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M5 vs. M50?

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ex human Regular Member • Posts: 194
M5 vs. M50?

I'm considering one of these due to the compactness and recent price drops.  I'm not really clear on what differentiates these two.  They seem very similar in design, features, and pricing.  If anyone has a quick answer I'd be much obliged.

Cheers!

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Helen Veteran Member • Posts: 7,606
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ex human wrote:

I'm considering one of these due to the compactness and recent price drops. I'm not really clear on what differentiates these two. They seem very similar in design, features, and pricing. If anyone has a quick answer I'd be much obliged.

Cheers!

I have both. The M5 is the top model in the range, whilst the M50 is positioned as a "premium beginner" model (kind of!) and is the latest introduction, and so has benefitted from a new processing engine (DigiC 8). This has led to quite a few differences in the way it operates, which for me are beneficial, even though it is officially aimed lower and I am an enthusiast who enjoys extra features.

Physically they are quite similar as you noticed - a similar overall size and shape. The EVFs are identical - the LCD monitors are different - the M50's is slightly smaller (the M5's is unusually large for the camera's size) and whilst the M5's is a tilt-only screen, it can face forwards too by angling it vertically UNDER the camera. The M50 has a more typically-Canon side-hinged fully articulating, rotating screen, which can of course also face forwards, but equally can be parked with the screen inwards for protection if required. Unusually for this particular type of screen, it is more securely parked within the body than typical whichever way it faces when not unfolded, as the bottom edge of the screen IS surrounded by the bodywork - most of this type are not and waggle a bit. I find the EVF and LCD saturation on the M50 to be correct for me, and a good match for each other - with the M5, the EVF is overly contrasty and over-saturated (for my taste) whilst the LCD seems washed out - I cannot get them to match and it is annoying at times.

As a higher-end model, the M5 has more physical controls - it has two control dials on top (the one around the shutter release and the top-mounted dial on the same side, with a function control switch in its centre - this dial I find slightly awkward to reach, but not all users will), and a rotating/pressable ring around the 4-way control on the back - the M50 only has the control dial around the shutter release - the 4-way buttons on the rear are just that, buttons. I use the shutter-release control dial the most on the M5, which is perhaps why I feel less limited by the lack of the other two dials than I expected with the M50.

The M50 lacks a physical exposure compensation dial on top too - one uses one of the 4-way buttons to tell it to go into exposure compensation. As I am not someone who particularly demands a full-time physical dial for this, its omission doesn't bother me. The M50 lacks a lock on the mode dial, though as it is the type on the M5 that requires holding down to turn the dial at any time, I don't regret its loss (I prefer a toggle on/off lock if there is one) and I don't seem to turn the mode dial by accident on the M50 - perhaps some users would. Unfortunately the M50 does lack both of the two user-configurable custom setup positions on the mode dial that the M5 has, which is unfortunate if you like to have customised setups at the ready. It has also jettisoned the in-camera sweep panorama mode if you like that.  I prefer that the mode dial and power switch are for right-hand use on the M50, rather than left as on the M5.  The M50 has simple fixed strap loops on the body - the M5 has the more "classic" style strap lugs which a metal loop on the strap hooks onto - the particular locking design of the strap lugs for the M5's original strap is one that I occasionally accidentally unlock (no disasters so far!) but I expect many people don't hold the strap the way I do, which is what causes this.

Some packages of the M5 include the free EF/EF-S to EF-M mount adapter to use DSLR lenses on the camera, though note that the packaged version does not include the removable tripod mount included with the separately-bought version (it still can take it, it's just not included).  However, if you want the adapter, it's well worth looking for these packages.  In my country you cannot buy it with the M50 in a kit.

Both cameras have exteriors made entirely of polycarbonate aside from metal items such as the hotshoe etc. - the dials of the M5 seem to be metal while I think they're only metal plated on the M50. The M5 is covered in larger areas of rubberised leatherette than the M50, which arguably makes it feel a bit more solid, but I actually always felt it seemed plasticky for its elevated original price (at which I bought it) whilst the M50 is a lot cheaper so it seems more reasonably that it feels this way (my M50 is the white version, which has a really thick, glossy enamel finish and doesn't resonate as much as the sandpaper-like finish of the black M50; the M50 is painted with a smooth, satin graphite). The built in flash of the M50 requires lifting to use; the M5 has a mechanical button to pop it up, but both operate similarly.  I suspect the M50 may be a shade less robust than the M5 but this may be purely subjective.

The M50 has a lower battery capacity as it uses the cheaper LP-E12 versus the M5's LP-E17, though the LP-E12 isn't a chipped battery so is probably easier to find satisfactory third-party replacements for.

The M50, being newer, has quite a number of subtle operation differences (check a REALLY long set of posts I did a month or two ago about how the menus differ). It has 4K video but with well-publicised limitations (a very strong crop, doesn't use its DPAF autofocus for 4K). I do like that it has the option of using it for silent stills shooting - this is in a special scene mode, so limited to program exposure and with quite a few of the customisations unavailable, but still better than not having the option at all, which is how the M5 is. I also like that the M50 has regained the ability to show the exposure meter "live" for a duration of your choice when you are using single-shot AF and single shooting, whereas the M5 would only activate the meter in these settings on half-pressing the shutter button, at which point AE was automatically locked anyway. Let go on the M5, and the info would disappear. On the M50, it dynamically updates (still locks on half-press) which I MUCH prefer.

There are lots of other subtle differences and I have no doubt missed a lot out; all I can say is that for me, the M50 is much more to my taste, contrary to my expectations. Before that, the M5 was the nicest M-series I'd used, but still lacked a number of things compared with other brands that I'd come to value, and seemed a particular shame given its high price when I got it. The M50 closes that gap considerably and was much cheaper (practically half the price) which no doubt colours my opinion, but I find it much more rewarding to use (I like the straight out-of-camera results a bit better too).

Obviously it would be best of all if you could handle both in a store to get an idea of which feels most comfortable for you, but I hope this helps a little. Sorry it's not a quick answer, though!

OP ex human Regular Member • Posts: 194
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That's a great response.  I wasn't expecting something so detailed.  Thanks for taking the time to write down your observations.  You're pushing me further toward the M50--all I want is something compact with great IQ; I prefer to adjust all settings manually on-the-fly.  Sorry--one final question: have you noticed much difference in AF performance/sensitivity between the two?  The M50 is starting to look like a pretty good deal at this point.  I'm thinking it would be hilarious to use it with the 70-200 2.8II attached 😂

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Wayne Larmon Forum Pro • Posts: 10,694
M50 and CR3 support
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ex human wrote:

I'm considering one of these due to the compactness and recent price drops. I'm not really clear on what differentiates these two. They seem very similar in design, features, and pricing. If anyone has a quick answer I'd be much obliged.

The M50 uses the new CR3 format for raw files. Adobe supports it, but not much else does at this point. If you live in Lightroom this is probably a moot point.

But I don't use Lightroom. I use CC 2018 ACR/Photoshop and depend on Windows Explorer and other image viewers to navigate/cull images so this is a Big Deal for me. Right now I'm punting by shooting raw+JPEG and using the JPEG to identify the CR3 file I want to edit. But this is clumsy.

Otherwise, the M50 is great. I'm planning on eBaying my M6. (I have an original M that I'm keeping.) The M50 has about a stop better low light AF performance. The 15-45mm kit lens can't autofocus at all in dim light on my M6 in the 35-45mm range where it goes from f/5.6 to f6.3. (I think the M5 is the same as the M6 for this.) The M50 can. I love the M50's twistable LCD (the M6's LCD only tilts. The M50 supports tethered shooting with EOS Utility (even though I am having glitches with it right now on Win 10). The M6 and M5 don't support tethering.

Wayne

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ex human wrote:

That's a great response. I wasn't expecting something so detailed. Thanks for taking the time to write down your observations. You're pushing me further toward the M50--all I want is something compact with great IQ; I prefer to adjust all settings manually on-the-fly. Sorry--one final question: have you noticed much difference in AF performance/sensitivity between the two? The M50 is starting to look like a pretty good deal at this point. I'm thinking it would be hilarious to use it with the 70-200 2.8II attached 😂

I use the M5 with the original 100-400

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Helen
Helen Veteran Member • Posts: 7,606
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ex human wrote:

That's a great response. I wasn't expecting something so detailed. Thanks for taking the time to write down your observations. You're pushing me further toward the M50--all I want is something compact with great IQ; I prefer to adjust all settings manually on-the-fly. Sorry--one final question: have you noticed much difference in AF performance/sensitivity between the two? The M50 is starting to look like a pretty good deal at this point. I'm thinking it would be hilarious to use it with the 70-200 2.8II attached 😂

I find the AF a bit improved on the M50 - it's also functionally improved; I like to use a single AF point and on the M5, selecting the smallest size locks out a lot of related functions, whereas this is less the case with the M50 and it will switch automatically between sizes where it has to in some cases, whereas the M5 requires me to remember to switch some settings back.  Certain lenses with the M50 allow more of the image area to be used for AF, and the individual AF areas, being more numerous even for lenses with less than the maximum number available, are smaller and thus able to be more specific when required.

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papybenenuts Regular Member • Posts: 428
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Hi

i got mine 3 weeks ago, alter i sold my 80d

and i am realy happy

the IQ is realy good

i got it un kit with the 18-150 , i can say that it is a very good lens

i take the 11-22 and the 22 too

realy happy

best regards

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Bhotoz Senior Member • Posts: 1,561
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Wayne Larmon wrote:

The M50 has about a stop better low light AF performance. The 15-45mm kit lens can't autofocus at all in dim light on my M6 in the 35-45mm range where it goes from f/5.6 to f6.3. (I think the M5 is the same as the M6 for this.) The M50 can.

That sounds good! I've had focus problems with my M and M3 ef-m 55-200mm mounted in low light / low contrast situations, i.e. sunset at the sea. In the same situations my 5d3/7d2 can focus with Sigma 100-400 f5-6.3 or Tamron 150-600mm without any problems. I've red that M5/M6 would not give much more help. Great if M50 would do it better! Wish it had more external controls...

Alan Sh Senior Member • Posts: 2,757
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Sorry to butt in, but what is the 'in camera sweep panorama mode' that was mentioned above for the M5? I've not found that.

Alan

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Helen Veteran Member • Posts: 7,606
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Alan Sh wrote:

Sorry to butt in, but what is the 'in camera sweep panorama mode' that was mentioned above for the M5? I've not found that.

Alan

Sorry about that, that was me not checking before typing.  I remembered seeing somewhere it being mentioned that the panorama mode was missing on the M50 (indeed it is) and it's not something I use, so I assumed (without actually looking on my M5) that it must have had it, if it was worth pointing out its absence on the M50.  Having now looked, I can't see it on the M5 either (though I could be overlooking something).  I tend to live in P, Tv, Av, M modes and am embarrassingly unfamiliar with the scene modes etc. 

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Helen wrote:

Alan Sh wrote:

Sorry to butt in, but what is the 'in camera sweep panorama mode' that was mentioned above for the M5? I've not found that.

Alan

Sorry about that, that was me not checking before typing. I remembered seeing somewhere it being mentioned that the panorama mode was missing on the M50 (indeed it is) and it's not something I use, so I assumed (without actually looking on my M5) that it must have had it, if it was worth pointing out its absence on the M50. Having now looked, I can't see it on the M5 either (though I could be overlooking something). I tend to live in P, Tv, Av, M modes and am embarrassingly unfamiliar with the scene modes etc.

No worries- thanks for replying

Alan

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Bhotoz Senior Member • Posts: 1,561
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This might be a silly question, but when you view the photo you have taken, how can you zoom it bigger (M50)? I didn't see any external control for it in the pic. Can you configure something or do you have to use touch screen?

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Bhotoz Senior Member • Posts: 1,561
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Cameleon wrote:

Thanks! 👍 So the same way as usual. I just didn't see those markings when I viewed M50's pic from back.

Helen
Helen Veteran Member • Posts: 7,606
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Cameleon wrote:

When you've only just taken the shot (i.e. When in instant review rather than playback) the buttons won't work - you have to use the touchscreen. This is one of the few areas where I preferred the M5 functionality as it would allow the buttons to be used at all times (though you had to set up the camera one time before it would use them at all).

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Thanks.  I didn't know that.  I was zooming by pinching and found it problematic because the EVF proximity sensor triggers when I was pinch-zooming and turning the LCD off and on.  Buttons are more robust.

This is another reason to keep the LCD turned into the body and just use the EVF for everything, most of the time.  The only thing I am lacking now is moving the focus point.

Is there a way to move the focus point without the back LCD?

Wayne

Bhotoz Senior Member • Posts: 1,561
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Helen wrote:

Cameleon wrote:

When you've only just taken the shot (i.e. When in instant review rather than playback) the buttons won't work - you have to use the touchscreen. This is one of the few areas where I preferred the M5 functionality as it would allow the buttons to be used at all times (though you had to set up the camera one time before it would use them at all).

I haven't shot with M5, but in M and M3 I have set image review off, so I can take next photo faster. When I want to see image, I press play button and zoom in and out if needed. So you cannot do this with M50? What do I have to do with touch screen then??

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Re: Zooming in and out. And moving focus point without the back LCD?

Wayne Larmon wrote:

Cameleon wrote:

Thanks. I didn't know that. I was zooming by pinching and found it problematic because the EVF proximity sensor triggers when I was pinch-zooming and turning the LCD off and on. Buttons are more robust.

This is another reason to keep the LCD turned into the body and just use the EVF for everything, most of the time. The only thing I am lacking now is moving the focus point.

Is there a way to move the focus point without the back LCD?

Wayne

Yeah,press the focus point button and move the focus point by pressing the largest button below in the direction you wish to move it.

Myrgjorf Regular Member • Posts: 464
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Wayne Larmon wrote:

Cameleon wrote:


This is another reason to keep the LCD turned into the body and just use the EVF for everything, most of the time. The only thing I am lacking now is moving the focus point.

Is there a way to move the focus point without the back LCD?

Yes. 1) Press the button marked "Zoom Out" and then move the focus point up, right, down, left with using the key pad surrounding "SET". But why wouldn't you use the LCD as a touch pad to move the focus point? In weak moment I prefer the touch pad function to the joystick on my big DSLRs.

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Wayne Larmon Forum Pro • Posts: 10,694
Re: Zooming in and out. And moving focus point without the back LCD?

Myrgjorf wrote:

Wayne Larmon wrote:

Cameleon wrote:

This is another reason to keep the LCD turned into the body and just use the EVF for everything, most of the time. The only thing I am lacking now is moving the focus point.

Is there a way to move the focus point without the back LCD?

Yes. 1) Press the button marked "Zoom Out" and then move the focus point up, right, down, left with using the key pad surrounding "SET".

Thanks.  I got it working now.

But why wouldn't you use the LCD as a touch pad to move the focus point? In weak moment I prefer the touch pad function to the joystick on my big DSLRs.

I want to see if I could completely control the camera with the LCD turned off by having it turned into the back of the camera.  I'd never thought about this when I was using my M6.  Now I have and wanted to be able to.  Not sure that I want to do this all the time but wanted to be able to do it when I want to.  Sometimes there are advantages to not having a big back LCD lighting brightly.

I'm having problems using touch on the back LCD (when I'm not using the EVF) because my fingers keep triggering the EVF proximity sensor, which makes the camera toggle between the EVF and the back LCD.  Especially when pinch zooming in playback mode and scrolling around a zoomed image.

Wayne

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