That's it: my Em1.2 is gone before I destroy it.

So we have a great lightningshow here. I have this trigger that works alright. But my Em1.2 seems slow and does not catch a thing. It is not the trigger, the trigger is doing fine on aother cams. The I realise: first curtain shutter....Alright. Now where is the setting. I went for 10 minutes trough (I guess most) menu's but just cannot fine the damn thing. I was on the verge of breaking the swivlescreen off. I realised it has some value. And that is where it will go. I never got along with this cam due to the menusystem which clearly  is not for me. tried my GH4, found the setting in less than 20 seconds. I havenot used that cam since jan 2017. So it is clear which cams will fit me better even though I am taken back by the lack of service Panny gets people with at least some lenses.

Jorginho wrote:

So we have a great lightningshow here. I have this trigger that works alright. But my Em1.2 seems slow and does not catch a thing. It is not the trigger, the trigger is doing fine on aother cams. The I realise: first curtain shutter....Alright. Now where is the setting. I went for 10 minutes trough (I guess most) menu's but just cannot fine the damn thing. I was on the verge of breaking the swivlescreen off. I realised it has some value. And that is where it will go. I never got along with this cam due to the menusystem which clearly is not for me. tried my GH4, found the setting in less than 20 seconds. I havenot used that cam since jan 2017. So it is clear which cams will fit me better even though I am taken back by the lack of service Panny gets people with at least some lenses.

....at no charge to you. I will even give you my FedEx account so you can bill the shipping to me

I know this is not a perfect solution, but a search function could be useful. It takes 30 seconds to type the keyword on the freaking touch screen, but it can still be much faster than digging into the menus. The search could also be used to access a simplified version of camera manual + essential photography concepts. The next logical things would of course be speech recognition, loading the manual from the internet via WiFi, anti-virus/malware protection etc...

Why did you go into menus instead of accessing the shutter options directly?

Andrew

When you shoot lighting you tend to shoot in your car. Certainly with fast moving storms you need to be snappy so I tend to jump into the car and deploy as fast as possible. I do not have anything with me most of the time. Not even a phone, I don't tend to carry these with me whenever I go on  either hiking through nature or these kind of trips.

Of course I was reacting out of extreme frustration because the lighting show was great and I missed on after another great bolt....And so my anger vented here was just that: anger out of sheer frustration. But  it seals the deal. I need to be able to find all the functions on my cam with ease. I am not saying any cam is better or worse here. I am saying that Oly menusystem for me just does not work at all. I just can't seem to find any logic in it...I am also irritated very much by the descriptions on screen with  every item you click on...How do I get rid of that...etcetcetc.....

I was kind of joking with the internet access, but the search function could easily be implemented. Alternatively there could be an alphabetic list of settings and functions (with or without synonyms).

EFC-setting is kind of preparation phase setting, and therefore it should be easily accessible (Q.Menu or SCP): http://cameraergonomics.blogspot.fi/2012/03/setup-prepare-capture-and-review-phases.html

Because at first the lighting trigger triggered and triggered with  no lightning on it. So I was taken back since I know it works well. But for some reason just nothing. always too late. So I thought: may be the first curtain is sowehow activated....So where is it? Well: nowhere to be found for me. That is my main point: I should be  able to find it quickly in some logical manner. May be I am not so logical, may be Oly  is not so logical or both. Who knows....

But I would find it more fun just to dismantle it in search of the elusive EFC shutter in there and then start another rant here that I could not find it 

Jorginho wrote:

Because at first the lighting trigger triggered and triggered with no lightning on it. So I was taken back since I know it works well. But for some reason just nothing. always too late. So I thought: may be the first curtain is sowehow activated....So where is it? Well: nowhere to be found for me. That is my main point: I should be able to find it quickly in some logical manner. May be I am not so logical, may be Oly is not so logical or both. Who knows....

The logic of Olympus goes through the SCP or the function controls.

Andrew

Jorginho wrote:

So we have a great lightningshow here. I have this trigger that works alright. But my Em1.2 seems slow and does not catch a thing. It is not the trigger, the trigger is doing fine on aother cams. The I realise: first curtain shutter....Alright. Now where is the setting. I went for 10 minutes trough (I guess most) menu's but just cannot fine the damn thing. I was on the verge of breaking the swivlescreen off. I realised it has some value. And that is where it will go. I never got along with this cam due to the menusystem which clearly is not for me. tried my GH4, found the setting in less than 20 seconds. I havenot used that cam since jan 2017. So it is clear which cams will fit me better even though I am taken back by the lack of service Panny gets people with at least some lenses.

You must really love lightning. If you send it to me, i will give you ever lightning pic i take.

Um, I know this is silly, but isn't the curtain sync to do with flash? That would be on page 58ff of the manual? Activated from the SCP, it says.

Bingo!

thanks

Tommi K1 wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

I am also irritated very much by the descriptions on screen with every item you click on...How do I get rid of that...etcetcetc.....

It would be sometimes good to look around what you have.

When you press MENU to get the menu up, at the bottom of the screen there are your options. And bottom there is clearly at center visible [X] INFO each time the tool tip pop-up. Meaning once you press the INFO button, the tool tips are not shown on screen.

I saw that but here was my interpretation: "Push X to get rid of the INFO"! Since it is not touchscreen when it comes to menu's like these, it is futile to evn try to touch the X so I was amazed. In the dark I could actually not see the Info button. I am sure that if I did I would have understood...

I think it is time for you to learn what different function actually are doing and what they belong to. As Olympus has grouped then very well, one of the, if not the best in the industry actually. Problem is that they are too well done, so some people get frustrated as they just want settings to be grouped without logic because they want just their few wanted to be on screen without any other settings.

No. After 1,5 yrs it is time to stop complaining (I was extremely frustrated when I opened this thread) and  sell it. Just not for me. Again: with Panasonic there is nothing to learn  for me. And I dislike Panasonic a lot for what they are doing with  out of warranty 100-400s but at least I understand their cams even after 1,5yrs of no use....They just make sense to me.

That is the funniest thing. You get a new cam, it is 26 december and you like to try it. You think "I don't quite get this?" The you look for a book. And there is none. You need a PC or phone and download it...Great. With my GH4 I at least had a book.

Second point: OP never ever had to read a book for his GH4 in the first place bar one thing...Setting the frequency of the cam, which is needed and not clear. That is it. Setting customsettings etcetcetc...never needed a book.

With Oly I seem to need to understand that a heart means this and a diamondkind of icon means something else. With Oly I need to understand that under some circumstances the tocuhscreen just doesn't work while at some times you need to set it so you can then make it work. time and time again. And when you change a setting in SCP you need to restart the SCP if you wanted to change more than one setting. Etcetc.

So to some it seems logical and easy and for me not. Another one: my cam is now in 4K flat mode....I have no clue how to get it out of that mode. Just not even a hint by gping through the menu. The SCP is not the way, there is no other option there...Great!

but I'm sure you will feel better now you have done the deed

reading your posts over time I got the impression that you and the EM-1 mk2 were not a match made in heaven and that you were much happier with the Panasonic way of doing things, so happiness should now reign

Jorginho wrote:

So we have a great lightningshow here. I have this trigger that works alright. But my Em1.2 seems slow and does not catch a thing. It is not the trigger, the trigger is doing fine on aother cams. The I realise: first curtain shutter....Alright. Now where is the setting. I went for 10 minutes trough (I guess most) menu's but just cannot fine the damn thing. I was on the verge of breaking the swivlescreen off. I realised it has some value. And that is where it will go. I never got along with this cam due to the menusystem which clearly is not for me. tried my GH4, found the setting in less than 20 seconds. I havenot used that cam since jan 2017. So it is clear which cams will fit me better even though I am taken back by the lack of service Panny gets people with at least some lenses.

I had similar problems sometimes, but with my Panasonic GX85. When I do timelapses, I don't really think about how to set up my OM-D's but when I tried with my GX85 I'd surf through the menus for ten-fifteen minutes before I just looked it up with a quick internet search.

Have you tried Live Composite for lightning?