That's it: my Em1.2 is gone before I destroy it.

Tommi K1 wrote:

Wu Jiaqiu wrote:

You can see this in your replies to me but the penny has yet to drop it seems

So which is the easiest way from these 2 manuals to get silent shooting via the electronic shutter since you claim Nikon's menus are so bad or something

Olympus, as you get to set all the shutter modes from one menu. You press one button on top of the camera and you get all the shutter modes, mechanical as electronic choices with timers as sequential release modes. And you are done.

If NIkon would have wanted to be easier, you would need to press F once to toggle between the shutter modes between mechanical or electronic with just confirmation on screen, just as "On/Off" function.

But are you going to set all other shutter modes via that same button like 10s timer or 5 FPS sequential shooting speed or programmed 10 frame shooting for stacking?

No, Nikon doesn't seem to allow to user select the shutter mode from there.

Just think about it. Olympus offers one place to select the shutter release mode, you don't need to think where you enable something or where you select the other mode. You choose it from one place.

When you are photographing wedding, you use mechanical anti-shock mode outdoors and when people come in the church by using flashes etc. Then when the ceremony starts you switch to silent shutter mode. Then when the new couple walks out and music is played, you switch to mechanical again for flashes. At outdoors you switch to high speed sequence for quick bursts from fast situations.

The same thing can be used in wildlife, first you go to silent when subjects are stationary (talking about not E-M1 II here) and you crawl closer to them. You shoot as long possible without noise. Once the action happens you can switch to high burst mechanical shutter. Now with E-M1 II that thing changed otherway, as you can stay almost all the time in silent mode and almost never use mechanical.

It is as well nice (and not nice) when you turn On a Focus Stacking with press of a Fn button and camera automatically enables silent H mode, so you don't need to care anything about it. But then you turn Off that mode and you are back to previous shutter mode. But then you would sometimes have control for that so use a mechanical shutter even when it is slower and you need the anti-shock mode be used, but still have the possibility.

that's assuming you remember that a heart symbol means silent shooting with an electronic shutter.......who thought that was a good idea lol

Tommi K1 wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Tell me: where that I say that I could not shoot lightning because the camera is at fault?

And why does it matter to anyone that you can't handle the specific camera?

Ask them.

Why to come to say how it is not for you?

Because I felt like it.

I don't go around Canon or Nikon forums saying that neither one can anymore do cameras for me, regardless did I find something far better or even if it would be that I couldn't anymore handle them. It is irrelevant and trolling to get Canon/Nikon to go fight Mirrorless vs DSLR or Canon vs Nikon or Canon/Nikon vs m4/3 etc.

It is very simple: do what you like and don't what you don't.

Ken Gosden wrote:

Historicity wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Because at first the lighting trigger triggered and triggered with no lightning on it. So I was taken back since I know it works well. But for some reason just nothing. always too late. So I thought: may be the first curtain is sowehow activated....So where is it? Well: nowhere to be found for me. That is my main point: I should be able to find it quickly in some logical manner. May be I am not so logical, may be Oly is not so logical or both. Who knows....

I sympathise with your droll, non-offensive, comment on the Olympus menu system.

I tend to shudder a little when I realise that I need to adjust “something in there” and I am not sure where it is. There is no doubt that Olympus menu system firmware needs a complete re-write and revision. But unfortunately two things stand in the way - the easiest is the most expensive and complicated - a “back to taws” - complete start again to make it logical by basic design as I suspect that the underlying firmware has simply been added to in hap-hazard fashion since digital was a boy and the internal core of code might have become quite complex. The second is much harder - those that have become used to it are going to be terribly confused by a new more logical system no matter how logical it has become.

Tom,

I sympathize with the OP as well, but at the same time I'm using this as a reminder not to get the EM2. I have been using Pentax cameras since Olympus quit making DSLRs, but getting a bit old (83) thought I should prepare for times when I didn't like carrying my APS-C or Full-frame cameras; so what light-weight system should I add? Obviously Olympus. So while Pentax was having a donnybrook over DPReview's review of the K1 mark ii upgrade, I decided to go ahead and do it: I bought an OMD-EM5 Mk ii and an OMD-EM1 (first version). I read about the EM1 Mark II's menu system and was scared off. DPReviews love customizability (the Pentax K1 Mk II) lost points for not having enough of it. But I'll bet the EM1 Mk ii gained a lot of points for their system.

I shoot just landscapes on hikes; so how hard can these cameras be? I went through all the settings, set everything and went on hikes. I bought the 12-40 and was on a hike with my dogs yesterday (5-26-18), when one of them acted up. I put my camera in the bag to deal with a misbehaving dog (the middle-sized one was being too rough with he smallest one). When I took the camera back out, I was no longer in AF. I thought of the daunting menu system, tried some things I hadn't used before, gave up and headed back to the Jeep. Half way there I realized the problem was with the lens, found the slide on the lens, changed it back to AF, but I was steamed by that time (at both the dogs and the camera), and steam doesn't dissipate very quickly. Thus, my amusement at the OPs expense -- sorry OP. ;-(

When Olympus first started selling the 12-40 with the clutch there were almost daily threads on the forum about "my camera is stuck in MF." I must admit that even now i occasionally grab the camera and one of my pro lenses has slipped into MF causing me to think I hit the camera button i have programmed for AF/MF. It would be great if Olympus could add an indicator in the EVF to show 'Lens MF engaged'.

Thanks, Ken

Maybe no one will make fun of me for that mistake then. 

I took the 14-150 for a hike the other day and it was very smooth and nice.  The shots if anything seem better than with my kit lenses, the 14-40 and 40-150; which I previously found no fault with.  The 12-40 was heavier of course, but also a bit stiff and slower to focus, but no doubt that was just me.  I'm sure after I get used to it, it will seem faster to focus.

But next time I want to try my 14-54ii with the MMF-3.  I've read that some are still using that lens and haven't invested in any serious micro-4/3 glass yet.  Not that the 12-40 is all that serious, but since my original plan was to have on hand a serious light-weight system for when I want to go light, I should seek out light-weight glass for my EM1.  Of course my old DSLR glass won't be light, someone said that the 14-54ii seemed somewhat light; so I have to try it.  And, despite my goal I plan to try my other glass as well.  I've got the 18-80 and 9-16 and several primes -- can't recall all of them but they are probably on my gear list.

My Pentax full-frame K1 is still in the shop being converted to a Mark II.  Using an OMD-EM1 every time out is spoiling me.  I'll have a learning curve before I get used to a heavy full-frame camera again.

Lawrence

In my case I don't plan anything like photographing lightning strikes. My "problem" if problem it turns out to be, will be that I don't intend to run Olympus as my only system. I sent my full-frame K1 in for the upgrade to K1 Mark ii, and it will come back in a couple of weeks. I also have several AFS-C cameras, and a wide selection of Pentax lenses, but some days I want to use something light. I bought an EPM2 a few years ago when I injured my shoulder and left arm. But I decided I wanted something more serious. Thus, I've been dealing with a daunting menu system -- which isn't even as daunting as the EM1 Mark II.

Actually, I'm not having any real problems, but I wonder if I won't be a little like the OP if I've been using my Pentax gear for several weeks, ding up an arm or a leg by tripping over a dead branch on a hike, decide to use my EM1, put my light-weight 14-150 on it, head out and something suddenly behaves weirdly. . . I may very well turn into the OP. I'm mostly amused by all this, so no serious lectures please! And sorry once again OP if I've offended you. ;-(

Lawrence

In short these words have various meanings and describe various ways how you can think you can manage something you consciously never managed or handled before.

I can easily navigate three camerabrands and I cannot say the same about one particular brand at all. I never blamed any cam, I left it open what is the cause of this.