I own a 330 HS

toomanycanons wrote:

and enjoy shooting with it. Is there any reason for me to get an S100 as well? I saw a low mileage one for sale and wondered if its slightly larger sensor made a difference in IQ.

At wide angle in low light you might see some improvement, otherwise I doubt it would be worth it. The 330 punches far above its weight.

you could try playing with chdk to add raw support to the 330 and play around with that, you may find some free improvement to your IQ! As well as gaining some of the manual controls you would get with an s100.

rpm40 wrote:

toomanycanons wrote:

and enjoy shooting with it. Is there any reason for me to get an S100 as well? I saw a low mileage one for sale and wondered if its slightly larger sensor made a difference in IQ.

At wide angle in low light you might see some improvement, otherwise I doubt it would be worth it. The 330 punches far above its weight.

you could try playing with chdk to add raw support to the 330 and play around with that, you may find some free improvement to your IQ! As well as gaining some of the manual controls you would get with an s100.

Thanks for the reply.  Yeah, it would be nice to have raw in my 330 but really I just use it for snapshots and SOOC the jpegs are perfectly acceptable, even remarkable most of the time.

..without some appreciation of what you think the HS 330 is missing that the other will provide as you elect to use them both.  What capabilities will the other supply that would justify the outright expense, and that the 330 absolutely cannot do for you?  Answer those questions honestly and you'll derive your own answer.

I have the Canon and keep it with me most of the time.  My cell phone in one special pocket on the right side of my walking shorts, and the Canon in the left counterpart.  The modest zoom, but a fantastic 12 MP and processor make it as capable as larger and more costly cameras in my view.  I know it will eventually wear out, and rue the day.  Maybe cell phones will have replaced it by then.  We can hope.....

gloaming wrote:

..without some appreciation of what you think the HS 330 is missing that the other will provide as you elect to use them both. What capabilities will the other supply that would justify the outright expense, and that the 330 absolutely cannot do for you? Answer those questions honestly and you'll derive your own answer.

I have the Canon and keep it with me most of the time. My cell phone in one special pocket on the right side of my walking shorts, and the Canon in the left counterpart. The modest zoom, but a fantastic 12 MP and processor make it as capable as larger and more costly cameras in my view. I know it will eventually wear out, and rue the day. Maybe cell phones will have replaced it by then. We can hope.....

You have "the Canon".  The Canon 330 or the S100?  There's really nothing I think is missing in my 330 except raw  but I have my full frame cameras for that, ya know.  I guess it's just a curiosity about sensor comparisons and actually having raw in a quality point and shoot.

As you can see from my username, I used to have too many Canons, like 15 of them in a drawer.  I liked every one of them  but time marches on and now I've just got the one 330.  And five DSLRs.   It sure does come in handy as a grab/get the shot quickly camera to always have in the car.  I've never taken a pic with my phone and probably never will.

toomanycanons wrote:

gloaming wrote:

..without some appreciation of what you think the HS 330 is missing that the other will provide as you elect to use them both. What capabilities will the other supply that would justify the outright expense, and that the 330 absolutely cannot do for you? Answer those questions honestly and you'll derive your own answer.

I have the Canon and keep it with me most of the time. My cell phone in one special pocket on the right side of my walking shorts, and the Canon in the left counterpart. The modest zoom, but a fantastic 12 MP and processor make it as capable as larger and more costly cameras in my view. I know it will eventually wear out, and rue the day. Maybe cell phones will have replaced it by then. We can hope.....

You have "the Canon". The Canon 330 or the S100? There's really nothing I think is missing in my 330 except raw but I have my full frame cameras for that, ya know. I guess it's just a curiosity about sensor comparisons and actually having raw in a quality point and shoot.

As you can see from my username, I used to have too many Canons, like 15 of them in a drawer. I liked every one of them but time marches on and now I've just got the one 330. And five DSLRs. It sure does come in handy as a grab/get the shot quickly camera to always have in the car. I've never taken a pic with my phone and probably never will.

I don't understand your answer.  This camera has raw with CHDK (as I remember and as stated above). So that's what I don't understand in your answer. If you want raw you can add it and if not that's fine too.

What am I missing?

toomanycanons wrote:

You have "the Canon". The Canon 330 or the S100? ...

Sorry, meant the 330.  I like its jpeg output and rarely do much processing of them.   As the other responder says, below, you can get RAW support and output with CHDK for the 330.

Marty Too wrote:

toomanycanons wrote:

gloaming wrote:

..without some appreciation of what you think the HS 330 is missing that the other will provide as you elect to use them both. What capabilities will the other supply that would justify the outright expense, and that the 330 absolutely cannot do for you? Answer those questions honestly and you'll derive your own answer.

I have the Canon and keep it with me most of the time. My cell phone in one special pocket on the right side of my walking shorts, and the Canon in the left counterpart. The modest zoom, but a fantastic 12 MP and processor make it as capable as larger and more costly cameras in my view. I know it will eventually wear out, and rue the day. Maybe cell phones will have replaced it by then. We can hope.....

You have "the Canon". The Canon 330 or the S100? There's really nothing I think is missing in my 330 except raw but I have my full frame cameras for that, ya know. I guess it's just a curiosity about sensor comparisons and actually having raw in a quality point and shoot.

As you can see from my username, I used to have too many Canons, like 15 of them in a drawer. I liked every one of them but time marches on and now I've just got the one 330. And five DSLRs. It sure does come in handy as a grab/get the shot quickly camera to always have in the car. I've never taken a pic with my phone and probably never will.

I don't understand your answer. This camera has raw with CHDK (as I remember and as stated above). So that's what I don't understand in your answer. If you want raw you can add it and if not that's fine too.

What am I missing?

Never used CHDK and would prefer a camera with native raw.

toomanycanons wrote:

Marty Too wrote:

toomanycanons wrote:

gloaming wrote:

..without some appreciation of what you think the HS 330 is missing that the other will provide as you elect to use them both. What capabilities will the other supply that would justify the outright expense, and that the 330 absolutely cannot do for you? Answer those questions honestly and you'll derive your own answer.

I have the Canon and keep it with me most of the time. My cell phone in one special pocket on the right side of my walking shorts, and the Canon in the left counterpart. The modest zoom, but a fantastic 12 MP and processor make it as capable as larger and more costly cameras in my view. I know it will eventually wear out, and rue the day. Maybe cell phones will have replaced it by then. We can hope.....

You have "the Canon". The Canon 330 or the S100? There's really nothing I think is missing in my 330 except raw but I have my full frame cameras for that, ya know. I guess it's just a curiosity about sensor comparisons and actually having raw in a quality point and shoot.

As you can see from my username, I used to have too many Canons, like 15 of them in a drawer. I liked every one of them but time marches on and now I've just got the one 330. And five DSLRs. It sure does come in handy as a grab/get the shot quickly camera to always have in the car. I've never taken a pic with my phone and probably never will.

I don't understand your answer. This camera has raw with CHDK (as I remember and as stated above). So that's what I don't understand in your answer. If you want raw you can add it and if not that's fine too.

What am I missing?

Never used CHDK and would prefer a camera with native raw.

Since you've never used CHDK and have too many Canons I would suggest you don't try it on the 330 until after you have mastered it on another Canon.

If you are a gadget freak to any degree,  you should try CHDK at least once.  Even without the raw function it is a blast to play with.  You can customize your screen,  add time lapse and if I remember correctly you can even add a motion detection shutter trigger.

There are so many options built into this reversible firmware enhancing tool that I would imagine fewer than one in a hundred users would try them all.

BUT, the button implementation on the 330 is not as nice as on most other Canons!!!

I know, I know...why?  The price was right and it's a camera I always wanted...back when I was mainly a point and shoot photog.

I'm picking it up tomorrow, will do a thorough test drive of it (comparing it to my 330) and I'll report back.

Just as an aside:  I had a Nikon J1 a few years back.  It was a very competent 1" sensor camera and I was always comparing it to my D3300.  "Wow, look at this image, it's almost as good as my D3300!"  At least with a true small sensor point and shoot, you just have to accept its output for what it is.

OMG the 330...best $110 I ever spent. The camera was slow but some of the photos could be scary good. In my first week,  I took a photo looking 4 blocks down the street. Pic was so clear and crisp it was like looking out a window. Never had that happen with a pocket camera. I still buy old 330s off ebay. But I also bought a 730 today thats still in the box (toying with getting SX60 instead)

it's almost like an unfair comparison. My 330's lens is sharp corner to corner all the way to 10x zoom. The S100 just isn't as sharp. Corners are slightly blurry and it's not as sharp at 5x as the 330 is at 10x.

I've read about copy variations on the S100 lens (like the review here at DPR) and I wouldn't say my S100 lens is faulty, it's just not as sharp. If a guy didn't pixel peep he wouldn't notice. Or compare side x side with a classic like the 330.

I've tried bringing up raws from the S100 but they don't have much headroom to do anything (guess I'm spoiled bringing up shadows and taming highlights with my full frame cameras) so I'm just shooting it on Jpeg figuring, what the heck, I'm not after stellar IQ, it's just a point and shoot after all.

I don't really don't have time to walk around shooting snapshots (I work with my cameras usually) so this was just an experiment shooting snapshots whereas normally I just carry my 330 in my car for quick/emergency shots.

I went into this not knowing what to expect and knowing what to expect both at the same time. If the S100's lens was sharper that would be one thing. If shooting it in raw delivered amazing results, that would be another. Having all the controls it has almost isn't a benefit but mini-hurdles one has to navigate just to get the same shots as my 330 does effortlessly.

My last testing is going to be downtown (where I usually shoot with my D810). I'm just gonna walk around scouting locations with the S100 and I'll report back my findings.

GeraldW wrote:

Based on my experience with the S90 and S95 (same sensor and lens); they need some in-camera sharpening to be printable SOOC. I think part of the deal is the S series are intended as enthusiast's cameras, and the ELPH series are aimed at the snapshot shooter and as a result, have more punched up defaults.

What mode have you used for the S100? I know the S90 does better SOOC in Program than it does in Auto; but I have zero experience with the S100.

When I shoot in  jpeg plus raw, you can't dial up anything in jpeg, it's just some standard default output.  If I shoot in jpeg only I have the usual choices:   Vivid, Standard etc so I've been shooting in Vivid as I do on the 330.

I always tweak all my DSLR images but I haven't had to on the 330.  It's pretty amazing how its default Vivid output is pretty darn good.  As you know.

I started on A with the S100 but finally wound up in P, like the 330.  I never shoot in Auto on any camera.  I shoot in A, sometimes M on my DSLRs.

GeraldW wrote:

Of course, you can use Vivid with the S100; but if it's defaults are like the S90/95, it needs some in-camera sharpening, and maybe saturation.

I'm probably in a different position than a lot of photogs on this forum because I shoot with DSLRs mainly for work and have the wonderful 330 for car-carry, macros of my watches and whatnot.

I bought the S100 because A) great price B) it was the camera I really wanted back then C) what the heck, let's just buy it and try it.

I went through a ton of small sensor point and shoots a long time ago but that was then. I'm probably going to sell this S100 because I've found out what I wanted to find out but, really, don't need, my 330 does it for me.

I had a Nikon J1 for a couple of years: small formfactor, 1" sensor, pretty amazing images...but ultimately I didn't need it and sold it.

True story: in my work, I get hassled by security cops all the time "what are you doing???" they'll ask while I'm taking pics. In fact, that happened on July 4th at 6am "what are you doing????". I usually answer "as you see". Anyway...

I'm downtown today, cruising around playing tourist with my S100, shooting away not knowing what I'm capturing when, at a train station, a security cop comes up and asks "'what are you taking pictures of ?" 99.99% of the general population never get asked that question but for me...well, it happens even when I have a point and shoot in my hands, go figure. This was the pic I was taking (SOOC jpeg, shooting jpeg plus raw so who knows what degree of tweaking in camera was done):

You can see a security cop on the left approaching. The cop that first talked to me was on my right. They were converging on the guy with the S100, THE ENEMY it seems. I guess I'm used to it, at least I'm always expecting it.