I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

FoundLostDogs wrote:

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Seems you know what the problem is. Your GH5 can record/output 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 video. The RX100 vi records 4k 8-bit 4:2:0 video. By definition, HDR requires a minimum 10-bit color depth.

FoundLostDogs wrote:

Thanks for input but my RX100VI should be able to output in HLG (the BBCs & NHKs own HDR version). Looking at Sony's own RX100VI showreel video on YouTube that lights up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV no problem but I can't replicate this on my own RX100VI hence this post to see if anybody can advise. As a consumer camera which is promoted with built in HLG output one should be able to run clip playback recorded in HLG (setting PP10) direct to a TV with HLG display capability.

No. The "HLG" clip does not fully conform to the HLG standards. In particular, it is 8bit and the standard requires 10bit. So, the HLG clips will not be recognized as HLG by YouTube or your TV. Sony has really misled everyone - having the HLG PP is not a convenient way to make HLG videos, since it violates the standard.

The solution is to save the HLG clips in an editor as a different 10bit codec, retaining the HLG color gamut (REC2020) and gamma. The result will look great.

Since you really have to use an editor to make any video that someone will be interested in watching, this is not as bad as it sounds. Note, that you can just as well make HLG videos shooting in Slog2/SGamut, and convert in an editor to HLG, saving, again, as 10bit. Almost all of my RX100 HLG videos were shot in Slog2, which I think has a higher dynamic range. And it is no less convenient to go from Slog2->HLG 10bit as from HLG->HLG 10bit.

Here is an HLG video, shot with the RX100 VI:

You need to play this in the YouTube app on your HDR TV (or HDR phone), not just play it in the window, to get it to play in HDR, I guarantee it will light up the HDR symbol!

FoundLostDogs wrote:

Many thanks for your reply - much appreciated. Sony make no mention in their RX100VI specs that recording is 8-bit and I can see a lot of unhappy customers such as myself being unable to directly playback in HLG from RX100VI as one can do with Panasonic GH5 to ones suitable TV, in my case LG.
Now you have confirmed that HLG playback is not possible direct from RX100VI to suitable TV in my case LG as RX100VI is only recording in 8-bit and not 10-bit (I wonder if it works with a fudge on a suitable Sony TV?) or upload said clip to YouTube where no HDR message gets displayed, I can stop hitting my head against a brick wall and have a go at using DaVinci Resolve Studio 15 which I am able to successfully use with my 10-bit HEVC H.265 clips recorded on my Panasonc GH5.

My primary purpose for purchasing RX100VI was the HLG feature with convenience of size compared with Panasonic GH5 so I will certainly try to reach a product manager to let them know their marketing is misleading.

i can't answer this because my d______d sony tv won't show me the metadata of what i'm viewing. and i'm still disappointed as i bought this camera thinking i'd be able to stream hlg video over wifi direct to the tv without having to use an editor.

can someone tell me the easiest way to convert the sony 8-bit to 10-bit without degrading the original video in edit ready or fcpx? i can't imagine any video surviving such a conversion without massive tweaking as well.

oh, and i still desperately need a way (android app?) to show the metadata of what i'm viewing so i can tell what's going on. there's all sorts of apps which claim to do this, but none will show any data for any input other than hdmi. i guess that means i could hook the camera to the tv using an hdmi cable, but that's the very last thing i'd resort to--i'd save it to a usb stick and view it off that first.

tried google search again. found this handy chart which shows my model sony tv supports hdr10 and hlg via tuner, apps, hdmi. or usb. that's good info, but i need to see what the tv thinks the content is.

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/00161421

[later note] well well well! you never know what you're going to get with a google search. well, you're getting pr0n, but that's never bad.

so what do i see via a google url from avsforum? why, it's mark04 and ken ross going at this issue exactly as they do right here. they probably cut and paste. and although mark04 argues that 8-bit hlg is not the 'standard', there's nothing in the world saying that vendors can't use a subset or a superset of the standard. thus, it's entirely possible that my sony tv will play the 8-bit m6 clips in hdr.

for a definitive answer, someone is going to need to call sony and escalate until they get an engineer who knows for sure. anyone have any links or ties to sony who could get us this information?

or, someone could tell me how to determine this on my sony tv and i could tell all you guys in two minutes and save hours on the phone.

/guy

gteague wrote:

FoundLostDogs wrote:

Many thanks for your reply - much appreciated. Sony make no mention in their RX100VI specs that recording is 8-bit and I can see a lot of unhappy customers such as myself being unable to directly playback in HLG from RX100VI as one can do with Panasonic GH5 to ones suitable TV, in my case LG.
Now you have confirmed that HLG playback is not possible direct from RX100VI to suitable TV in my case LG as RX100VI is only recording in 8-bit and not 10-bit (I wonder if it works with a fudge on a suitable Sony TV?) or upload said clip to YouTube where no HDR message gets displayed, I can stop hitting my head against a brick wall and have a go at using DaVinci Resolve Studio 15 which I am able to successfully use with my 10-bit HEVC H.265 clips recorded on my Panasonc GH5.

My primary purpose for purchasing RX100VI was the HLG feature with convenience of size compared with Panasonic GH5 so I will certainly try to reach a product manager to let them know their marketing is misleading.

i can't answer this because my d______d sony tv won't show me the metadata of what i'm viewing. and i'm still disappointed as i bought this camera thinking i'd be able to stream hlg video over wifi direct to the tv without having to use an editor.

can someone tell me the easiest way to convert the sony 8-bit to 10-bit without degrading the original video in edit ready or fcpx? i can't imagine any video surviving such a conversion without massive tweaking as well.

oh, and i still desperately need a way (android app?) to show the metadata of what i'm viewing so i can tell what's going on. there's all sorts of apps which claim to do this, but none will show any data for any input other than hdmi. i guess that means i could hook the camera to the tv using an hdmi cable, but that's the very last thing i'd resort to--i'd save it to a usb stick and view it off that first.

tried google search again. found this handy chart which shows my model sony tv supports hdr10 and hlg via tuner, apps, hdmi. or usb. that's good info, but i need to see what the tv thinks the content is.

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/00161421

[later note] well well well! you never know what you're going to get with a google search. well, you're getting pr0n, but that's never bad.

so what do i see via a google url from avsforum? why, it's mark04 and ken ross going at this issue exactly as they do right here. they probably cut and paste. and although mark04 argues that 8-bit hlg is not the 'standard', there's nothing in the world saying that vendors can't use a subset or a superset of the standard. thus, it's entirely possible that my sony tv will play the 8-bit m6 clips in hdr.

for a definitive answer, someone is going to need to call sony and escalate until they get an engineer who knows for sure. anyone have any links or ties to sony who could get us this information?

or, someone could tell me how to determine this on my sony tv and i could tell all you guys in two minutes and save hours on the phone.

/guy

There is only one way to play Sony HLG clips directly in HDR on a TV: connect the camera *by usb* to the usb port of a Sony HDR TV. Not by HDMI. It's in all the Sony brochures. You do not need a logo to know whether you are seeing HDR - the difference is substantial.

Otherwise you edit the video and save the edited video in 10bit. All videos are edited, so this is not some obscure step only required by shooting HLG. The best codec would be HEVC 10 bit.

Finally, a standard is a standard. Standards are good. Sony chose not to conform and yet still name their PP HLG. Leading to frustration and confusion. You want manufacturers to not adhere? Maybe not require REC2020 color also?

On the other hand, I have created lots of HLG videos that play in HDR from Sony clips, they look great (I am not talking about the art, just technically). So anyone shooting HLG or Slog2 can produce real HDR videos with Sony cameras that have these profiles. But there is no "convenient" way.

Markr041 wrote:

But there is no "convenient" way.

challenge accepted! you obviously have never met a genuine lazy person before. it's why we make the best programmers--we hate to do anything twice and we'll spend years developing algorithms to avoid that.

/guy

gteague wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

But there is no "convenient" way.

challenge accepted! you obviously have never met a genuine lazy person before. it's why we make the best programmers--we hate to do anything twice and we'll spend years developing algorithms to avoid that.

/guy

If you can find an easier way, there will lots of people very grateful. DaVinci Resolve has not done it, nor Vegas  Pro, nor even the software designed to make HDR Blurays, which, again, will not recognize 8bit HLG as HDR.

FoundLostDogs wrote:

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

Yes, the most convenient way to do this may well require you to find the Oppo 203 BluRay player or something similar (I'm not sure if any other BluRay players have this capability or if so, which ones). But this Oppo BluRay player makes direct playback, via its USB input and HDMI output to your TV, both easy and extremely efficient.

Using this method, I can come home from shooting HLG, pull my SD card from the camera, insert it into the SD card reader attached to the Oppo's USB input, and watch all my HLG clips in true HLG without even having to edit them. The Oppo is doing an 8bit-10bit conversion on-the-fly. You will never see your videos in better quality since it's straight from the SD card. No impact from your editor, no impact from YouTube.

I can also take my finished, edited videos from FCP, and play the file directly via a HDD without the need for YouTube and its inevitable impact on the pristine video quality coming from your editor. That's not to say that YouTube does a 'bad' job with these videos, but there's nothing like seeing your videos directly without the need of uploading and then watching via streaming.

It's unfortunate that you have to jump through some hoops to watch your videos, but since I've had the Oppo 203, it's no more difficult than watching an HD video. It's also very unfortunate that the Oppo is getting harder and harder to find since the demise of Oppo. It would be interesting to determine if any other players have this capability.

long long ago i had a canon video camera (only 1080p back then). i had a dvd player (sony or panasonic) which had an sd card slot and i was able to do exactly as you're doing--take the card out of the camera and be watching the footage seconds later. and i also had an oppo player for all the formats the main unit didn't support and yes, they are well known for their conversion and upscaling abilities.

i'll skip over why that's not an attractive option in this case and none of this matters if i can't confirm what i'm seeing. you've never answered how you'd confirm what you're seeing if you used your sony tv. and i intend to call sony tomorrow and put that question to them until i get an answer.

/guy

oh, when using an hdmi input, the tv does show a banner with the underlying metadata, or a much reduced subset such as resolution, frame rate, and whether it's hdr or not. so if i hook up the m6 via hdmi i might be able to see what the tv thinks the content is.

i also found a setting which seems to indicate only 10-bit support for hdr and i do have the /enhanced/ mode set, but this was written before the tv started supporting hlg and hdr10 and of course, before the m6 was released:

HDMI signal format

To change the HDMI signal format setting, press the HOME button, then select [Settings] — [External inputs] — [HDMI signal format].

Standard format
Standard HDMI format*1 for normal use.

Enhanced format
High-Quality HDMI format*1*2. Set only when using capable devices.
*1 HDR included (HDR models only). HDR models have [HDR mode] in [Settings] — [Picture & Display] — [Picture adjustments] — [Advanced settings] — [Video options].
*2 4K 60p 4:2:0 10bit, 4:4:4:, 4:2:2 etc.

so i just used a micro->hdmi cable to connect my camera to an hdmi port on the tv. but again, the lack of info from the tv made it pointless--it only showed it was 4k and 16:9. now, is it possible an hlg tag might show up if it recognized hlg? yes, but since sony doesn't give me any dammed docs worth a s___, i don't know.

but, just eyeballing it, it looks the same as when i play it on the computer and, afaik, it's not hlg when i do that. in fact, the only place i've played this that looked like it might be was at vimeo where mark confirmed it was hlg, and there the colors were totally blown out and clownish. oh, and when i play it on the tv from a usb stick, it also looks the same.

so [ass]uming now, the consistency might mean that sony doesn't recognize 8-bit hlg. but that's only a conjecture--i'd need to confirm that somehow.
--
"Before you take that shot, ask yourself: What Would HCB do?" ~/s

Ken Ross wrote:

FoundLostDogs wrote:

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

Yes, the most convenient way to do this may well require you to find the Oppo 203 BluRay player or something similar (I'm not sure if any other BluRay players have this capability or if so, which ones). But this Oppo BluRay player makes direct playback, via its USB input and HDMI output to your TV, both easy and extremely efficient.

Using this method, I can come home from shooting HLG, pull my SD card from the camera, insert it into the SD card reader attached to the Oppo's USB input, and watch all my HLG clips in true HLG without even having to edit them. The Oppo is doing an 8bit-10bit conversion on-the-fly. You will never see your videos in better quality since it's straight from the SD card. No impact from your editor, no impact from YouTube.

I can also take my finished, edited videos from FCP, and play the file directly via a HDD without the need for YouTube and its inevitable impact on the pristine video quality coming from your editor. That's not to say that YouTube does a 'bad' job with these videos, but there's nothing like seeing your videos directly without the need of uploading and then watching via streaming.

It's unfortunate that you have to jump through some hoops to watch your videos, but since I've had the Oppo 203, it's no more difficult than eedswatching an HD video. It's also very unfortunate that the Oppo is getting harder and harder to find since the demise of Oppo. It would be interesting to determine if any other players have this capability.

Did you read this thread? NO. He has a Sony HDR TV. All he needs to do is connect the camera by usb to the Sony TV by usb and the HLG clips will play in HDR. That's it. There is no other way by HDMI. No need for the expensive Oppo. Simple.

Markr041 wrote:

Ken Ross wrote:

FoundLostDogs wrote:

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

Yes, the most convenient way to do this may well require you to find the Oppo 203 BluRay player or something similar (I'm not sure if any other BluRay players have this capability or if so, which ones). But this Oppo BluRay player makes direct playback, via its USB input and HDMI output to your TV, both easy and extremely efficient.

Using this method, I can come home from shooting HLG, pull my SD card from the camera, insert it into the SD card reader attached to the Oppo's USB input, and watch all my HLG clips in true HLG without even having to edit them. The Oppo is doing an 8bit-10bit conversion on-the-fly. You will never see your videos in better quality since it's straight from the SD card. No impact from your editor, no impact from YouTube.

I can also take my finished, edited videos from FCP, and play the file directly via a HDD without the need for YouTube and its inevitable impact on the pristine video quality coming from your editor. That's not to say that YouTube does a 'bad' job with these videos, but there's nothing like seeing your videos directly without the need of uploading and then watching via streaming.

It's unfortunate that you have to jump through some hoops to watch your videos, but since I've had the Oppo 203, it's no more difficult than eedswatching an HD video. It's also very unfortunate that the Oppo is getting harder and harder to find since the demise of Oppo. It would be interesting to determine if any other players have this capability.

Did you read this thread? NO. He has a Sony HDR TV. All he needs to do is connect the camera by usb to the Sony TV by usb and the HLG clips will play in HDR. That's it. There is no other way by HDMI. No need for the expensive Oppo. Simple.

and i return again to the question i've asked a thousand times--how the bloody h3ll would i confirm it's playing in hlg? as i said on avsforum, connecting via usb is exactly the same as playing the files from a usb stick--the camera is presented as usb storage. and i tried that first thing.

/guy

Markr041 wrote:

Ken Ross wrote:

FoundLostDogs wrote:

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

Yes, the most convenient way to do this may well require you to find the Oppo 203 BluRay player or something similar (I'm not sure if any other BluRay players have this capability or if so, which ones). But this Oppo BluRay player makes direct playback, via its USB input and HDMI output to your TV, both easy and extremely efficient.

Using this method, I can come home from shooting HLG, pull my SD card from the camera, insert it into the SD card reader attached to the Oppo's USB input, and watch all my HLG clips in true HLG without even having to edit them. The Oppo is doing an 8bit-10bit conversion on-the-fly. You will never see your videos in better quality since it's straight from the SD card. No impact from your editor, no impact from YouTube.

I can also take my finished, edited videos from FCP, and play the file directly via a HDD without the need for YouTube and its inevitable impact on the pristine video quality coming from your editor. That's not to say that YouTube does a 'bad' job with these videos, but there's nothing like seeing your videos directly without the need of uploading and then watching via streaming.

It's unfortunate that you have to jump through some hoops to watch your videos, but since I've had the Oppo 203, it's no more difficult than eedswatching an HD video. It's also very unfortunate that the Oppo is getting harder and harder to find since the demise of Oppo. It would be interesting to determine if any other players have this capability.

Did you read this thread? NO. He has a Sony HDR TV. All he needs to do is connect the camera by usb to the Sony TV by usb and the HLG clips will play in HDR. That's it. There is no other way by HDMI. No need for the expensive Oppo. Simple.

Did you see I responded to the OP in this thread? NO. He has an LG TV, not a Sony TV. I have an LG & Sony TV. Using the USB input on an LG TV will yield nothing. Been there done that.

A different poster in this thread indicated he has a Sony TV, NOT the OP to whom I was responding. Oh well.

Further, the USB input on my Sony UHD TV does nothing in terms of displaying 4K much less HLG. My Sony UHD TV, an older unit, did receive a software upgrade to HLG, but this still does nothing in terms of making it usable via the USB input. So I speak with experience when I say not every Sony will yield a success with this method.

At any rate, when I bought my Oppo 203, it was about $550 IIRC. That's not an overly 'expensive' proposition in this hobby and given how incredibly easy it makes your HLG life, it's a small price to pay after purchasing a $1200 camera or a far more expensive A7iii.

The challenge, other than price, is finding an Oppo 203. I haven't done any searches, but I'm sure they can be had for those that are truly interested. I'm just not sure if there will be price gouging at this point.

gteague wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Ken Ross wrote:

FoundLostDogs wrote:

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

Yes, the most convenient way to do this may well require you to find the Oppo 203 BluRay player or something similar (I'm not sure if any other BluRay players have this capability or if so, which ones). But this Oppo BluRay player makes direct playback, via its USB input and HDMI output to your TV, both easy and extremely efficient.

Using this method, I can come home from shooting HLG, pull my SD card from the camera, insert it into the SD card reader attached to the Oppo's USB input, and watch all my HLG clips in true HLG without even having to edit them. The Oppo is doing an 8bit-10bit conversion on-the-fly. You will never see your videos in better quality since it's straight from the SD card. No impact from your editor, no impact from YouTube.

I can also take my finished, edited videos from FCP, and play the file directly via a HDD without the need for YouTube and its inevitable impact on the pristine video quality coming from your editor. That's not to say that YouTube does a 'bad' job with these videos, but there's nothing like seeing your videos directly without the need of uploading and then watching via streaming.

It's unfortunate that you have to jump through some hoops to watch your videos, but since I've had the Oppo 203, it's no more difficult than eedswatching an HD video. It's also very unfortunate that the Oppo is getting harder and harder to find since the demise of Oppo. It would be interesting to determine if any other players have this capability.

Did you read this thread? NO. He has a Sony HDR TV. All he needs to do is connect the camera by usb to the Sony TV by usb and the HLG clips will play in HDR. That's it. There is no other way by HDMI. No need for the expensive Oppo. Simple.

and i return again to the question i've asked a thousand times--how the bloody h3ll would i confirm it's playing in hlg? as i said on avsforum, connecting via usb is exactly the same as playing the files from a usb stick--the camera is presented as usb storage. and i tried that first thing.

/guy

You will not need to see the "HLG" logo as I do on my LG. As soon as an HLG video begins playing, it's immediately obvious as 'in your face' obvious. If you see something that resembles what you see on your computer, you're not seeing it in HLG.

The other thing you can do when playing an HLG video, is to go into your Sony settings and see what picture profile is playing. I'm not sure if yours can or does automatically switch to the HDR setting, but you can check. I know that some early Sonys did not do this automatically and it was quite the firestorm for some, as owners would often wonder if some owners never actually saw HDR on their displays since it required a manual change of settings. Many owners would not know to do this when an HDR video was playing.

I believe that the new Sonys do this automatically now, but I'm not 100%.

Ken Ross wrote:

gteague wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Ken Ross wrote:

FoundLostDogs wrote:

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

Yes, the most convenient way to do this may well require you to find the Oppo 203 BluRay player or something similar (I'm not sure if any other BluRay players have this capability or if so, which ones). But this Oppo BluRay player makes direct playback, via its USB input and HDMI output to your TV, both easy and extremely efficient.

Using this method, I can come home from shooting HLG, pull my SD card from the camera, insert it into the SD card reader attached to the Oppo's USB input, and watch all my HLG clips in true HLG without even having to edit them. The Oppo is doing an 8bit-10bit conversion on-the-fly. You will never see your videos in better quality since it's straight from the SD card. No impact from your editor, no impact from YouTube.

I can also take my finished, edited videos from FCP, and play the file directly via a HDD without the need for YouTube and its inevitable impact on the pristine video quality coming from your editor. That's not to say that YouTube does a 'bad' job with these videos, but there's nothing like seeing your videos directly without the need of uploading and then watching via streaming.

It's unfortunate that you have to jump through some hoops to watch your videos, but since I've had the Oppo 203, it's no more difficult than eedswatching an HD video. It's also very unfortunate that the Oppo is getting harder and harder to find since the demise of Oppo. It would be interesting to determine if any other players have this capability.

Did you read this thread? NO. He has a Sony HDR TV. All he needs to do is connect the camera by usb to the Sony TV by usb and the HLG clips will play in HDR. That's it. There is no other way by HDMI. No need for the expensive Oppo. Simple.

and i return again to the question i've asked a thousand times--how the bloody h3ll would i confirm it's playing in hlg? as i said on avsforum, connecting via usb is exactly the same as playing the files from a usb stick--the camera is presented as usb storage. and i tried that first thing.

/guy

You will not need to see the "HLG" logo as I do on my LG. As soon as an HLG video begins playing, it's immediately obvious as 'in your face' obvious. If you see something that resembles what you see on your computer, you're not seeing it in HLG.

The other thing you can do when playing an HLG video, is to go into your Sony settings and see what picture profile is playing. I'm not sure if yours can or does automatically switch to the HDR setting, but you can check. I know that some early Sonys did not do this automatically and it was quite the firestorm for some, as owners would often wonder if some owners never actually saw HDR on their displays since it required a manual change of settings. Many owners would not know to do this when an HDR video was playing.

I believe that the new Sonys do this automatically now, but I'm not 100%.

ok, i know one thing i can do. there's plenty of hdr content on netflix and i can access the netflix app via the dish hopper and that will present the content over the hdmi port to the tv which should display an info banner. and yes, i know i can do this from the netflix app, but even if they label the content hdr i can't be sure that's what's hitting the hdmi port.

so i played 'lost in space', an hdr show, using the netflix app on the dish hopper. but their app won't show the content stats like my other netflix apps on other platforms will. and the tv /display/ bar doesn't indicate hdr at all. so now i'm going to the netflix app on the tv to see if anything is different ....

the netflix app on the tv is entirely different. it clearly shows an /hdr/ badge right in the description of the movie. but things are moving very slowly i suspect because folks are sitting down to their sunday evening netflix fix.

gteague wrote:

Ken Ross wrote:

gteague wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Ken Ross wrote:

FoundLostDogs wrote:

I can't get Sony RX100VI to output in HLG.

When I record a single XAVCS 4K 25p 100 clip in PP10 profile trying the HLG & HLG1~3 settings on my RX100VI and playback to my LG TV, the on-screen HLG-HDR logo fails to light up. Also when I try to upload the same unedited clip to YouTube there's no message that an HDR file being uploaded.

Whereas when I do the same thing with my Panasonic GH5 the LG TV on-screen HLG-HDR logo lights up and likewise when uploading, YouTube confirms that the file is HDR and the file plays back from YouTube lighting up the HLG-HDR logo on my LG TV.

Also I have no problem editing Panasonic GH5 clips in Davinci Resolve Studio 15 and the finished render on my LG TV the HLG-HDR logo lights up for a few seconds with no problems.

I appreciate that the Panasonic GH5 is recording in 10-bit HEVC .H265 whereas the Sony RX100VI assume is 8-bit recording in .H264

Does anybody have a suggestion what I might be doing wrong or is there a Sony settings issue somewhere?

Yes, the most convenient way to do this may well require you to find the Oppo 203 BluRay player or something similar (I'm not sure if any other BluRay players have this capability or if so, which ones). But this Oppo BluRay player makes direct playback, via its USB input and HDMI output to your TV, both easy and extremely efficient.

Using this method, I can come home from shooting HLG, pull my SD card from the camera, insert it into the SD card reader attached to the Oppo's USB input, and watch all my HLG clips in true HLG without even having to edit them. The Oppo is doing an 8bit-10bit conversion on-the-fly. You will never see your videos in better quality since it's straight from the SD card. No impact from your editor, no impact from YouTube.

I can also take my finished, edited videos from FCP, and play the file directly via a HDD without the need for YouTube and its inevitable impact on the pristine video quality coming from your editor. That's not to say that YouTube does a 'bad' job with these videos, but there's nothing like seeing your videos directly without the need of uploading and then watching via streaming.

It's unfortunate that you have to jump through some hoops to watch your videos, but since I've had the Oppo 203, it's no more difficult than eedswatching an HD video. It's also very unfortunate that the Oppo is getting harder and harder to find since the demise of Oppo. It would be interesting to determine if any other players have this capability.

Did you read this thread? NO. He has a Sony HDR TV. All he needs to do is connect the camera by usb to the Sony TV by usb and the HLG clips will play in HDR. That's it. There is no other way by HDMI. No need for the expensive Oppo. Simple.

and i return again to the question i've asked a thousand times--how the bloody h3ll would i confirm it's playing in hlg? as i said on avsforum, connecting via usb is exactly the same as playing the files from a usb stick--the camera is presented as usb storage. and i tried that first thing.

/guy

You will not need to see the "HLG" logo as I do on my LG. As soon as an HLG video begins playing, it's immediately obvious as 'in your face' obvious. If you see something that resembles what you see on your computer, you're not seeing it in HLG.

The other thing you can do when playing an HLG video, is to go into your Sony settings and see what picture profile is playing. I'm not sure if yours can or does automatically switch to the HDR setting, but you can check. I know that some early Sonys did not do this automatically and it was quite the firestorm for some, as owners would often wonder if some owners never actually saw HDR on their displays since it required a manual change of settings. Many owners would not know to do this when an HDR video was playing.

I believe that the new Sonys do this automatically now, but I'm not 100%.

ok, i know one thing i can do. there's plenty of hdr content on netflix and i can access the netflix app via the dish hopper and that will present the content over the hdmi port to the tv which should display an info banner. and yes, i know i can do this from the netflix app, but even if they label the content hdr i can't be sure that's what's hitting the hdmi port.

so i played 'lost in space', an hdr show, using the netflix app on the dish hopper. but their app won't show the content stats like my other netflix apps on other platforms will. and the tv /display/ bar doesn't indicate hdr at all. so now i'm going to the netflix app on the tv to see if anything is different ....

the netflix app on the tv is entirely different. it clearly shows an /hdr/ badge right in the description of the movie. but things are moving very slowly i suspect because folks are sitting down to their sunday evening netflix fix.

Yes, these apps can be wildly different from TV to TV as well as from peripheral device to peripheral device and certainly from TV to external device. It can be maddening. In fact, I have 2 LG OLED TVs. You'd think their apps would be identical, but they're not. On one I can get everything that's in HLG/HDR properly, regardless of app. On the other, a one year older TV, I can't.

It's the wild wild west with these things.