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Second camera to GH5 (for video)

Started Apr 23, 2018 | Discussions
J a n New Member • Posts: 5
Second camera to GH5 (for video)

Hello,

I have a dilemma. For over a year I have a Lumix GH5. Now I want to buy one more camera. Also mainly for video. Ideal would be GH5 or GH5s again. But I can only buy GH4 or G80 / G85.

I use this setting:
GH5 - 4K / 8bit / 150M / 50p V-log
GH5 - 4K / 10bit / 150M / 25p V-log

This is the maximum setting for GH4 and G80 / 85:
GH4 - 4K / 8bit / 100M / 25p V-log (8bit only)
G80 - 4K / 8bit / 100M / 25p Cinelike (no V-log)

I do not want 4K HDMI Recording Monitor (price $ 1000).

I have few questions:

1) Which camera is better suited for the GH5? GH4 or G80 / 85? I mean, mainly for video shooting.

2) An even more important question. Can I then link and combine GH5 (V-log) and G80 / 85 videos (for example, Cinelike) in editing software (I use Magix Vegas)? I need to get a video clip from both cameras. Will the difference be seen? For example, 20 seconds of GH5 video and 10 second video from the second camera, etc.

3) Is it possible to combine 8bit GH4 and 10bit GH5 (v-log)?

4) Any other ideas?

Thank you for your help and advice.

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Treeshade
Treeshade Junior Member • Posts: 44
Re: Second camera to GH5 (for video)

I use 2 G85 and a GH5 for video. With Cinelike-D they have very similar color. I can use 4K/25p on all three and I don't think 8-bit/10-bit has any difference (for light editing).

If I mix 4K/50p with 1080/50p the level of detail is perceivable. In practice, with 3 camera shooting in different angle and FL, no one can tell the difference.

If you mix Vlog with Cinelike I think the highlight would look very different. (Never use 2 GH so no experience).

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apekkpul Senior Member • Posts: 1,498
Re: Second camera to GH5 (for video)

You could use Leemig’s LUT to match G80 and GH5 footage.

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JakeJY Veteran Member • Posts: 5,442
Re: Second camera to GH5 (for video)

The other main difference not pointed out is that the GH4 uses a 1.2x (horizontal) crop in UHD 4K and 1.125x in Cinema 4K, while the G85 uses 1.1x in UHD 4K and does not have a Cinema 4K mode. GH5 has no horizontal crop in 4K.

I agree with other comment that if the second camera is shooting a different angle and FOV people are unlikely to notice the difference if the colors/contrast are close enough.

However, given you have GH5 already, some ideas:

1) Try shooting some test footage in GH5 in all three modes (the 10bit v-log, GH4 equivalent 8bit v-og, and G85 equivalent 8bit Cinelike). Then try to match the footage. That will answer a lot of your questions directly without having to guess before buying a camera.

2) If it is critical that the footage much match in color, it is always an option to use the lowest common denominator (meaning shooting 8bit Vlog or 8bit Cinelike on your GH5).

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left eye Veteran Member • Posts: 3,042
Re: Second camera to GH5 (for video)

V-log is for matching to raw V-log footage taken with professional movie cameras such as from ARRI or RED.

The V-log result from the compressed format of the GH range is not great, the profile is too flat, but it does mean it's easier to match to a main pro cameras shooting raw V-log.

If you are not also shooting with a pro cam / raw, you shouldn't use V-log.

Use Cine-D on all your cams, Cine-D is flat enough, with manual WB and they will match well. As the shooting angles between cams will be different that will be what most people will notice - as different. You'll need to adjust some brightness & colour anyway.

You can also use a color-checker card, with each cam. Not all software has the ability to calibrate from a colorchecker, though plugins can. You basically place the plugins calibration over the shot of the colorchecker card and it 'normalises' the colour and tone content of the card. This I don't think is necessary, one for the purists, but thought I'd mention it. I use ColorChecker Passport.

Mainly just use Cine-D.

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