Versus Sony RX100V

I have had Sony RX100V for over a year now and I had all the RX100 series previously . I also had some Canons . Last week I picked up Canon G1XIII and returned it after 2 days. The Sony beats it in every possible aspect! It has better autofocus, much sharper lens with much less chromatic aberrations , better (and here I was really shocked ) low light performance and much smaller form factor . While Sony can be charged through USB using the supplied cable and adapter , Canon can’t! It comes only with a wall charger and one has to purchase an additional adapter and a cable ! Yes! Simple iPhone adapter won’t work ! While it works with the Sony one has to buy a specific Compact Power Adapter CA-DC30/CA-DC30E and Interface Cable IFC-600PCU - both sold separately! It won’t recognize anything else . It’s a shame! While Sony has an automatic lens cap , Canon hasn’t and a cheap plastic cap is supplied. The Sony can sshoot up to 1/4000 SS in a regular mode and up to 1/32000 with an electronic shutter , the Canon goes up to 1/2000 max! Sony has fully controlled minimum shutter speed in auto ISO while the Canon has only three weird settings of Slow , 1/500 and 1/1000 only! This Cannon screen is a pain for street shooters , because it can’t be tilted 90 degrees upwards , it has to be swiveled to the left first. Those are the major differences that I found. Additionally ,the Sony holds the charge longer than the Canon and can be easily charged through the USB while shooting - the Canon can’t! 4K video I don’t really need but only the Sony has it . I can keep the Sony in my jeans pocket and forget it there , while Canon had to be on my neck or in my backpack .There are two good things about the Canon: colour rendition and weather resistance.

I expected for much more prom such an expensive point and shoot camera.

Sample at low ISO

One of the main reasons for choosing the G1X III is better dynamic range and tonal quality of the aps-c sensor when it comes to landscapes with foliage.  If you can't see that, or is not that important to you, then by all means go with the versatile 1" sensor.

Get a G7Xii, which is almost the same size, brightness, sensor and zoom range as the RX100 3,4 and 5. It lacks 4K video, but does have a touch screen.

MarioV wrote:

One of the main reasons for choosing the G1X III is better dynamic range and tonal quality of the aps-c sensor when it comes to landscapes with foliage. If you can't see that, or is not that important to you, then by all means go with the versatile 1" sensor.

It’ll ruin all the DR and especially foliage with its noise . Try shooting RX100V (or any of them ) at ISO 80-125 and you’ll get better results !

RX100V

Its a nice photo, but still doesnt cut it for me.  I prefer aps-c or larger for landscapes.

MarioV wrote:

Its a nice photo, but still doesnt cut it for me. I prefer aps-c or larger for landscapes.

Thank you!

Have you seen this comparison review?

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8432414091/powershot-shootout-canon-s-g1-x-iii-and-g7-x-ii

Ive had both cameras and I preferred to keep the RX100V. The noise levels are lower due to the brighter lens, the lens is significantly sharper and due to the 2.7 crop factor there is more depth of field for landscapes, so the aperture can be wider and contribute to more details and less noise. I found the output of Sony significantly better then the Canon , also in terms of DR and colour gradation.

Plagen wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

MarioV wrote:

One of the main reasons for choosing the G1X III is better dynamic range and tonal quality of the aps-c sensor when it comes to landscapes with foliage. If you can't see that, or is not that important to you, then by all means go with the versatile 1" sensor.

It’ll ruin all the DR and especially foliage with its noise . Try shooting RX100V (or any of them ) at ISO 80-125 and you’ll get better results !

I don't have either of the cameras but from the DPR review, the G1 XIII noise is much lower than that of the Sony camera.

And why would someone shoot these cameras at 6400 ISO for landscapes? You normally do ? Except test shots perhaps.

Plagen wrote:

riveredger wrote:

mermaidkiller wrote:

Get a G7Xii, which is almost the same size, brightness, sensor and zoom range as the RX100 3,4 and 5. It lacks 4K video, but does have a touch screen.

No viewfinder...

And one of the poorest ergonomics. Basically, a slippery soap bar.

The ergonomics are fine . Add the optional Sony grip if you find it slippery :
https://www.sony.ca/en/electronics/cyber-shot-compact-cameras-other-accessories/ag-r2

FoxShutter wrote:

I have had Sony RX100V for over a year now and I had all the RX100 series previously . I also had some Canons . Last week I picked up Canon G1XIII and returned it after 2 days. The Sony beats it in every possible aspect! It has better autofocus, much sharper lens with much less chromatic aberrations , better (and here I was really shocked ) low light performance and much smaller form factor . While Sony can be charged through USB using the supplied cable and adapter , Canon can’t! It comes only with a wall charger and one has to purchase an additional adapter and a cable ! Yes! Simple iPhone adapter won’t work ! While it works with the Sony one has to buy a specific Compact Power Adapter CA-DC30/CA-DC30E and Interface Cable IFC-600PCU - both sold separately! It won’t recognize anything else . It’s a shame! While Sony has an automatic lens cap , Canon hasn’t and a cheap plastic cap is supplied. The Sony can sshoot up to 1/4000 SS in a regular mode and up to 1/32000 with an electronic shutter , the Canon goes up to 1/2000 max! Sony has fully controlled minimum shutter speed in auto ISO while the Canon has only three weird settings of Slow , 1/500 and 1/1000 only! This Cannon screen is a pain for street shooters , because it can’t be tilted 90 degrees upwards , it has to be swiveled to the left first. Those are the major differences that I found. Additionally ,the Sony holds the charge longer than the Canon and can be easily charged through the USB while shooting - the Canon can’t! 4K video I don’t really need but only the Sony has it . I can keep the Sony in my jeans pocket and forget it there , while Canon had to be on my neck or in my backpack .There are two good things about the Canon: colour rendition and weather resistance.

I expected for much more prom such an expensive point and shoot camera.

Thanks for this review. It doesn't surprise me in the least, the Sony having a state of the art sensor.

In the DPR shootout between the G1Xmk3 vs the G7Xmk2, even the not so great G7Xmk2 came out better in many respects, including low light. So the Sony which has the better lens, processing & sensor would be as good or better than the G1Xmk3.

Having said all that, if I were to chose a camera to walk around with, I would go for the Canon, no question

telefunk wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

I have had Sony RX100V for over a year now and I had all the RX100 series previously . I also had some Canons . Last week I picked up Canon G1XIII and returned it after 2 days. The Sony beats it in every possible aspect! It has better autofocus, much sharper lens with much less chromatic aberrations , better (and here I was really shocked ) low light performance and much smaller form factor . While Sony can be charged through USB using the supplied cable and adapter , Canon can’t! It comes only with a wall charger and one has to purchase an additional adapter and a cable ! Yes! Simple iPhone adapter won’t work ! While it works with the Sony one has to buy a specific Compact Power Adapter CA-DC30/CA-DC30E and Interface Cable IFC-600PCU - both sold separately! It won’t recognize anything else . It’s a shame! While Sony has an automatic lens cap , Canon hasn’t and a cheap plastic cap is supplied. The Sony can sshoot up to 1/4000 SS in a regular mode and up to 1/32000 with an electronic shutter , the Canon goes up to 1/2000 max! Sony has fully controlled minimum shutter speed in auto ISO while the Canon has only three weird settings of Slow , 1/500 and 1/1000 only! This Cannon screen is a pain for street shooters , because it can’t be tilted 90 degrees upwards , it has to be swiveled to the left first. Those are the major differences that I found. Additionally ,the Sony holds the charge longer than the Canon and can be easily charged through the USB while shooting - the Canon can’t! 4K video I don’t really need but only the Sony has it . I can keep the Sony in my jeans pocket and forget it there , while Canon had to be on my neck or in my backpack .There are two good things about the Canon: colour rendition and weather resistance.

I expected for much more prom such an expensive point and shoot camera.

Thanks for this review. It doesn't surprise me in the least, the Sony having a state of the art sensor.

In the DPR shootout between the G1Xmk3 vs the G7Xmk2, even the not so great G7Xmk2 came out better in many respects, including low light. So the Sony which has the better lens, processing & sensor would be as good or better than the G1Xmk3.

Having said all that, if I were to chose a camera to walk around with, I would go for the Canon, no question

Yoy are very welcome!

I don’t know why would someone choose to get all his walk around shots soft . The lens is so soft at the corners and the ages, that it’s not usable at full res ., unless downsized by a good half .

FoxShutter wrote:

telefunk wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

I have had Sony RX100V for over a year now and I had all the RX100 series previously . I also had some Canons . Last week I picked up Canon G1XIII and returned it after 2 days. The Sony beats it in every possible aspect! It has better autofocus, much sharper lens with much less chromatic aberrations , better (and here I was really shocked ) low light performance and much smaller form factor . While Sony can be charged through USB using the supplied cable and adapter , Canon can’t! It comes only with a wall charger and one has to purchase an additional adapter and a cable ! Yes! Simple iPhone adapter won’t work ! While it works with the Sony one has to buy a specific Compact Power Adapter CA-DC30/CA-DC30E and Interface Cable IFC-600PCU - both sold separately! It won’t recognize anything else . It’s a shame! While Sony has an automatic lens cap , Canon hasn’t and a cheap plastic cap is supplied. The Sony can sshoot up to 1/4000 SS in a regular mode and up to 1/32000 with an electronic shutter , the Canon goes up to 1/2000 max! Sony has fully controlled minimum shutter speed in auto ISO while the Canon has only three weird settings of Slow , 1/500 and 1/1000 only! This Cannon screen is a pain for street shooters , because it can’t be tilted 90 degrees upwards , it has to be swiveled to the left first. Those are the major differences that I found. Additionally ,the Sony holds the charge longer than the Canon and can be easily charged through the USB while shooting - the Canon can’t! 4K video I don’t really need but only the Sony has it . I can keep the Sony in my jeans pocket and forget it there , while Canon had to be on my neck or in my backpack .There are two good things about the Canon: colour rendition and weather resistance.

I expected for much more prom such an expensive point and shoot camera.

Thanks for this review. It doesn't surprise me in the least, the Sony having a state of the art sensor.

In the DPR shootout between the G1Xmk3 vs the G7Xmk2, even the not so great G7Xmk2 came out better in many respects, including low light. So the Sony which has the better lens, processing & sensor would be as good or better than the G1Xmk3.

Having said all that, if I were to chose a camera to walk around with, I would go for the Canon, no question

Yoy are very welcome!

I don’t know why would someone choose to get all his walk around shots soft . The lens is so soft at the corners and the ages, that it’s not usable at full res ., unless downsized by a good half .

That is the huge frustration with Sony: excellent IQ. Horrible handling.

telefunk wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

telefunk wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

I have had Sony RX100V for over a year now and I had all the RX100 series previously . I also had some Canons . Last week I picked up Canon G1XIII and returned it after 2 days. The Sony beats it in every possible aspect! It has better autofocus, much sharper lens with much less chromatic aberrations , better (and here I was really shocked ) low light performance and much smaller form factor . While Sony can be charged through USB using the supplied cable and adapter , Canon can’t! It comes only with a wall charger and one has to purchase an additional adapter and a cable ! Yes! Simple iPhone adapter won’t work ! While it works with the Sony one has to buy a specific Compact Power Adapter CA-DC30/CA-DC30E and Interface Cable IFC-600PCU - both sold separately! It won’t recognize anything else . It’s a shame! While Sony has an automatic lens cap , Canon hasn’t and a cheap plastic cap is supplied. The Sony can sshoot up to 1/4000 SS in a regular mode and up to 1/32000 with an electronic shutter , the Canon goes up to 1/2000 max! Sony has fully controlled minimum shutter speed in auto ISO while the Canon has only three weird settings of Slow , 1/500 and 1/1000 only! This Cannon screen is a pain for street shooters , because it can’t be tilted 90 degrees upwards , it has to be swiveled to the left first. Those are the major differences that I found. Additionally ,the Sony holds the charge longer than the Canon and can be easily charged through the USB while shooting - the Canon can’t! 4K video I don’t really need but only the Sony has it . I can keep the Sony in my jeans pocket and forget it there , while Canon had to be on my neck or in my backpack .There are two good things about the Canon: colour rendition and weather resistance.

I expected for much more prom such an expensive point and shoot camera.

Thanks for this review. It doesn't surprise me in the least, the Sony having a state of the art sensor.

In the DPR shootout between the G1Xmk3 vs the G7Xmk2, even the not so great G7Xmk2 came out better in many respects, including low light. So the Sony which has the better lens, processing & sensor would be as good or better than the G1Xmk3.

Having said all that, if I were to chose a camera to walk around with, I would go for the Canon, no question

Yoy are very welcome!

I don’t know why would someone choose to get all his walk around shots soft . The lens is so soft at the corners and the ages, that it’s not usable at full res ., unless downsized by a good half .

That is the huge frustration with Sony: excellent IQ. Horrible handling.

I don’t find it horrible . With this canon I had a real issue with the AE button that located too close to the OK/Menue button . It cannot be reassigned to , let’s say the video button, and I kept hitting the OK instead of AE.  With Sony one can assign the AE lock to any out of the 5 customizable buttons .

Another thing is the speed of the zoom -It’s SO slow!

If you choose to use the screen as a touchpad for viewfinder  , you’ll keep focusing with your cheeks.

FoxShutter wrote:

telefunk wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

telefunk wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

I have had Sony RX100V for over a year now and I had all the RX100 series previously . I also had some Canons . Last week I picked up Canon G1XIII and returned it after 2 days. The Sony beats it in every possible aspect! It has better autofocus, much sharper lens with much less chromatic aberrations , better (and here I was really shocked ) low light performance and much smaller form factor . While Sony can be charged through USB using the supplied cable and adapter , Canon can’t! It comes only with a wall charger and one has to purchase an additional adapter and a cable ! Yes! Simple iPhone adapter won’t work ! While it works with the Sony one has to buy a specific Compact Power Adapter CA-DC30/CA-DC30E and Interface Cable IFC-600PCU - both sold separately! It won’t recognize anything else . It’s a shame! While Sony has an automatic lens cap , Canon hasn’t and a cheap plastic cap is supplied. The Sony can sshoot up to 1/4000 SS in a regular mode and up to 1/32000 with an electronic shutter , the Canon goes up to 1/2000 max! Sony has fully controlled minimum shutter speed in auto ISO while the Canon has only three weird settings of Slow , 1/500 and 1/1000 only! This Cannon screen is a pain for street shooters , because it can’t be tilted 90 degrees upwards , it has to be swiveled to the left first. Those are the major differences that I found. Additionally ,the Sony holds the charge longer than the Canon and can be easily charged through the USB while shooting - the Canon can’t! 4K video I don’t really need but only the Sony has it . I can keep the Sony in my jeans pocket and forget it there , while Canon had to be on my neck or in my backpack .There are two good things about the Canon: colour rendition and weather resistance.

I expected for much more prom such an expensive point and shoot camera.

Thanks for this review. It doesn't surprise me in the least, the Sony having a state of the art sensor.

In the DPR shootout between the G1Xmk3 vs the G7Xmk2, even the not so great G7Xmk2 came out better in many respects, including low light. So the Sony which has the better lens, processing & sensor would be as good or better than the G1Xmk3.

Having said all that, if I were to chose a camera to walk around with, I would go for the Canon, no question

Yoy are very welcome!

I don’t know why would someone choose to get all his walk around shots soft . The lens is so soft at the corners and the ages, that it’s not usable at full res ., unless downsized by a good half .

That is the huge frustration with Sony: excellent IQ. Horrible handling.

I don’t find it horrible . With this canon I had a real issue with the AE button that located too close to the OK/Menue button . It cannot be reassigned to , let’s say the video button, and I kept hitting the OK instead of AE. With Sony one can assign the AE lock to any out of the 5 customizable buttons .

Another thing is the speed of the zoom -It’s SO slow!

If you choose to use the screen as a touchpad for viewfinder , you’ll keep focusing with your cheeks.

Having owned the RX100 + RX100mk3, I know how good they are. But they are designed by playstation geeks, not photographers. Canon is a pleasure to use, but often not as good for picture quality....

Plagen wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

Plagen wrote:

FoxShutter wrote:

MarioV wrote:

One of the main reasons for choosing the G1X III is better dynamic range and tonal quality of the aps-c sensor when it comes to landscapes with foliage. If you can't see that, or is not that important to you, then by all means go with the versatile 1" sensor.

It’ll ruin all the DR and especially foliage with its noise . Try shooting RX100V (or any of them ) at ISO 80-125 and you’ll get better results !

I don't have either of the cameras but from the DPR review, the G1 XIII noise is much lower than that of the Sony camera.

And why would someone shoot these cameras at 6400 ISO for landscapes? You normally do ? Except test shots perhaps.

Because the noise level of modern sensors at the base or low ISO is pretty much insignificant.

You actually contradict your own statement here . If there is no significance so why bother ?!

So your statement the G1XIII is noisier than RX100V is doesn't have any sense from the practical point of view. And it is not correct anyway.

But going up in ISO, it is evident that the noise of Sony becomes progressively worse.

Here also . Canon gets to these higher ISOs much faster due to its  slow lens: Canon Just starts at F5.6 at tele , while Sony is still at 2.8.

Your shots pretty incomplete, since they don’t show the settings but ISOs only .