the 10-22mm. That is something I am really missing but can live with the 10mm/12-24 and the 16-50S, which is 2f in most of the wide focal lengths, like having a few 2f primes.

There are some rumors about Fuji amd Samsung co-operate in sensor design and patent exchange, maybe the next Fuji will get a little help from good-ol'Sammy!

All in all, exciting times for G.A.Syndrome!

GXAlan wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

Did you try a servicing center? They are still servicing the 30s and the 300s here.

where is “here” for you? In the US, they dropped all support.

H1 is far far away from an NX1, the only thing it has is IBIS, in everything else is inferior in any way, and the proof will be when the X-T3 will be out, your H1 will be almost obsolete!

I had the NX1, a Luca NX-L, 10, 12-24, 30, 45, 16-50S, 50-150, 85 and a pair of SEF 580 flashes. Also the NX500 and kit lens. So I was very familiar with the NX line up and even wrote about it for SLRLounge.

Fuji X-H1 in use is not a major “upgrade” from NX1 but it is a good replacement if you need actual warranty support and service in the US. It is impressive that Samsung has such a lead but the rest of the industry has caught up enough, except for H265.

Sensor wise it is a lateral move (fewer MP better DR). Fuji’s S lens equivalents are good. More lens options with Fuji. Longer focal lengths with Fuji. Very good video with Fuji (at costlier storage). More reliable iOS support.

I am not convincing you to drop your NX1. I am just letting the crowd know that when you no longer can get your NX1 serviced where you live, look into the XH1 and ignore the random blogs that complain that it is not as good as the A7 III. We all stuck with Samsung for Samsung-colors—- if you appreciate Samsung color, it is hard to work with Sony.

X-H1 is a great deal more expensive though. Especially when you factor in glass.

I do love the h1 though. It's a great camera.

My cameras and equipment are in very good order, having 2 NX1/NX500/NX3000 and most of the lenses I need.

Great!

I can't make an educated decision before let the market reveal itself clearly in front of me

Agreed, and the legacy of the NX1 lives here.  It pushed the other companies to work harder.  No one had the technical and financial resources of Samsung.  No one expected the CEO/Chairman to get sick and cede his power to his son who was more focused on short term profits than visionary projects.

We are seeing the kind of projects that Sony has gotten with machine vision (crash mitigation and self driving cars).  Olympus leveraged camera tech in their medical imaging.

Samsung’s old CEO saw that with the NX. It lost money but it was a R&D play and selling camera recovered some of the costs and had national pride.

The only thing I envy from the Fuji line up is the 10-22mm. That is something I am really missing but can live with the 10mm/12-24 and the 16-50S, which is 2f in most of the wide focal lengths, like having a few 2f primes.

Yeah the new 8-16/2.8 will be interesting and their f2 primes are lightweight.  The Fuji glass are all S level quality.

There are some rumors about Fuji amd Samsung co-operate in sensor design and patent exchange, maybe the next Fuji will get a little help from good-ol'Sammy!

All in all, exciting times for G.A.Syndrome!

Yes!  Not just a rumor.  They have already announced some partnerships related to cell phone sensors.  It is telling that XT3 is supposed to have a 28MP sensor....

Luis Gabriel Photography wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

A7iii is very good spec wise, but I will pass (easily) this generation too, and a6xxx ia not even close. Rather keep my NX500.

Lol really? The A73 is a fantastic camera and best overall Fullframe camera if you don't need more MP. But I guess after reading your next comment, I shouldn't be surprised at your "evaluation".

The real good mirrorless cameras are coming, and they are from the old players, Canon and Nikon. BUT, they aren't out yet,

So Sony has some amazing cameras on the market that are proven and having lots of pros changing to them yet you somehow want to downplay how good they are.

On the other hand you already claim the "real good ones" are coming out by Nikon and canon even though you have seen NOTHING to tell you how good or bad those cameras are going to be?!!!

I love it when people make statements and reach such conclusions based on so many "facts"....

Kisaha does professional video work and has been consistently candid about observations regarding all the cameras he's used, including the A7III. Without context, you may not realize that he didn't come to that conclusion from just reading a forum, but from actually using it.

I've also been a big fan of what Sony is doing, but have left Sony to come back to the NX platform after using basically everything they've got. Usability on Sony cameras is pretty awful. They're also really small, even the newer bodies.

The A7III, aside from low light performance is about on par with the NX1 in terms of video capabilities. It's also 3x the cost. The A7III makes a loooot of sense, especially for wedding shooters. But it's not the end all solution for a number of other professionals and pro-sumers alike.

I've done side-by-side comparisons with my NX1 and my a6300, and for video the NX1 looks noticeably better. And the NX500 has the same sensor, but with a crop. So I don't think the commentary about the a6xxx is outrageous either.

A7iii is very good spec wise, but I will pass (easily) this generation too, and a6xxx ia not even close. Rather keep my NX500.

Lol really? The A73 is a fantastic camera and best overall Fullframe camera if you don't need more MP. But I guess after reading your next comment, I shouldn't be surprised at your "evaluation".

I own an A73.

Although “overall” is a fair statement and it is a good value, the colors out of the Sony still are not to the quality of Fuji and Samsung.

Since the emotional content of the picture is in the subject and composition not necessarily the color, there is a good argument for using it for most things.  But as much as I dislike Samsung for closing down the camera division without doing a Kyocera-like goodwill gesture, the Samsung colors were very good.

The pigments in the Bayer filter have a lot of difference and impact on colors and this is not changeable in post through traditional Lightroom or Capture One sliders.  It is the color discrimination.

The real good mirrorless cameras are coming, and they are from the old players, Canon and Nikon. BUT, they aren't out yet,

So Sony has some amazing cameras on the market that are proven and having lots of pros changing to them yet you somehow want to downplay how good they are.

On the other hand you already claim the "real good ones" are coming out by Nikon and canon even though you have seen NOTHING to tell you how good or bad those cameras are going to be?!!!

Canon has had mirrorless camera for years.  They just charge a ridiculous amount and call it the Cinema EOS line.  Canon colors have proven quality.

Nikon 1 had some exotic lenses (32/1.2 and 70-300/4-5.6).  In head to head comparisons, the J5 plus one of these lenses beat anything you got from a RX100 or RX10 in raw image quality (not necessarily ergonomics).

I really like the Fuji line (which uses a Sony sensor but Fuji pigments for the CFA and an XTrans layout).

The A7III, aside from low light performance is about on par with the NX1 in terms of video capabilities. It's also 3x the cost. The A7III makes a loooot of sense, especially for wedding shooters. But it's not the end all solution for a number of other professionals and pro-sumers alike.

^^^^ This.  NX1 is about a stop worse than the XH1 which is about a stop worse than the A7 III.  So it depends which ISO you are shooting at.  At low ISO, NX1 is probably the best among the three as long as your focal length is covered by the S lenses.

Luis Gabriel Photography wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

A7iii is very good spec wise, but I will pass (easily) this generation too, and a6xxx ia not even close. Rather keep my NX500.

Lol really? The A73 is a fantastic camera and best overall Fullframe camera if you don't need more MP. But I guess after reading your next comment, I shouldn't be surprised at your "evaluation".

The real good mirrorless cameras are coming, and they are from the old players, Canon and Nikon. BUT, they aren't out yet,

So Sony has some amazing cameras on the market that are proven and having lots of pros changing to them yet you somehow want to downplay how good they are.

On the other hand you already claim the "real good ones" are coming out by Nikon and canon even though you have seen NOTHING to tell you how good or bad those cameras are going to be?!!!

I love it when people make statements and reach such conclusions based on so many "facts"....

Lol! If you read only spec sheets, Sony is mostly always amazing..

but how Sony does things in real life?

https://youtu.be/DmQZIRoMpTU

Probably they are trying to fix the known issue with the blinking pixels, instead of acknowledge the issue, they are trying to cover up the whole situation.

When their cameras were shutting down from overheating, they just raised the shutting down temperature and warning you to not hold the camera(?!). What Panasonic did? They created the biggest and heaviest m43 ever, putting there a gigantic cooling solution and they created a video workhorse. What Fuji, with a similar to the a6xxx series sensor, but bigger and heavier bodies did? Admited that you can achieve only 10minutes of 4K video, and one can achieve more IF installed the extra battery grip, I am pretty confident their sensors will last longer in the long term.

It took them 7 releases to put a bigger battery. All my jobs with an A7 type camera, I was having power banks on my camera straps.

After 9 full frame releases the menu system/ergonomics/touch screen implementation are still worst in bussiness, while Samsung did all of those almost perfect in their first try.

Still haven't figure out auto WB issues and color science.

Yes, I am pretty sure that with their first try Canonikon will have most of the basics shorted out, and the fundamentals are playing the game.

The future is now, before the end of this year we will see how the market will respond, even though they are very late in the game - in my opinion, this is one of the last chances for Nikon, if they messed up this one, they are probably doomed in the long run. Mirrorless is 30-50% of ILC sales, depending the market, and Nikon do not compete at all right now.

Canon has some entry level ones, and they have a much bigger market share anyway (no1 in sales in mirrorless in Japan this year!) but this release will be significant for them too. They can afford a mistake or two.

M43ForMe wrote:

Usability on Sony cameras is pretty awful. They're also really small, even the newer bodies.

Most people say, "just put on a grip", but that's not the problem, and the grip causes other problems too.

I had this issue with my a7RII, and now the a7RIII.  There just isn't enough space between the lens mount and the grip.  It was fine when only small lenses were available.  But the GM24-70 and ZE35/1.4 are so wide and hard angled that my knuckles bite into the edge of them.  Useable when shooting, but carrying camera at side is painful.  The extra wide lenses make for difficult video tripod mounting.

The grip doesn't solve the issue.  And the grip has button on outside edge so far that my palm engages it by accident.  All settings are locked out with a half press of the shutter button.  Took me forever to figure out why my camera was locking up.  It's better now with a7RIII, but I still have the same issue as the a7RII and R1 with grip.

I hate the new battery trough for the grip.  Much prefer the older door and sled because I can keep a couple of sleds ready with dual batts.  The new battery needs a gripping rib, or hole on the other side of the trough.  They're very difficult to remove.  But worse is that each side of the trough requires a different procedure for inserting a battery.  It's really toyish.

Funny that you mention the grip, because that's another thing really well executed on the NX1. The ergonomics are already good, but the weight, hand hold, and balance of an NX1 with a grip is phenomenal.

The grip helps a little on Sony cameras, but unfortunately, you don't get a different menu system when you attach the grip.

M43ForMe wrote:

...you don't get a different menu system when you attach the grip.

24 pages of options per custom button.  Not 24 items... 24 pages of items.

It's really daunting.

I do love the h1 though. It's a great camera.

Well i just bought an ebay nx30 with 18-55 for $210... have the nx300 with a cracked screen but still functional. it also came with a 18-55mm so have enough 18-55s. anyway the small size of nx300 is great but hard to see in the sun. i am used to my olympus cameras all with viewfinders. anyway looking forward to using this. no i did not need it but what the heck! i first bought an nx 1000 then the 300. i really like the pics coming out of these cameras so nx30 was next. still not ready to hunker down the cash for nx1 or nx500... blah blah blah

have a good day folks!