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panasonic g/gx/gh-series electronic shutter slowest possible shutter speed

Started Jul 30, 2018 | Questions
Soyuz7 New Member • Posts: 19
panasonic g/gx/gh-series electronic shutter slowest possible shutter speed

Hi All,

I'm trying to find out which camera has the slowest possible shutter speed when using the fully electronic shutter (or silent shooting / silent mode).

The reason is I'm trying to figure out what would be a good camera for long timelapse photography and I'm guessing that using the electronic shutter would massively cut down on wear.

I'm looking for a camera with a fully electronic shutter that would allow me to go at least as slow as 1 second exposure time or even slower if possible (down (or up?) to 20-30sec would be perfect).

I can't really find any reliable information on the matter, the camera manuals don't mention anything about it and I've heard all sorts of values ranging from 1/30th to 1/8th.
And then there is this video by Adrian Salisbury where he talks about how his GX8 wouldn't go slower than a 30th of a second due to silent mode being activated but when you look at the camera's display in his video it looks like shutter speed was set to one second (1") before he goes into the menu to switch silent mode off, which then allows him to select shutter speeds all the way down to 60 seconds.

the video

Any and all info would be greatly appreciated!

Sranang Boi Senior Member • Posts: 2,860
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What wear are you on about? are you sure you need a camera and not a phone instead?

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OP Soyuz7 New Member • Posts: 19
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Sranang Boi wrote:

What wear are you on about? are you sure you need a camera and not a phone instead?

Shutter wear in particular. Shutters on DSLR or mirrorless cameras are most commonly rated somewhere between 50k and 100k releases which seems a lot but when doing timelapses you can easily get into those numbers. Like 2000 to 3000 pictures a day or 10000 or even more over the course of a week/month etc.

I know (or better I've read) that sometimes shutters are good for a lot more releases than what they are rated for but I'd rather save myself the cost of a shutter replacement if I can.. (had to do it once on my 5d and it did cost around 400$).

As far as using a phone.. could you suggest one that shoots around 20mp RAW and comes with an EF mount?

hampshirejohn Contributing Member • Posts: 674
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GH4 manual definitely says e-shutter is limited to 1 second.

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JakeJY Veteran Member • Posts: 5,442
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This spec is shown under the [Shutter Type] section in the advanced manual (p 199 for GX85). For GX85 the electronic shutter limit is 1 second, although there is a warning:

"Up to an ISO sensitivity of [ISO3200]. When the setting is higher than [ISO3200], the shutter speed will be faster than 1 second."

ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/camera/om/dmc-gx85_en_adv_om.pdf

You should be able to find similar in the advanced manuals of the other cameras you are interested in.

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uRebel Rob Senior Member • Posts: 1,537
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JakeJY wrote:

This spec is shown under the [Shutter Type] section in the advanced manual (p 199 for GX85). For GX85 the electronic shutter limit is 1 second, although there is a warning:

"Up to an ISO sensitivity of [ISO3200]. When the setting is higher than [ISO3200], the shutter speed will be faster than 1 second."

ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/camera/om/dmc-gx85_en_adv_om.pdf

You should be able to find similar in the advanced manuals of the other cameras you are interested in.

Yeah, Panasonic standard min eshutter speed seems to be 1 second. It's that on my GX7 and G9. Fine for some daytime time lapse, but not long enough for nighttime, or 10 stop ND filter, or high motion blur, or 180 degree exposure with >3 second intervals time lapses.

I'm not sure about the other G series cameras, but the G9 shutter life is 150000 I think, and the GH4/5 is up there too. (The E-M1 II is 200000 I believe, but the min eshutter is 1/8 second, not even close enough IMO). FWIW, my old D5100 (without an eshutter) is a 100000 rated shutter, and it's at 150000 mostly due to time lapse. Don't use that camera that much any more, though it still works.

I'd like 4-8 second exposures with eshutter for all time lapse but my night time ones, which would need 30 seconds. Not that I do time lapse nearly as much as I used to.

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OP Soyuz7 New Member • Posts: 19
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hampshirejohn wrote:

GH4 manual definitely says e-shutter is limited to 1 second.

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uRebel Rob wrote:

JakeJY wrote:

This spec is shown under the [Shutter Type] section in the advanced manual (p 199 for GX85). For GX85 the electronic shutter limit is 1 second, although there is a warning:

"Up to an ISO sensitivity of [ISO3200]. When the setting is higher than [ISO3200], the shutter speed will be faster than 1 second."

ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/camera/om/dmc-gx85_en_adv_om.pdf

You should be able to find similar in the advanced manuals of the other cameras you are interested in.

Yeah, Panasonic standard min eshutter speed seems to be 1 second. It's that on my GX7 and G9. Fine for some daytime time lapse, but not long enough for nighttime, or 10 stop ND filter, or high motion blur, or 180 degree exposure with >3 second intervals time lapses.

I'm not sure about the other G series cameras, but the G9 shutter life is 150000 I think, and the GH4/5 is up there too. (The E-M1 II is 200000 I believe, but the min eshutter is 1/8 second, not even close enough IMO). FWIW, my old D5100 (without an eshutter) is a 100000 rated shutter, and it's at 150000 mostly due to time lapse. Don't use that camera that much any more, though it still works.

I'd like 4-8 second exposures with eshutter for all time lapse but my night time ones, which would need 30 seconds. Not that I do time lapse nearly as much as I used to.

You're right. I wasn't searching for "electronic shutter" in the manuals (which I should have) I only searched for "silent mode". Sorry about that and thanks for letting me know

I'm going to drive from Vermont to California in about a month and was thinking of making a huge drivelapse of the whole trip so 1 second would actually be enough for that and other daytime time lapses which is fantastic. I am estimating around 50 hours of driving and if I go for a pic every 2 seconds that's 90000 images right there. I might opt for a 5 second interval but honestly I like the motion better with 2 seconds.

Thanks for the help guys!

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epozar Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
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= (The E-M1 II is 200000 I believe, but the min eshutter is 1/8 second, not even close enough IMO).

Wrong, no limit.

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OP Soyuz7 New Member • Posts: 19
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epozar wrote:

= (The E-M1 II is 200000 I believe, but the min eshutter is 1/8 second, not even close enough IMO).

Wrong, no limit.

Wait.. are you saying there is "no limit" regarding the minimum eshutter speed? Like you could shoot at 20" shutter speed with a fully electronic shutter (not just electronic front cutain)?

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epozar Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
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Soyuz7 wrote:

epozar wrote:

= (The E-M1 II is 200000 I believe, but the min eshutter is 1/8 second, not even close enough IMO).

Wrong, no limit.

Wait.. are you saying there is "no limit" regarding the minimum eshutter speed? Like you could shoot at 20" shutter speed with a fully electronic shutter (not just electronic front cutain)?

Yes, the whole range: 60sec to 1/32000

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epozar Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
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epozar wrote:

Soyuz7 wrote:

epozar wrote:

= (The E-M1 II is 200000 I believe, but the min eshutter is 1/8 second, not even close enough IMO).

Wrong, no limit.

Wait.. are you saying there is "no limit" regarding the minimum eshutter speed? Like you could shoot at 20" shutter speed with a fully electronic shutter (not just electronic front cutain)?

Yes, the whole range: 60sec to 1/32000

It is MkI model that is limited to 1/8 sec.

see here too:

http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/product/dslr/em1mk2/feature5.html

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Badwater Senior Member • Posts: 2,095
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Depends on the camera;  The 3 LUMIX I have all have 60 second max shutter.  And can be controlled in Image App for more options.

OP Soyuz7 New Member • Posts: 19
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epozar wrote:

epozar wrote:

Soyuz7 wrote:

epozar wrote:

= (The E-M1 II is 200000 I believe, but the min eshutter is 1/8 second, not even close enough IMO).

Wrong, no limit.

Wait.. are you saying there is "no limit" regarding the minimum eshutter speed? Like you could shoot at 20" shutter speed with a fully electronic shutter (not just electronic front cutain)?

Yes, the whole range: 60sec to 1/32000

It is MkI model that is limited to 1/8 sec.

see here too:

http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/product/dslr/em1mk2/feature5.html

That's an amazing little camera.. really makes me want to upgrade. To be honest I really only wanted to spend about half as much on a new camera (the Olympus is around 1500EUR where I live) but this list of features sort of makes one think.

Then again.. since I'm all kitted out for canon it would be a bittersweet upgrade more or less. Sure, I could get a metabones to adapt all my canon glass but that would be another 600-700 bucks and autofocus would probably be not stellar at all (looks like the OM-D has focus peaking though).

OP Soyuz7 New Member • Posts: 19
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Badwater wrote:

Depends on the camera; The 3 LUMIX I have all have 60 second max shutter. And can be controlled in Image App for more options.

Which LUMIX cameras do you have? Are you sure the 60 sec max shutter speed is for the fully electronic mode (i.e. silent mode)?

shipdriver Regular Member • Posts: 260
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Soyuz7 wrote:

I am estimating around 50 hours of driving and if I go for a pic every 2 seconds that's 90000 images right there. I might opt for a 5 second interval but honestly I like the motion better with 2 seconds.

Thanks for the help guys!

Wow, 90,000 shots makes a 50 minute video at 30fps!

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OP Soyuz7 New Member • Posts: 19
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shipdriver wrote:

Soyuz7 wrote:

I am estimating around 50 hours of driving and if I go for a pic every 2 seconds that's 90000 images right there. I might opt for a 5 second interval but honestly I like the motion better with 2 seconds.

Thanks for the help guys!

Wow, 90,000 shots makes a 50 minute video at 30fps!

I was going for 24p so it would be around an hour of raw footage but Id' probably make some sort of highlight reel out of it. Leaving out all the boring parts and adding some real-time video and some stills might make for a nice montage.

But it's a lot of data to deal with, too. Probably somewhere between 2 and 3 Terabytes just for the timelapse photos. That's part of the reason I might go with a 5-second interval instead of two. That and the fact that processing 90,000 pictures sounds like a really bad grind. A 5-second interval would leave me with around 36,000 images... sounds much more reasonable but I do like the motion you get from a 2-sec interval better.

Big Ga Forum Pro • Posts: 18,627
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Soyuz7 wrote:

from Vermont to California in about a month and was thinking of making a huge drivelapse of the whole trip so 1 second would actually be enough for that and other daytime time lapses which is fantastic.

Can you clarify - are you asking about minimum shutter speed, or are you asking about maximum time delay in interval shooting

??

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Big Ga wrote:

Soyuz7 wrote:

from Vermont to California in about a month and was thinking of making a huge drivelapse of the whole trip so 1 second would actually be enough for that and other daytime time lapses which is fantastic.

Can you clarify - are you asking about minimum shutter speed, or are you asking about maximum time delay in interval shooting

??

Minimum shutter speed (when using fully electronic shutter)... but it has pretty much been answered already. It looks like the slowest possible electronic shutter speed with most modern Panasonic cameras is 1 second, which is an acceptable value for daytime time lapses.

There are other options though like the OM-D E-M1 Mark II where it looks like shutter speed can be anything from 60 seconds to 1/32000th of a second even when using the electronic shutter.

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