rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

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elliottnewcomb Forum Pro • Posts: 16,650
rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place
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I have again gathered my past and current threads about all the RX's together in one place so I can find them. I apologize for so much overloading the forum lately

RX Threads

  1. Prior Models and General Items

RX1r setup suggestions and notes
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3978597

RX10m4 Zoom Assist
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60330736

rx100 m1, m2 Tips and Tricks, rx100 m1, (everyone's thread, not mine)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51991398

rx100 m3,4,5 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4158462

rx100 face dimensions m1,3, 6, will filters fit?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4298817

Fn Button is the KEY to using any RX Camera
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3856052

AF/MF Toggle, MF Setup
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58890915

SZ Smart Zoom
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305652

To CPL or not to CPL?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4287226

setup for: Bracketing: Exposure, White Balance, DRO, HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3679827

rx100 High Contrast B&W and Exposure Bracketing

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

rx100’s In-Camera HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3929902

rx100 Watercolor explained (not mine, I just added what I know)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58160474

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  1. Rx100m6 specific

rx100m6, I studied the heck out of it
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302821

rx100m6 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300834

rx100m6 My Menu
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300163

rx100m6 EVF is different
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303052

Rx100m6, lens sharpness test (1st one from Amazon)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303335

Aperture/ISO shootout
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302908

rx100m6 or RX10m4?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4290812

70th Birthday Prize, rx100m6 ordered!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4297061

rx100m6 shootout, zoom comparison shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299297

rx100m6 notes part one, up to page 263 of 584 page manual
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299746

m6 (wrong model name) 1st Photos, Ocean Grove
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301758

RX100 VI (fixed model name), 1st photos, Ocean Grove linked
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301796

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Night Shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302318

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Edits of Daytime Photos
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302569

You can take it with you
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305613

Adds, not Replaces, plays nicely with my existing cameras
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305199

Got One, Glad Best Buy hung up on me
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4304845

I’m Keeping the m6, thanks everyone
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303884

The Greatest Showman
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303756

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  1. Older threads

rx100m3, Our House, Leaves!

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3926531

RX1r Houses, better light and skies

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3981846

Glimpses of Fall, house details

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

RX1r, stroll from train station (same as oil change walk)

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4157347

rx100m1, spring has sprung

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4120686

RX1r, fall walkabout, Houses

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4077144

RX1r, Flowers, friend’s house

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4011254

RX1r, nice tree, CPL and HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4005956

RX1r Azaleas and a Pansy

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3995726

rx100 Stone House

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3381260

RX1r Shadows with House

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3987456

RX1r Spring Flowers

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3980629

RX1r Houses and Flowers

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3979850

rx100, Houses, fresh snow

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3963130

rx100m3 Fall Watercolors

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3921212

rx100 of Tall Tree

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3920955

Mini-Challenge, High Contrast B&W

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3717146

rx100 Rhododendrons, 3 Color Varieties

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3675164

rx100, Winter Walkabout

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3618989

Color Shootout: RX10; RX100; R1; S85

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3610182

Neighborhood before and after Superstorm Sandy

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3368031

Waiting for the rx100, July 2012

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3230049

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minuteman26 Regular Member • Posts: 316
Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place
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This is the best assemblage of photographic expertise I've seen yet on a DPR forum--- many thanks!

One question: somewhere in one of your threads you mention the current M6 you own as being a better copy than the first one you purchased. How did you make that evaluation, and for those of us that have had only one, what criteria do you suggest we use to judge whether good or lackluster?

OP elliottnewcomb Forum Pro • Posts: 16,650
Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

minuteman26 wrote:

This is the best assemblage of photographic expertise I've seen yet on a DPR forum--- many thanks!

One question: somewhere in one of your threads you mention the current M6 you own as being a better copy than the first one you purchased. How did you make that evaluation, and for those of us that have had only one, what criteria do you suggest we use to judge whether good or lackluster?

I downloaded a test graph, then, to get smaller stuff in more corners, I cropped it, taped it my front door, inside the house, tripod tests (steadyshot off),

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303335

caution: my printed copy is inkjet on inkjet matte photo paper, decent but no way sharp like a laser, so a good lens shows you the ink blurring, don't think it is the lens that is blurred. I used it to see if the corners were good, they were 
BAD, and compare to my Stylus 1, and shot my m3 and RX1r while I was at it.

RX1r and Stylus 1 are the most consistent good corners at all apertures.

m3 and new m6 are now similar, soft corners only when wide, they get good pretty quick.

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Karl Scharf
Karl Scharf Veteran Member • Posts: 3,988
Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

elliottnewcomb wrote:

I have again gathered my past and current threads about all the RX's together in one place so I can find them. I apologize for so much overloading the forum lately

RX Threads

  1. Prior Models and General Items

RX1r setup suggestions and notes
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3978597

RX10m4 Zoom Assist
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60330736

rx100 m1, m2 Tips and Tricks, rx100 m1, (everyone's thread, not mine)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51991398

rx100 m3,4,5 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4158462

rx100 face dimensions m1,3, 6, will filters fit?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4298817

Fn Button is the KEY to using any RX Camera
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3856052

AF/MF Toggle, MF Setup
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58890915

SZ Smart Zoom
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305652

To CPL or not to CPL?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4287226

setup for: Bracketing: Exposure, White Balance, DRO, HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3679827

rx100 High Contrast B&W and Exposure Bracketing

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

rx100’s In-Camera HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3929902

rx100 Watercolor explained (not mine, I just added what I know)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58160474

…………………………………….

  1. Rx100m6 specific

rx100m6, I studied the heck out of it
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302821

rx100m6 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300834

rx100m6 My Menu
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300163

rx100m6 EVF is different
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303052

Rx100m6, lens sharpness test (1st one from Amazon)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303335

Aperture/ISO shootout
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302908

rx100m6 or RX10m4?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4290812

70th Birthday Prize, rx100m6 ordered!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4297061

rx100m6 shootout, zoom comparison shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299297

rx100m6 notes part one, up to page 263 of 584 page manual
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299746

m6 (wrong model name) 1st Photos, Ocean Grove
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301758

RX100 VI (fixed model name), 1st photos, Ocean Grove linked
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301796

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Night Shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302318

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Edits of Daytime Photos
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302569

You can take it with you
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305613

Adds, not Replaces, plays nicely with my existing cameras
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305199

Got One, Glad Best Buy hung up on me
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4304845

I’m Keeping the m6, thanks everyone
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303884

The Greatest Showman
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303756

…………………………………………

  1. Older threads

rx100m3, Our House, Leaves!

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3926531

RX1r Houses, better light and skies

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3981846

Glimpses of Fall, house details

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

RX1r, stroll from train station (same as oil change walk)

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4157347

rx100m1, spring has sprung

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4120686

RX1r, fall walkabout, Houses

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4077144

RX1r, Flowers, friend’s house

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4011254

RX1r, nice tree, CPL and HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4005956

RX1r Azaleas and a Pansy

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3995726

rx100 Stone House

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3381260

RX1r Shadows with House

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3987456

RX1r Spring Flowers

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3980629

RX1r Houses and Flowers

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3979850

rx100, Houses, fresh snow

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3963130

rx100m3 Fall Watercolors

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3921212

rx100 of Tall Tree

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3920955

Mini-Challenge, High Contrast B&W

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3717146

rx100 Rhododendrons, 3 Color Varieties

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3675164

rx100, Winter Walkabout

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3618989

Color Shootout: RX10; RX100; R1; S85

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3610182

Neighborhood before and after Superstorm Sandy

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3368031

Waiting for the rx100, July 2012

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3230049

Thank you for taking the time to do this, much appreciated. Worthy to bookmark for easy reference!

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OP elliottnewcomb Forum Pro • Posts: 16,650
Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place
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I love your crap is so good line

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Craigmill24 New Member • Posts: 1
Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

Hi Elliot, I was given an old RX100 from my son-in-law to play about with.

This is my first venture into photography and as somebody with no previous photographic knowledge I am trying to understand what this camera will do.

It has many attributes that change with the different shooting modes - I think I have it set up only to find some of the attributes have changed or disappeared!

I looked in the rx100 hints and tips forum and your Condensed Manual seems to be what I am looking for.

Would it be possible to get a copy?

I tried to pm you but as I just signed up I don't appear to have that privilege.

Many thanks!

OP elliottnewcomb Forum Pro • Posts: 16,650
Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

New member, 1st post, a big welcome to the forum.

I sent you a Private Message, with my email address.

If you don't get it, you need to put your email in a reply here. I can almost certainly say there is very little risk doing so in this crowd.

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Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

bounce

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Rob Steinle Regular Member • Posts: 339
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Elliott,

Many thanks for updating your list of threads.  It provides a true Value Added for all of the other Forum members and RX100 shooters.  Plus it makes the process of locating information much easier.  You can bet this one is Bookmarked.!

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OP elliottnewcomb Forum Pro • Posts: 16,650
Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

Well, with my lousy memory, that is why I write and then share them, and, I need to find them also.

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9-1-18 update

9-1-18 my past and current threads in one place

  1. General Items
  2. Rx100m6 specific
  3. Photo threads from older models: rx100m1, rx100m3, RX1r

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1. Prior Models and General Items

RX1r setup suggestions and notes
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3978597

RX10m4 Zoom Assist
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60330736

rx100 m1, m2 Tips and Tricks, rx100 m1, (everyone's thread, not mine)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51991398

rx100 m3,4,5 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4158462

rx100 face dimensions m1,3, 6, will filters fit?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4298817

Fn Button is the KEY to using any RX Camera
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3856052

AF/MF Toggle, MF Setup
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58890915

SZ Smart Zoom
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305652

To CPL or not to CPL?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4287226

setup for: Bracketing: Exposure, White Balance, DRO, HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3679827

rx100 High Contrast B&W and Exposure Bracketing

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

rx100’s In-Camera HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3929902

rx100 Watercolor explained (not mine, I just added what I know)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58160474

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2. Rx100m6 specific

rx100m6: OZ; SZ; CIZ. it's a lot of zoom in your pocket, Jpeg Only
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4314962

rx100m6 SZ Smart Zoom
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305652

rx100m6, they are like boomerangs
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4313923

rx100m6, I got some darn good results with it
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308390

rx100 vi, Best Buy: open box, Union, NJ, Woodbridge, NJ, near you?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4312232

RX10's and rx100's, Focus System's, STILLS
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308714

RX10's and rx100's, Focus System's, VIDEO
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308715

I'm 70, lets Rock and Roll
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308844

rx100m6, Hydrangea Munchers
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4306625

rx100m6, returned it, perfect condition, Best Buy, Union, NJ
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4307931

rx100m6, I studied the heck out of it
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302821

rx100m6 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300834

rx100m6 My Menu
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300163

rx100m6 EVF is different
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303052

Rx100m6, lens sharpness test (1st one from Amazon)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303335

Aperture/ISO shootout
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302908

rx100m6 or RX10m4?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4290812

70th Birthday Prize, rx100m6 ordered!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4297061

rx100m6 shootout, zoom comparison shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299297

rx100m6 notes part one, up to page 263 of 584 page manual
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299746

m6 (wrong model name) 1st Photos, Ocean Grove
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301758

RX100 VI (fixed model name), 1st photos, Ocean Grove linked
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301796

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Night Shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302318

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Edits of Daytime Photos
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302569

You can take it with you
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305613

Adds, not Replaces, plays nicely with my existing cameras
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305199

Got One, Glad Best Buy hung up on me
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4304845

I’m Keeping the m6, thanks everyone
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303884

The Greatest Showman
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303756

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3. Older Models: rx100m1, rx100m3, RX1r

rx100m3, Bubbles, Bangles, & Beads
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4309289

rx100m3, Our House, Leaves!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3926531

RX1r Houses, better light and skies
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3981846

Glimpses of Fall, house details
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

RX1r, stroll from train station (same as oil change walk)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4157347

rx100m1, spring has sprung
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4120686

RX1r, fall walkabout, Houses
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4077144

RX1r, Flowers, friend’s house
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4011254

RX1r, nice tree, CPL and HDR
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4005956

RX1r Azaleas and a Pansy
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3995726

rx100 Stone House
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3381260

RX1r Shadows with House
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3987456

RX1r Spring Flowers
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3980629

RX1r Houses and Flowers
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3979850

rx100, Houses, fresh snow
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3963130

rx100m3 Fall Watercolors
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3921212

rx100 of Tall Tree
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3920955

Mini-Challenge, High Contrast B&W
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3717146

rx100 Rhododendrons, 3 Color Varieties
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3675164

rx100, Winter Walkabout
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3618989

Color Shootout: RX10; RX100; R1; S85
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3610182

Neighborhood before and after Superstorm Sandy
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3368031

Waiting for the rx100, July 2012
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3230049

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Rluizsm Regular Member • Posts: 115
Re: 9-1-18 update

Hello Elliott,

I’m a new member and have noticed that you have both the M4 and M6 - that I also have!

Let me first congratulate you. It must have been a hell of a job trying to put together all this information! You have done an extensive analysis of the M6 and even before becoming a member, I have read your posts before deciding to buy the M6. It helped a lot!

I'm trying to compare and understand the behavior of both cameras under the same scenario and light conditions.

Following up on my first post, today I took some photos for a simple comparison (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4313948). As I have mentioned down there, under the same scenario and (low) light conditions, the cameras, using the Superior Auto Mode, have made different choices of ISO, aperture and shutter speed.

The M4 has never attempted to use an f / 1.8 aperture. All photos were taken with f / 2.8. The M6 used several apertures, including f / 2.8, 3.5, 4 and 4.5. Most of the photos taken with M4 used ISO 800, only once it used ISO 1000. With the M6, ISO ranged from 800 up to 6400.

One member of the forum mentioned that slight framing differences could explain that. Would you agree? Could there be other reasons?

i'd appreciate your comments! Thanks in advance.

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Re: 9-1-18 update
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Rluizsm wrote:

I'm trying to compare and understand the behavior of both cameras under the same scenario and light conditions.

1. you are overthinking it.

2. you are comparing apples to oranges.

3. you have both m4 and m6, a wonderful pair. m4 for brighter lens, close low light and motion. m6 for reach, including Jpeg extra zooms. You shoot RAW or Jpeg? Even better would be an m5A and an RX10m4. (if you would use the big RX10).

4. m5A is simply putting the newer more advanced processor of the RX10m4 and m6, now available, in the m5 which already has the PDCD sensor.

5. Image Stabilization Varies.

m1,2 IS sucks, I need S mode to guaranty 1/60th handheld minimum, thus cannot use P or A. And, M in m1,2 does not allow Auto ISO, so it limites ME using M.

m3,4,5 IS is very good, I use 1/30th handheld, 1/20th if needed, thus I can use any PASM

m6 IS is more aggressive than prior models. I am able to handhold at surprisingly slower speeds than m3. That reduces the need for the camera to use higher ISO. Therefore, all things you read are not necessarily equal for everyone.

Following up on my first post, today I took some photos for a simple comparison (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4313948).

I just reviewed that thread, you got some understanding there.

using the Superior Auto Mode,

GET THEE OUT OF AUTO.

Who is in charge, you or the machine? Who knows the objective, you or the machine? Who knows your handheld steadiness (good or poor), you or the machine?

Superior Auto may (not always) take multiple shots and blend them, you need to hold the camera steady for a while after shutter press. That is a disadvantage shooting handheld and especially when using a darker lens (m6) at a probable slower shutter speed.

Any darker lens will need a slower shutter speed to keep ISO/noise low; or (if motion involved, shake or subject), higher ISO/more noise. Or, a bit of both.

Both Superior Auto and Auto (auto always takes only 1 shot) use ONLY Multi/Large/Full Frame AREA SIZE for both Focus Area and Metering Area, and exposure compensation is un-available. Auto is the Point and Shoot implementation of these sophisticated cameras, and often leads to less than ideal or unsuccessful results.

P mode is Auto with Options, to change settings: Primarily to help the camera's AF and Metering systems 'SEE' your subject, thus achieving improved focus and metering of your subject.

P, without setting changes, is IDENTICAL to Auto.

P with setting changes, is advanced auto. Camera still determines shutter speed, aperture, and iso as auto does.

I recommend anyone at least change to center area size for both focus and metering. Then, learn when and how to use spot focus (I am liking the newly available expanded spot focus). Stay in center metering for a while, then learn spot metering, it solves specific situations, like a spotlight on a singer at a concert. Forcing the camera to see, thus think, more light is available.

Back to Multi/Large/Full frame metering when Center metering is giving poor results. IOW, specific focus on your subject using smaller and smaller areas, will not give focus problems, whereas, using a smaller specific metering area can lead to trouble.

Next, learn exposure compensation while shooting (now available in P). With all my rx100's m1,3,6 and my RX1r, OUTDOORS, I often shoot -.3 or -.7ev, to tame highlights, get some sky detail and sky color, and lift shadows in post. This is exactly what in-camera DRO (dynamic range optimiser) does. Lifting shadows in post, you will be amazed how much detail lurks in the shadows, and your highlights will not be problematic, your skys will not be bland. Trying to cut highlights in post, more than a little, leads to trouble fast.

IF sufficient light, OUTDOORS, I use a CPL to get even more sky detail, better sky color, and solve sspecifics: 'see' thru glare, i.e. thru water surface to rocks below, i.e. thru store or auto windows to see interiors. CPl might/will change greens, so I look for a happy medium.

Most of the photos taken with M4 used ISO 800, only once it used ISO 1000. With the M6, ISO ranged from 800 up to 6400.

m6 Noise Reduction, Jpegs, is very advanced, it produces acceptable images at ridiculously high isos. Of course everyone's level of acceptance varies, but I am quite happy with some of the night shots I got while testing in Ocean Grove.

m6 subject isolation using it's extra range 100-200 (and the Jpeg extra zoom SZ) is terrific, a major reason I re-acquired one. This is not always about far subjects, I use it when close, shooting flowers, small creatures, people. Subjectss within the range of m1,2,3,4,5 but far more subject isolation due to the different lens. Don't forget, m6 extra reach saves an old person's knees and back in many situations, no small consideration in my case.

Stop comparing them and use them for their strengths.

I hope, others concerned about the m6 darker lens will get from this: it is nowhere as limited as you might think, extra IS, extra Jpeg NR, in-camera multi-frame noise reduction, mini-tripod, use of some flash, there are many ways to get the m6 advantages and many ways to solve the darker lens. If you want it, I suspect you will keep it. After all, I have tested the holy crap-pppola out of it for you, so solutions you might not have needed are now known to you.

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I saved this on my phone in the notes (Colornote). It's likely to be very useful.

One thing I'll be looking into is how to set up a Mark 3 for using a CPL Magfilter .I currently have a Mark 1 I got 3 months ago it came already set up, when I get a Mark 3 as an upgrade I'll be looking to set it up for CPL usage, I shoot landscapes a lot .

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Re: rx100 m1,2,3,4,5,6; RX1r; General Topics. my threads in one place

larrytusaz wrote:

I saved this on my phone in the notes (Colornote). It's likely to be very useful.

One thing I'll be looking into is how to set up a Mark 3 for using a CPL Magfilter .I currently have a Mark 1 I got 3 months ago it came already set up, when I get a Mark 3 as an upgrade I'll be looking to set it up for CPL usage, I shoot landscapes a lot .

funny timing, MagFilter system on sale now (link in thread below)

and,

I just posted this CPL thread on the Oly forum, shows interchangeability of MagFilter system, Oly to Sony ....  rx100m6 shown near the end

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4315630

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9-6-18 update

elliottnewcomb wrote:

9-6-18

Sorry to keep bouncing this, but my memory truly sucks, and I found some RX1r threads while searching for some exhibits for Ed's current mini-challenge, I am adding them for myself at the bottom.

9-1-18 my past and current threads in one place

  1. General Items
  2. Rx100m6 specific
  3. Photo threads from older models: rx100m1, rx100m3, RX1r

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1. Prior Models and General Items

RX1r setup suggestions and notes
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3978597

RX10m4 Zoom Assist
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60330736

rx100 m1, m2 Tips and Tricks, rx100 m1, (everyone's thread, not mine)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51991398

rx100 m3,4,5 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4158462

rx100 face dimensions m1,3, 6, will filters fit?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4298817

Fn Button is the KEY to using any RX Camera
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3856052

AF/MF Toggle, MF Setup
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58890915

SZ Smart Zoom
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305652

To CPL or not to CPL?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4287226

setup for: Bracketing: Exposure, White Balance, DRO, HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3679827

rx100 High Contrast B&W and Exposure Bracketing

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

rx100’s In-Camera HDR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3929902

rx100 Watercolor explained (not mine, I just added what I know)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58160474

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2. Rx100m6 specific

rx100m6: OZ; SZ; CIZ. it's a lot of zoom in your pocket, Jpeg Only
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4314962

rx100m6 SZ Smart Zoom
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305652

rx100m6, they are like boomerangs
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4313923

rx100m6, I got some darn good results with it
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308390

rx100 vi, Best Buy: open box, Union, NJ, Woodbridge, NJ, near you?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4312232

RX10's and rx100's, Focus System's, STILLS
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308714

RX10's and rx100's, Focus System's, VIDEO
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308715

I'm 70, lets Rock and Roll
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4308844

rx100m6, Hydrangea Munchers
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4306625

rx100m6, returned it, perfect condition, Best Buy, Union, NJ
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4307931

rx100m6, I studied the heck out of it
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302821

rx100m6 Setup Suggestions
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300834

rx100m6 My Menu
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4300163

rx100m6 EVF is different
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303052

Rx100m6, lens sharpness test (1st one from Amazon)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303335

Aperture/ISO shootout
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302908

rx100m6 or RX10m4?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4290812

70th Birthday Prize, rx100m6 ordered!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4297061

rx100m6 shootout, zoom comparison shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299297

rx100m6 notes part one, up to page 263 of 584 page manual
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4299746

m6 (wrong model name) 1st Photos, Ocean Grove
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301758

RX100 VI (fixed model name), 1st photos, Ocean Grove linked
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4301796

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Night Shots
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302318

Rx100m6 Elliott’s Edits of Daytime Photos
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4302569

You can take it with you
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305613

Adds, not Replaces, plays nicely with my existing cameras
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4305199

Got One, Glad Best Buy hung up on me
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4304845

I’m Keeping the m6, thanks everyone
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303884

The Greatest Showman
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4303756

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3. Older Models: rx100m1, rx100m3, RX1r

rx100m3, Bubbles, Bangles, & Beads
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4309289

rx100m3, Our House, Leaves!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3926531

RX1r Houses, better light and skies
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3981846

Glimpses of Fall, house details
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3288841#forum-post-50125370

RX1r, stroll from train station (same as oil change walk)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4157347

rx100m1, spring has sprung
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4120686

RX1r, fall walkabout, Houses
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4077144

RX1r, Flowers, friend’s house
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4011254

RX1r, nice tree, CPL and HDR
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4005956

RX1r Azaleas and a Pansy
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3995726

rx100 Stone House
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3381260

RX1r Shadows with House
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3987456

RX1r Spring Flowers
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3980629

RX1r Houses and Flowers
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3979850

rx100, Houses, fresh snow
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3963130

rx100m3 Fall Watercolors
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3921212

rx100 of Tall Tree
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3920955

Mini-Challenge, High Contrast B&W
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3717146

rx100 Rhododendrons, 3 Color Varieties
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3675164

rx100, Winter Walkabout
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3618989

Color Shootout: RX10; RX100; R1; S85
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3610182

Neighborhood before and after Superstorm Sandy
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3368031

Waiting for the rx100, July 2012
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3230049

RX!r additions 9-6-18

Now, my RX1r posts while learning the RX1r past 6 months, stacked new to old

Cooper Hewitt

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4029433

Isaac Mizrahi

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4029071

bill Cunningham window at Bergdorfs

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4029038

my brother’s yard

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4025066

auto museum

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4017358

dans flowers

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4003896

Serengeti in Massachusetts

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3991044

small music club

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3985851

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Re: 9-1-18 update
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Dear Elliott,

Thank you very much for your help, which I must say, was quite instructive.

Since then, I've been trying to follow your advice and I must admit that the results obtained with the manual exposure mode have been quite satisfactory to me.

You are right, m6 darker lens are nowhere limiting. Here, are some exemples that I think can confirm it.

And during the day, the results exceed my expectations.

Thanks again!

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Re: 9-1-18 update

Nice results,

I think the rx100m6 will entail the occasional use of flash, (I don't even remember my m3 has a flash). I used the flash of my R1 often, needed to get blur free handheld shots of musicians moving on stage in small clubs. It's aperture darkened f2.8 to f4.8. I learned to cut the flash strength shot to shot, needed for most shots, too much flash is why most people never use flash.

rx100m3 I hardly ever use flash. rx100m6's ability to cut flash strength combined with it's flexible direction for bounce is quite good, and will minimize the m6's aperture limitations.

Yesterday, I tried the flash at my grand daughter's birthday party, some direct, some bounced off the ceiling, some no flash, I will be looking at them later.

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Re: 9-1-18 update

Elliott, one more question.

i’ve seen you have the 42mm Magfilter CPL. Have you noticed any vignettes by using it with the RX100M6? What about the image quality you’ve got while using it?

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Re: 9-1-18 update

Rluizsm wrote:

Elliott, one more question.

i’ve seen you have the 42mm Magfilter CPL. Have you noticed any vignettes by using it with the RX100M6? What about the image quality you’ve got while using it?

42mm mag cpl Zero vignette, due to it's single layer thinness.

It has no face threads, so no stacking of filters which, at that size, would definitely cause vignette. It is the most compact cpl solution.

I compared quality and light transmission with mag 42 and my hoya hrt 52mm, and found them equal in both respects. I don't have anything of higher quality than the mag or hoya.

I have the 52mm magfilter filter plate, at 24mm my dual layer hoya hrt cpl has a speck of vignette, gone at 25mm, but I cannot stack ND with CPL without vignette, you want 58mm diameter to stack 2 filters.

52mm magplate on my Stylus 1, hoya cpl, barely perceptible vignette exists at that camera''s 28mm start, gone at 32mm, again, stacking a problem.

there is a CPL thread

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4287226?page=2

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