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They always say never meet your hero

Started May 9, 2018 | User reviews
bofo777 Senior Member • Posts: 2,267
Re: They always say never meet your hero

Tommi K1 wrote:

Robert Evagelista wrote:

75mm at wide open have enough DOF to make the subject super sharp from Ear to Ear.

But f/1.8 leaves other eye, nose and lips then out of focus.

With m4/3 you need to stop down to f/2.8-5.6 range to get the person in focus from tip of the nose to ear, depending your distance for classical framings. F/1.8 is just too shallow and people drop out of focus.

That is what makes 4/3" format so great as for portraiture you need to stop lenses down for enough DOF, and that is why f/1.8 lenses offers if so wanted, shallower DOF than most people needs.

I think your confusing natural bokeh VS OP's brilliant skills at PP ...I shoot portraits with my 1.2 and 0.95 lenses and get all face parts portrait Clear unless very close to subject..remember these lenses act like 1.8 to 2.0 on a FF.....

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19andrew47
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Re: They always say never meet your hero
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A wonderful set Robert, especially those of your family.

Andrew

Jrsilva00
Jrsilva00 Regular Member • Posts: 229
Re: They always say never meet your hero
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Very good portraits!!
Nice use of the 75mm.
It is also my most used and favorite lens.

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Setter Dog Veteran Member • Posts: 5,768
Need similar speed with more focal length
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Simply great shots with this 75mm lens!

I keep coming back to this lens for a fast early morning option on my G85. I need something fast for early morning wildlife trips along the Gros Ventre river in Wyoming.

I'd really like to have a longer focal length with at least F2.8, but there doesn't seem to be anything available?

If anyone has suggestions, I'd appreciate hearing them.

Jack

(unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 7,274
Re: "F/1.8 is just too shallow"
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Quick blind test with five person. All said too shallow... That what means "out of focus" comments.

fishpix
fishpix Forum Member • Posts: 89
Re: They always say never meet your hero

Wow -- Have been mulling a next lens acquisition and this thread may have put me over the top for the 75mm... stunning images -- and the dof 'how deep' debate, to me, is a valuable illustration of the precision that's possible with this lens.
As a relative newcomer to MFT (GX85) -- wondering if there's anything comparable in the Panasonic line up which might be comparable or even outperform on a GX85 given potential compatibility advantages?... or is the 75mm simply hands down the best at this rough focal length?

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fft2000 Contributing Member • Posts: 987
Re: Need similar speed with more focal length
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Setter Dog wrote:

Simply great shots with this 75mm lens!

I keep coming back to this lens for a fast early morning option on my G85. I need something fast for early morning wildlife trips along the Gros Ventre river in Wyoming.

I'd really like to have a longer focal length with at least F2.8, but there doesn't seem to be anything available?

If anyone has suggestions, I'd appreciate hearing them.

Well, there is this brand new Panasonic Leica 200mm f2.8 that even comes bundled with a 1.4x TC...

fft2000 Contributing Member • Posts: 987
Re: "F/1.8 is just too shallow"

Tommi K1 wrote:

Quick blind test with five person. All said too shallow... That what means "out of focus" comments.

There was a comment recently that attested basically EVERY portrait lens to be not sharp. Because people are used to a wide depth of field by their smart phones. And when the tree behind the person is out of focus the image is not sharp, ya know?

Probably this will change as phones get that "portrait mode" thingy with a fake thin DOF so people will get used to that look.

Setter Dog Veteran Member • Posts: 5,768
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fft2000 wrote:

Well, there is this brand new Panasonic Leica 200mm f2.8 that even comes bundled with a 1.4x TC...

Wow,.....that looks like a great lens. I had not heard of this one,....and kinda sorry that I now know about it. I'll have to convince myself that I "need" it since it is a bit pricey.

I went through this before buying my PL 100-400mm and now wonder why I waited so long,....

Thanks,....I think?

Jack

fft2000 Contributing Member • Posts: 987
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Setter Dog wrote:

fft2000 wrote:

Well, there is this brand new Panasonic Leica 200mm f2.8 that even comes bundled with a 1.4x TC...

Wow,.....that looks like a great lens. I had not heard of this one,....and kinda sorry that I now know about it. I'll have to convince myself that I "need" it since it is a bit pricey.

I went through this before buying my PL 100-400mm and now wonder why I waited so long,....

Thanks,....I think?

xD

Yeah, those are the problems we have to face...

Though I still wanted to ask what kind of wildlife you want to photograph. I took some "local" (garden) wildlife these days with an adapted 105mm f2.8 micro-nikkor. Quite like that lens, though it's all manual and no OIS (and no aperture EXIF...).

f2.8 I think...

around f8

Both OOC Jpeg just resized and slightly resharpened.

Setter Dog Veteran Member • Posts: 5,768
Re: Need similar speed with more focal length

Never tried those subjects, but you sure got some great shots there. I'm more of a big game wildlife enthusiast.

Jack

Robert Evagelista
OP Robert Evagelista Veteran Member • Posts: 3,448
Re: They always say never meet your hero

bofo777 wrote:

Tommi K1 wrote:

Robert Evagelista wrote:

75mm at wide open have enough DOF to make the subject super sharp from Ear to Ear.

But f/1.8 leaves other eye, nose and lips then out of focus.

With m4/3 you need to stop down to f/2.8-5.6 range to get the person in focus from tip of the nose to ear, depending your distance for classical framings. F/1.8 is just too shallow and people drop out of focus.

That is what makes 4/3" format so great as for portraiture you need to stop lenses down for enough DOF, and that is why f/1.8 lenses offers if so wanted, shallower DOF than most people needs.

I think your confusing natural bokeh VS OP's brilliant skills at PP ...I shoot portraits with my 1.2 and 0.95 lenses and get all face parts portrait Clear unless very close to subject..remember these lenses act like 1.8 to 2.0 on a FF.....

My PP is Easy.. LR Classic CC --> Vivid --> Reduce Highlights --> Reduce Whites --> Bump up Shadows --> Bump up Contrast...
Then Synch on photos that is taken on the same time , light and angle..

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Ty83
Ty83 Forum Member • Posts: 94
Re: They always say never meet your hero

I have the 25 f1.2 and 12-100 f4...

I really want the 75 f1.8...

But cannot justify it at the moment...

Someone...

Please help me justify it....

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Wu Jiaqiu
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Tommi K1 wrote:

Quick blind test with five person. All said too shallow... That what means "out of focus" comments.

no it's just an opinion and subjective....glad we cleared that up

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James Stirling
James Stirling Veteran Member • Posts: 9,282
Re: They always say never meet your hero

The 75mm is a beautiful lens both in looks and performance and as ably demonstrated by your lovely images capable of superb results. I had it for a while but did not find the focal length to be one I used much.

The eye and skill of the photographer plays no small part in getting the best from any lens . It helps to have attractive models { hence my reluctance to do self portraits }

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bofo777 Senior Member • Posts: 2,267
Re: They always say never meet your hero

Robert Evagelista wrote:

bofo777 wrote:

Tommi K1 wrote:

Robert Evagelista wrote:

75mm at wide open have enough DOF to make the subject super sharp from Ear to Ear.

But f/1.8 leaves other eye, nose and lips then out of focus.

With m4/3 you need to stop down to f/2.8-5.6 range to get the person in focus from tip of the nose to ear, depending your distance for classical framings. F/1.8 is just too shallow and people drop out of focus.

That is what makes 4/3" format so great as for portraiture you need to stop lenses down for enough DOF, and that is why f/1.8 lenses offers if so wanted, shallower DOF than most people needs.

I think your confusing natural bokeh VS OP's brilliant skills at PP ...I shoot portraits with my 1.2 and 0.95 lenses and get all face parts portrait Clear unless very close to subject..remember these lenses act like 1.8 to 2.0 on a FF.....

My PP is Easy.. LR Classic CC --> Vivid --> Reduce Highlights --> Reduce Whites --> Bump up Shadows --> Bump up Contrast...
Then Synch on photos that is taken on the same time , light and angle..

I think your 4th an 8th photo have a little more done then that but very well done.....

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bofo777 Senior Member • Posts: 2,267
Re: They always say never meet your hero

bofo777 wrote:

Robert Evagelista wrote:

bofo777 wrote:

Tommi K1 wrote:

Robert Evagelista wrote:

75mm at wide open have enough DOF to make the subject super sharp from Ear to Ear.

But f/1.8 leaves other eye, nose and lips then out of focus.

With m4/3 you need to stop down to f/2.8-5.6 range to get the person in focus from tip of the nose to ear, depending your distance for classical framings. F/1.8 is just too shallow and people drop out of focus.

That is what makes 4/3" format so great as for portraiture you need to stop lenses down for enough DOF, and that is why f/1.8 lenses offers if so wanted, shallower DOF than most people needs.

I think your confusing natural bokeh VS OP's brilliant skills at PP ...I shoot portraits with my 1.2 and 0.95 lenses and get all face parts portrait Clear unless very close to subject..remember these lenses act like 1.8 to 2.0 on a FF.....

My PP is Easy.. LR Classic CC --> Vivid --> Reduce Highlights --> Reduce Whites --> Bump up Shadows --> Bump up Contrast...
Then Synch on photos that is taken on the same time , light and angle..

I think your 4th an 8th photo have a little more done then that but very well done.....

Let me clarify what I said esp on the 8th photo was that the natural bokeh or did you PP some extra ....either way a great shot but if that was natural bokeh.. BRAVO....

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(unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 4,046
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Too gloomy for f/4, too far for 25.

Had to crop the image made by the 75

40-150PRO could have worked at higher ISO but less subject isolation, sometimes makes ugly backgrounds, almost as sharp but not quite for counting whiskers.

100, or 150 mm f/1.2 would be better but no such lens, and it would be a beast in size and weight.

f/1.8 100 or 150 might work but - no such lens.

Of available choices, 75 was the best in low light where shutter couldn't be too slow and I had to hand hold..

Roderick Balle
Roderick Balle Senior Member • Posts: 1,828
Re: They always say never meet your hero
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Nice images as usual Robert. I also like the 75 as a discreet portrait lens.

Here's a few  -

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Robert Evagelista
OP Robert Evagelista Veteran Member • Posts: 3,448
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fishpix wrote:

Wow -- Have been mulling a next lens acquisition and this thread may have put me over the top for the 75mm... stunning images -- and the dof 'how deep' debate, to me, is a valuable illustration of the precision that's possible with this lens.
As a relative newcomer to MFT (GX85) -- wondering if there's anything comparable in the Panasonic line up which might be comparable or even outperform on a GX85 given potential compatibility advantages?... or is the 75mm simply hands down the best at this rough focal length?

they say the Pana Leica 42.5 1.2  is sharper...

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