Finally, 3rd party LP-E17 battery makers are...

Wayne Larmon wrote:

Marco Nero wrote:

I've seen WAY too many house fires caused by non OEM batteries.

A house burned to the ground about 8km away from where I live when a lady was charging a 3rd party Olympus camera battery.

Links please? I have been using non-OEM camera batteries since 2003 an I am not aware of any massive reports of fires caused by non-OEM batteries. I'm sure this would have been mentioned in these forums

Then you either aren't watching the news or you're not aware of the numerous posts here and elsewhere online warning of the problem.  Canon themselves have an archive of exploded non-OEM batteries which they obtain from warranty related lawsuits.  The often present them overseas under glass as a warning to people buying cheap garbage.  The same applies to lenses.  Canon Warranty does not cover non-Canon lenses on a Canon camera.  Canon also advise consumers that "If a problem occurs with a non-Canon lens attached to the camera, consult the respective lens manufacturer."  The same applies to batteries.  Canon won't be held responsible for that el-cheapo battery you bought on Ebay.  Unless it was sold to you by a licensed Canon dealer (which I used to be), you're up a bad creek without a paddle.  There's a protective circuit on a chip inside the OEM battery that tells the charger when to stop charging and when to trickle-charge.  If this chip (on a non-OEM battery) is faulty on not up to standard, the camera will reject it or a fire may be likely since the battery will overheat when charging.  When the battery cell walls are breached an explosion will occur.  Defective or non-OEM Chargers can also pose a risk.  But don't take my word for it...
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Here's the warning on the EOS M6 instruction manual... on page 162.  Using non-Canon batteries that cause a fire or explosion in your camera? Not Canon's problem, and neither should it ever be.

Warranty is also voided with them.

Not in the US. We have the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (MMWA) that forbids companies from voiding warranties when non-OEM parts are used. Unless there is specific proof that the non-OEM part caused a problem.

Several months ago the US Federal Trade Commission growled very loudly about companies that have been violating the MMWA.

Canon Warranty explicitly states that they ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for any damage that occurs to the camera or your property when certain conditions aren't met.  That INCLUDES the use of non-Canon parts.  This especially encompasses NON-OEM batteries - which have continued to pose high risks.  To even suggest that you have an act that holds Canon responsible when IDIOTS use non-Canon batteries, risking fire and death and that this would be considered "acceptable" speaks volumes.  Canon can't control Quality Control (especially concerning the thin cell walls of cheap batteries by in China and elsewhere) and to suggests that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act covers consumers in such an event is sheer ignorance of the law.  Here's some images I downloaded years ago.  You can do your own online searches though... that's not my job here.
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Food for thought.
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Additionally, Canon's Firmware updates for cameras have often locked out 3rd Party batteries in the past, rendering them inert or ...forcing you to accept an onscreen option every time you turn your camera on.
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https://www.lightstalking.com/third-party-camera-batteries/

In the US, see MMWA, above.

With all this said, I have found non-OEM batteries to fail by losing their charge earlier than OEM batteries so I end up carrying around a bunch of them so I'm not caught short. Now when I get a new camera, I also get a single OEM spare battery to reduce headaches.

That's fine.  You don't want to spend money on the most dangerous aspect of modern technology.  Have you ever seen a lithium battery explode?  How about one in your top pocket while you're walking.  What about one in your desk drawer while you're on vacation... or next to the television as you sleep in another room?
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Not from a camera...  but a Galaxy Note 7 phone left charging in a vehicle.   The cell-walls were too thin inside the Lithium battery.  This is a shortcut used when creative batteries in China for cameras via non-OEM battery manufacturers.  This fire resulted in Samsung replacing their batteries with another model after 5 similar fires were reported.

Wayne Larmon wrote:

Marco Nero wrote:

Wayne Larmon wrote:

Marco Nero wrote:

I've seen WAY too many house fires caused by non OEM batteries.

A house burned to the ground about 8km away from where I live when a lady was charging a 3rd party Olympus camera battery.

Links please? I have been using non-OEM camera batteries since 2003 an I am not aware of any massive reports of fires caused by non-OEM batteries. I'm sure this would have been mentioned in these forums

Then you either aren't watching the news or you're not aware of the numerous posts here and elsewhere online warning of the problem.

I am not aware of numerous posts here that report exploding third party batteries.

Many third party are tied to a brand name. I only buy third party batteries that come from an established brand.

Counterfeit batteries are another issue. I once received two batteries from an Amazon vendor that were sold as being OEM Canon batteries. They were a poor imitation. I took a closeup photo and sent it to Canon. Canon replied that they were counterfeit and to not use them. I didn't, for the reasons you give.

This is entirely different than brand name third party batteries. If they explode, these companies exist and are traceable.

Canon themselves have an archive of exploded non-OEM batteries which they obtain from warranty related lawsuits. The often present them overseas under glass as a warning to people buying cheap garbage. The same applies to lenses. Canon Warranty does not cover non-Canon lenses on a Canon camera. Canon also advise consumers that "If a problem occurs with a non-Canon lens attached to the camera, consult the respective lens manufacturer." The same applies to batteries. Canon won't be held responsible for that el-cheapo battery you bought on Ebay.

I never said otherwise. The US Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act states the same. The manufacturer is not responsible if a non-OEM part causes damage. I don't buy no-name cheapo batteries from eBay.

I was responding to your claim that sounded like Canon would void your warranty if you use a non-Canon battery even if the battery didn't cause any problem.

If this isn't what you claimed then we have a null issue.

Wayne

I don't know if Canon can tell if a non-Canon battery was used.  But it's possible there's an exchange of information each time a battery is inserted.  Not sure if the cameras log this or not.  Canon won't likely void a warranty just for using a non-EOM battery in a Canon camera... but if there's a mechanical fault that's traced to the battery used (and if that battery is non-Canon) then they will reject a warranty claim and reserve the right to do so.
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Apologies if the tone of my reply appeared to be sharp earlier.... That's wasn't directed at you.
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One problem in China is counterfeits.  But lately the Counterfeiters have simply altered the name of their batteries to avoid the charge of "Counterfeit product".. meaning they can't be charged for the crime of producing counterfeits.  These often have thinner cell walls which leads to overheating and rupture, triggering a small explosion and possibly a fire. 
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A company I was working with recently sent the Chinese government after the counterfeiter factories... and I was told that they discovered they were set up and owned by the same chap who runs and owns AliBabaDotCom.  Turns out that this billionaire is raking in the cash from (allegedly) counterfeiting products and selling them online from his own production facilities and the Chinese Government aren't prepared to move on him because he's considered too powerful (presumably, he offers them a lot of cash to ignore him).

Wayne Larmon wrote:

Marco Nero wrote:

One problem in China is counterfeits. But lately the Counterfeiters have simply altered the name of their batteries to avoid the charge of "Counterfeit product".. meaning they can't be charged for the crime of producing counterfeits. These often have thinner cell walls which leads to overheating and rupture, triggering a small explosion and possibly a fire.

Marco, I was thinking about this exchange a few days ago but couldn't remember which thread it was in. Now the thread is back to being current.

Because a few weeks ago I dug out a Samsung tablet that I only use to measure spectrums with ArgyllPro ColorMeter. I hadn't needed to do this for a while. When retrieved the tablet I said "holey moley!" Because it was bulging all over. The screen was bent like an archery bow.

I did some quick Google research and found was that the battery had turned into a "spicy pillow" More examples on this reddit spicy pillows thread.

I didn't think to take pics of my own tablet when it was in that state but it would have fit right into that reddit thread. I did a bit more Google research and learned how to replace the battery, so now my tablet flat and unbowed. (It worked fine with the spicy pillow battery but was difficult to hold.) I took pics just now of the Samsung OEM spicy pillow I removed from my tablet:

The battery, of course, is supposed to be thin enough to fit in a tablet.

As I indicated before in our previous discussion, OEM batteries can fail badly also.

Wayne

That is one of the main reasons I like my Li-ion cells in little metal cans.

Samsung is counting on the tablet to keep the battery compressed instead of little metal cans ?

Icypeak wrote:

Well, in spite of their claim of a completely decoded LP-E17 battery, these Powerextra batteries appear to be only partially decoded, like many others. I got them, and while there is no warning when putting it in the M6 mkII, the power meter didn't work, and it died suddenly during the middle of a video clip and locked up the camera until a new battery was installed. It usually won't be a big deal, and will know to use my OEM batteries if I'm shooting something critical that can't be missed by a sudden failure.

Sorry about the thread resurrection, but it still seems like partially "decoded" is the norm.

What happens when a battery dies during recording? It seems like there'd be a high likelihood that the whole card's directory would be corrupted. Or, do you tend to just lose the one video you were in the middle of?

There is now one battery claiming to be a full clone instead of a DR-E18 adapter. On eBay: "Kastar Fully Decoded Battery for Canon LP-E17" but they're $30 each so a little less tempting to get two instead of one Canon battery.

Kastar also has a $12 one that's interesting as it's not a full clone, but has a USB-C port on the battery itself instead of needing a charger. For an emergency-only backup, that's particularly attractive, even if it does take up some internal space and reduce capacity. I don't expect to need a 2nd battery for years, but it'd be nice to have something in the case, smaller than a power bank, in case a little extra runtime is needed. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09RQ7W821/

Ben Herrmann wrote:

...including the decoded chip in their offerings. Up to this point all of the 3rd party makers didn't have the highly guarded decoded chip in the LP-E17 - thus when you placed these batteries into a Canon camera that takes that battery, you'd get a caution message from Canon.

Well no more. One 3rd party battery maker at least - Power Extra (see link below) specifically addresses this fact - and they tout having the decoded chip.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LP-E17-1350mAh-Battery-LCD-Charger-For-Canon-EOS-Rebel-T6i-T6s-T7i-750D-77D-M5/273290531489?hash=item3fa16292a1%3Am%3Am10STBKZa5flsSUlvHmgVFQ&var=572630520876&_sacat=625&_nkw=Canon+LP-E17+batteries&_from=R40&rt=nc

Now if you have some great reputation 3rd party LP-E17 battery makers out there who have decoded the chip - please share those links here.

Amazon.com : Artman 2-Pack LP-E17 Batteries and Rapid Dual USB Charger for Canon Eos RP, Rebel T8i, T7i, T6i, T6s, SL2, SL3, EOS M3, M5, M6, EOS 200D, 77D, 750D, 760D, 800D, 8000D, Digital SLR Camera. : Electronics

So you have confirmed or tried the Artman ones and they give a battery level indication on a M3/M5/M6?

They're still saying no battery indicator on the Amazon ads, but you'd think that in the last 4 years they might have fully cloned the chip.   ("decoded" is a weird word for that but maybe it's what I should say for camera things.  The same issue has been a problem with inkjet cartridges since 2005 or so)

apologies for resurrecting this thread but this is (still) about the batteries for the M system:

I understand that you cannot charge a 3rd party battery using the Canon (OEM) charger but is it possible to charge the Canon batteries using 3rd party chargers (like wasabi)?  I'm looking into this because I have two Canon LP-E17 batteries and I'm not sure if I want to use 3rd party batteries on my camera, but I am looking into the option of charging my Canon batteries via USB using the 3rd party charger.

my options my country are quite limited and so far, it's only wasabi and ravpower available locally.  the others are imitation/counterfeit canon batteries.

deanmejos wrote:

apologies for resurrecting this thread but this is (still) about the batteries for the M system:

I understand that you cannot charge a 3rd party battery using the Canon (OEM) charger but is it possible to charge the Canon batteries using 3rd party chargers (like wasabi)? I'm looking into this because I have two Canon LP-E17 batteries and I'm not sure if I want to use 3rd party batteries on my camera, but I am looking into the option of charging my Canon batteries via USB using the 3rd party charger.

my options my country are quite limited and so far, it's only wasabi and ravpower available locally. the others are imitation/counterfeit canon batteries.

I've had a pair of the Wasabi LP-E17 batts for 6 years now (and the dual USB charger). No problems at all (the charger does charge the Canon batts). My batts were an early version and are not "chipped" tho like many of the newer versions.

OTOH the Beston 2-batt kit + dual USB charger I bought 3 years ago is (fully) chipped, and has worked great too (I gave the Wasabi away).  The Beston charges the Canon batts also.

I wouldn't worry about any of the "name brands."

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It looks like these ones are fully decoded - but I have no proof of this, just what they say.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385002577290