1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!

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Re: Sony Fans Must Shoot w/o Lens
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Ryanide wrote:

Thoughts R Us wrote:

mermaidkiller wrote:

Don't forget that the A7iii is a lightweight and small body, barely larger than a G7X or RX100. That is one of the advantages of mirrorless.

This is one fallacy that has been exposed on this forum and others over and over again by now. One cannot just consider the camera body, but also the size/weight of the lenses.

It is physics that tells us that the size of the lens is dictated by the size of the sensor it has to cover. Thus FF lenses for a Sony mirrorless are really not smaller than FF lenses for a Canon FF dslr, and in some cases may be a bit larger to compensate for the shorter flange distance of the Sony body.

And unless one can violate the laws of physics this is not going to change. Now before anyone cites the small size of Leica lenses for their FF M series, I will point out that the reason they are so small is due to lack of AF. Ironically Leica came out with their FF SL mirrorless with AF, and guess what: the lenses are just as large as the lenses for Canon and other FF dslr's. So don't even go there.

Once one takes into account lens size/weight, then most of any weight advantage disappears. In fact, with longer lenses, I and many others appreciate the better balance that the larger Canon dslr's provide.

So when someone cites how much smaller that Sony mirrorless is, just smile and know it's just one more bogus argument of the Sony trap.

You may say that, but when you handhold a 1DXII with a lens attached for 7+ hours and then feel the size difference of the same lens with a Sony body and slightly less weight, it does make a difference. Yes, that balance is also different, but that can also make holding the weight less strenuous.

To each their own.

Would switching to a lighter Canon FF body help, such as the 6D or 5D Mark IV?  I agree with you about the weight issue.  I would not want to have another 1D body or battery grips for the precise reason.

My reasons for getting a Sony A7III, not upgrading to it, are the IBIS for my non-IS Canon lenses and better DR at low ISO settings but Canon might surprise us with something equally shocking.

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Sony is simply blowing it on the fundamentals. Factors that played into my recent decision to stick with Canon DSLRs (including major lens upgrades which means I'm committing to the system for the long run, not just buying a body):

  • Lens selection and quality.
  • Build quality and weather sealing.
  • Ergonomics.
  • Color science.
  • Sensor artifacts and/or flare. Every generation of Sony FF mirrorless has exhibited some issue. I can't think of a Canon I've owned which had any such issues.
  • Overall reliability of features and performance.

Sure I would like IBIS, extended shadow latitude, and some of the cool new toys on a Sony A7r III. But not at the expense of any of those bullet points.

That is not to say that Sony is bad or that you cannot make stunning images with Sony. Simply that the hype does not match reality. There are still major trade offs with Sony. And my guess at this point is that both Canon and Nikon will introduce their FF mirrorless systems before Sony resolves some of those trade offs.

Thoughts R Us Senior Member • Posts: 2,751
Re: Fundamentals
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Daniel Lee Taylor wrote:

Sony is simply blowing it on the fundamentals. Factors that played into my recent decision to stick with Canon DSLRs (including major lens upgrades which means I'm committing to the system for the long run, not just buying a body):

  • Lens selection and quality.
  • Build quality and weather sealing.
  • Ergonomics.
  • Color science.
  • Sensor artifacts and/or flare. Every generation of Sony FF mirrorless has exhibited some issue. I can't think of a Canon I've owned which had any such issues.
  • Overall reliability of features and performance.

Sure I would like IBIS, extended shadow latitude, and some of the cool new toys on a Sony A7r III. But not at the expense of any of those bullet points.

That is not to say that Sony is bad or that you cannot make stunning images with Sony. Simply that the hype does not match reality. There are still major trade offs with Sony. And my guess at this point is that both Canon and Nikon will introduce their FF mirrorless systems before Sony resolves some of those trade offs.

Excellent point.  But reviewers don't care about the fundamentals since they don't make for exciting reviews and keep them in business.  Reviewers love gadgety type features because they indeed are good for business.  To most reviewers, Sony is like candy to a baby.

Reviewers wouldn't have much to write about if the focused on those points you mentioned, since the rankings in those areas don't change very frequently.

Also reviewers do not use the gear the way that real consumers do.  They use it for a short period of time, and then move on to the next new item.  So it's more difficult for them to do gauge reliability and dependability.   However, they could at least try,  like that one site where they simply used a backyard water hose to judge weather sealing.  Predictably, the only brand that didn't hold up was the Sony.

Bottom line: because of the nature of reviews vs real world usage, the reviews should not be used as the best measure of a camera.

PJC Imagery Regular Member • Posts: 371
Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!
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David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry. Way back when I had my ae-1, Canon was leading, then my T-90 Canon was leading, then eos elan 7, then my 20D, then my 40D, then my 7D & 6D. I always, up until now felt like Canon was the bomb and they always had a camera in my price range that I felt really good about buying. All those Canon cameras I had, were in my humble opinion leading the industry at their price point. It's just not so right now.

Right now, for me, the last 5 years Canon lagging further and further behind both Nikon and Sony. I just don't see Canon in the same light, they used to be the bomb. Now I look at them as the dud.

So now that you perceive Canon as a slacker, your photographic skills are being compromised? That you've suddenly become a less than good photographer? That you can no longer take terrific shots with your 6D? That your priority is to shoot with what you think is the best camera in the field and if you're not, your doing a lousy job? Canon's a dud so you've lost your touch?

Perhaps you need to rethink why your using your camera in the first place.

David

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post.  Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup.  I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have.  It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works.  Peace!

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Re: Sony Fans Must Shoot w/o Lens

Ryanide wrote:

You may say that, but when you handhold a 1DXII with a lens attached for 7+ hours and then feel the size difference of the same lens with a Sony body and slightly less weight, it does make a difference.

Why did you buy the 1DXII in the first place???

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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!
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PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry. Way back when I had my ae-1, Canon was leading, then my T-90 Canon was leading, then eos elan 7, then my 20D, then my 40D, then my 7D & 6D. I always, up until now felt like Canon was the bomb and they always had a camera in my price range that I felt really good about buying. All those Canon cameras I had, were in my humble opinion leading the industry at their price point. It's just not so right now.

Right now, for me, the last 5 years Canon lagging further and further behind both Nikon and Sony. I just don't see Canon in the same light, they used to be the bomb. Now I look at them as the dud.

So now that you perceive Canon as a slacker, your photographic skills are being compromised? That you've suddenly become a less than good photographer? That you can no longer take terrific shots with your 6D? That your priority is to shoot with what you think is the best camera in the field and if you're not, your doing a lousy job? Canon's a dud so you've lost your touch?

Perhaps you need to rethink why your using your camera in the first place.

David

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

When you say, "My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry" you come across as a fanboy that needs the #1 gizmo in order to be the best that you can be.  How many times have I read that it's the photographer, not the camera.  I guess in your case, it's the camera, not the photographer.

Do your skills outstrip the capabilities of the 5DIV?  If so, then maybe you ought to consider medium format so that the camera isn't below your skill level.

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Thoughts R Us Senior Member • Posts: 2,751
Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!
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PJC Imagery wrote:

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

I actually understand where you are coming from...I love technology as well and one of the joys of using a camera is enjoying the technological innovation.

However, I would suggest that you have been given a wrong perspective on the latest Canon gear.  Try out a 6D II; perhaps rent one.  I think you will find it a big upgrade to the 6D in terms of AF, Dual Pixel AF, touchscreen, etc.  Even the much maligned sensor produces great results, from what I have seen.

There's one guy on this forum who used the larger Canon's in the past but with age has switched to the 6D II for size and weight considerations, and he produces great results with it.  It's not chopped liver.

If you want to spend the extra money, definitely consider the 5D IV.  It will be a huge upgrade to your 6D and you will thoroughly enjoy it.

There's this brainwashing that's gone on in these Internet forums and reviews that makes it seem like Canon offers nothing in the way of technology.  Far from it: Canon offers world class products.  There is a reason why most pro's use Canon.

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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!
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David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry. Way back when I had my ae-1, Canon was leading, then my T-90 Canon was leading, then eos elan 7, then my 20D, then my 40D, then my 7D & 6D. I always, up until now felt like Canon was the bomb and they always had a camera in my price range that I felt really good about buying. All those Canon cameras I had, were in my humble opinion leading the industry at their price point. It's just not so right now.

Right now, for me, the last 5 years Canon lagging further and further behind both Nikon and Sony. I just don't see Canon in the same light, they used to be the bomb. Now I look at them as the dud.

So now that you perceive Canon as a slacker, your photographic skills are being compromised? That you've suddenly become a less than good photographer? That you can no longer take terrific shots with your 6D? That your priority is to shoot with what you think is the best camera in the field and if you're not, your doing a lousy job? Canon's a dud so you've lost your touch?

Perhaps you need to rethink why your using your camera in the first place.

David

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

When you say, "My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry" you come across as a fanboy that needs the #1 gizmo in order to be the best that you can be. How many times have I read that it's the photographer, not the camera. I guess in your case, it's the camera, not the photographer.

Do your skills outstrip the capabilities of the 5DIV? If so, then maybe you ought to consider medium format so that the camera isn't below your skill level.

David

It's not about my skill level, it's about getting and shooting with a good FF camera at a good price point.  Canon 5DIV is a great camera I'm sure, I just don't think it's at all worth the price in regards to what the competition is offering.

Not sure what's so hard to understand.  Look at my posted camera history, all them camera's I listed at the time they were selling were industry leading camera's at their respected price point.  Now Canon cameras are all overprice for what they offer.

I'm sure most people will agree that they don't like to feel they've been OVERCHARGED.

Now if you want to talk lenses then Canon is doing better leading the industry at their offering/price point.  Get it or do I need to explain further?  Peace!

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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!

PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry. Way back when I had my ae-1, Canon was leading, then my T-90 Canon was leading, then eos elan 7, then my 20D, then my 40D, then my 7D & 6D. I always, up until now felt like Canon was the bomb and they always had a camera in my price range that I felt really good about buying. All those Canon cameras I had, were in my humble opinion leading the industry at their price point. It's just not so right now.

Right now, for me, the last 5 years Canon lagging further and further behind both Nikon and Sony. I just don't see Canon in the same light, they used to be the bomb. Now I look at them as the dud.

So now that you perceive Canon as a slacker, your photographic skills are being compromised? That you've suddenly become a less than good photographer? That you can no longer take terrific shots with your 6D? That your priority is to shoot with what you think is the best camera in the field and if you're not, your doing a lousy job? Canon's a dud so you've lost your touch?

Perhaps you need to rethink why your using your camera in the first place.

David

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

When you say, "My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry" you come across as a fanboy that needs the #1 gizmo in order to be the best that you can be. How many times have I read that it's the photographer, not the camera. I guess in your case, it's the camera, not the photographer.

Do your skills outstrip the capabilities of the 5DIV? If so, then maybe you ought to consider medium format so that the camera isn't below your skill level.

David

It's not about my skill level, it's about getting and shooting with a good FF camera at a good price point. Canon 5DIV is a great camera I'm sure, I just don't think it's at all worth the price in regards to what the competition is offering.

Not sure what's so hard to understand. Look at my posted camera history, all them camera's I listed at the time they were selling were industry leading camera's at their respected price point. Now Canon cameras are all overprice for what they offer.

I'm sure most people will agree that they don't like to feel they've been OVERCHARGED.

Now if you want to talk lenses then Canon is doing better leading the industry at their offering/price point. Get it or do I need to explain further? Peace!

Your rational can also be applied to Leica vs all others.  Now, they are over priced and make Canon, and the others look very affordable.

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Re: Fundamentals

Daniel Lee Taylor wrote:

Sony is simply blowing it on the fundamentals. Factors that played into my recent decision to stick with Canon DSLRs (including major lens upgrades which means I'm committing to the system for the long run, not just buying a body):

  • Lens selection and quality.
  • Build quality and weather sealing.
  • Ergonomics.
  • Color science.
  • Sensor artifacts and/or flare. Every generation of Sony FF mirrorless has exhibited some issue. I can't think of a Canon I've owned which had any such issues.
  • Overall reliability of features and performance.

Sure I would like IBIS, extended shadow latitude, and some of the cool new toys on a Sony A7r III. But not at the expense of any of those bullet points.

That is not to say that Sony is bad or that you cannot make stunning images with Sony. Simply that the hype does not match reality. There are still major trade offs with Sony. And my guess at this point is that both Canon and Nikon will introduce their FF mirrorless systems before Sony resolves some of those trade offs.

When I read about the issues people are having with thier A7 lll's, I can't help but wonder if the QC issues Have something to do with them being made in China.  Sony wanted to make this an inexpensive body, so this may have been a way to cut corners.

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Re: Fundamentals
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dgumshu wrote:

Daniel Lee Taylor wrote:

Sony is simply blowing it on the fundamentals. Factors that played into my recent decision to stick with Canon DSLRs (including major lens upgrades which means I'm committing to the system for the long run, not just buying a body):

  • Lens selection and quality.
  • Build quality and weather sealing.
  • Ergonomics.
  • Color science.
  • Sensor artifacts and/or flare. Every generation of Sony FF mirrorless has exhibited some issue. I can't think of a Canon I've owned which had any such issues.
  • Overall reliability of features and performance.

Sure I would like IBIS, extended shadow latitude, and some of the cool new toys on a Sony A7r III. But not at the expense of any of those bullet points.

That is not to say that Sony is bad or that you cannot make stunning images with Sony. Simply that the hype does not match reality. There are still major trade offs with Sony. And my guess at this point is that both Canon and Nikon will introduce their FF mirrorless systems before Sony resolves some of those trade offs.

When I read about the issues people are having with thier A7 lll's, I can't help but wonder if the QC issues Have something to do with them being made in China. Sony wanted to make this an inexpensive body, so this may have been a way to cut corners.

Maybe our votes count and maybe they don't.

We vote with our money too and those votes sure do count !

As long as I still can I am voting for cameras made by the craftsmen and women of Japan and the other free countries where they still build cameras.

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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!

dgumshu wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry. Way back when I had my ae-1, Canon was leading, then my T-90 Canon was leading, then eos elan 7, then my 20D, then my 40D, then my 7D & 6D. I always, up until now felt like Canon was the bomb and they always had a camera in my price range that I felt really good about buying. All those Canon cameras I had, were in my humble opinion leading the industry at their price point. It's just not so right now.

Right now, for me, the last 5 years Canon lagging further and further behind both Nikon and Sony. I just don't see Canon in the same light, they used to be the bomb. Now I look at them as the dud.

So now that you perceive Canon as a slacker, your photographic skills are being compromised? That you've suddenly become a less than good photographer? That you can no longer take terrific shots with your 6D? That your priority is to shoot with what you think is the best camera in the field and if you're not, your doing a lousy job? Canon's a dud so you've lost your touch?

Perhaps you need to rethink why your using your camera in the first place.

David

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

When you say, "My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry" you come across as a fanboy that needs the #1 gizmo in order to be the best that you can be. How many times have I read that it's the photographer, not the camera. I guess in your case, it's the camera, not the photographer.

Do your skills outstrip the capabilities of the 5DIV? If so, then maybe you ought to consider medium format so that the camera isn't below your skill level.

David

It's not about my skill level, it's about getting and shooting with a good FF camera at a good price point. Canon 5DIV is a great camera I'm sure, I just don't think it's at all worth the price in regards to what the competition is offering.

Not sure what's so hard to understand. Look at my posted camera history, all them camera's I listed at the time they were selling were industry leading camera's at their respected price point. Now Canon cameras are all overprice for what they offer.

I'm sure most people will agree that they don't like to feel they've been OVERCHARGED.

Now if you want to talk lenses then Canon is doing better leading the industry at their offering/price point. Get it or do I need to explain further? Peace!

Your rational can also be applied to Leica vs all others. Now, they are over priced and make Canon, and the others look very affordable.

Yes, I agree 100% that's why I wouldn't buy their gear and I'm sure there are others who feel the same.  Peace!

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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!

Thoughts R Us wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

I actually understand where you are coming from...I love technology as well and one of the joys of using a camera is enjoying the technological innovation.

However, I would suggest that you have been given a wrong perspective on the latest Canon gear. Try out a 6D II; perhaps rent one. I think you will find it a big upgrade to the 6D in terms of AF, Dual Pixel AF, touchscreen, etc. Even the much maligned sensor produces great results, from what I have seen.

There's one guy on this forum who used the larger Canon's in the past but with age has switched to the 6D II for size and weight considerations, and he produces great results with it. It's not chopped liver.

If you want to spend the extra money, definitely consider the 5D IV. It will be a huge upgrade to your 6D and you will thoroughly enjoy it.

There's this brainwashing that's gone on in these Internet forums and reviews that makes it seem like Canon offers nothing in the way of technology. Far from it: Canon offers world class products. There is a reason why most pro's use Canon.

I'm sure the 6D2 is a good camera but it does nothing that my 6D doesn't do accept offer a touch flip screen, a couple more mega pixels, and a couple more auto focus points.  I had a chance to handle and take a couple of pics with a 6D2, all I could say is I like the flip screen.

All the reviews and all the sensor and focus testing indicate as much.  1 card slot; same iso ratings, same dynamic range ratings, same sync speed, same 4000/1 sec shutter, same weather sealing, same old camera after 5 years.

Now I don't buy into all the hype of reviews but I do use them as a starting point whenever I'm buying a new product over $500.  After I read the standard camera reviews like dpreview, I read the readers reviews and the discussions forums and watch videos of the product in use.

I've done all that with the 6D2 just as I've done with most of my other cameras.

My conclusion is why I'm on this forum.  The 6D2 should have been called the 6D1.3 not an upgrade and Canon should have released it as such.  Just my opinion, but I'm entitled to it.  Peace!

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Thoughts R Us wrote:

Excellent point. But reviewers don't care about the fundamentals since they don't make for exciting reviews and keep them in business. Reviewers love gadgety type features because they indeed are good for business. To most reviewers, Sony is like candy to a baby.

Reviewers wouldn't have much to write about if the focused on those points you mentioned, since the rankings in those areas don't change very frequently.

Also reviewers do not use the gear the way that real consumers do. They use it for a short period of time, and then move on to the next new item. So it's more difficult for them to do gauge reliability and dependability. However, they could at least try, like that one site where they simply used a backyard water hose to judge weather sealing. Predictably, the only brand that didn't hold up was the Sony.

Bottom line: because of the nature of reviews vs real world usage, the reviews should not be used as the best measure of a camera.

Well, I don't know about you, but after shooting a portrait session with the A7III I know that I will never ever buy a camera that doesn't have an articulating screen, functional eye AF and full AF coverage again.

Snapped this quick shot while the model was relaxing, wouldn't have been possible without eye AF and full AF coverage, on other DSLR I would have had to move my focus point there and the moment would have been missed

Having to focus and recompose feels so.....backward now

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Don Lacy
Don Lacy Senior Member • Posts: 1,853
Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!
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PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

David Pavlich wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry. Way back when I had my ae-1, Canon was leading, then my T-90 Canon was leading, then eos elan 7, then my 20D, then my 40D, then my 7D & 6D. I always, up until now felt like Canon was the bomb and they always had a camera in my price range that I felt really good about buying. All those Canon cameras I had, were in my humble opinion leading the industry at their price point. It's just not so right now.

Right now, for me, the last 5 years Canon lagging further and further behind both Nikon and Sony. I just don't see Canon in the same light, they used to be the bomb. Now I look at them as the dud.

So now that you perceive Canon as a slacker, your photographic skills are being compromised? That you've suddenly become a less than good photographer? That you can no longer take terrific shots with your 6D? That your priority is to shoot with what you think is the best camera in the field and if you're not, your doing a lousy job? Canon's a dud so you've lost your touch?

Perhaps you need to rethink why your using your camera in the first place.

David

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

When you say, "My issue is I'm accustom to Canon being the front runner in the industry" you come across as a fanboy that needs the #1 gizmo in order to be the best that you can be. How many times have I read that it's the photographer, not the camera. I guess in your case, it's the camera, not the photographer.

Do your skills outstrip the capabilities of the 5DIV? If so, then maybe you ought to consider medium format so that the camera isn't below your skill level.

David

It's not about my skill level, it's about getting and shooting with a good FF camera at a good price point. Canon 5DIV is a great camera I'm sure, I just don't think it's at all worth the price in regards to what the competition is offering.

Not sure what's so hard to understand. Look at my posted camera history, all them camera's I listed at the time they were selling were industry leading camera's at their respected price point. Now Canon cameras are all overprice for what they offer.

I'm sure most people will agree that they don't like to feel they've been OVERCHARGED.

I just bought a 5DMKIV and I in no way feel like In was overcharged having held and shot a AR7III before buying a 5DMKIV to replace my 6D it really was the best choice for me. You still seem caught up in the spec sheet or having a class leading camera all I wanted was a tool that allowed me to get the images i wanted that i could depend on and use for years,

Now if you want to talk lenses then Canon is doing better leading the industry at their offering/price point. Get it or do I need to explain further? Peace!

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Don Lacy
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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!

PJC Imagery wrote:

Thoughts R Us wrote:

PJC Imagery wrote:

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

According to your rational I should still be shooting with my ae-1 since it still works. Peace!

I actually understand where you are coming from...I love technology as well and one of the joys of using a camera is enjoying the technological innovation.

However, I would suggest that you have been given a wrong perspective on the latest Canon gear. Try out a 6D II; perhaps rent one. I think you will find it a big upgrade to the 6D in terms of AF, Dual Pixel AF, touchscreen, etc. Even the much maligned sensor produces great results, from what I have seen.

There's one guy on this forum who used the larger Canon's in the past but with age has switched to the 6D II for size and weight considerations, and he produces great results with it. It's not chopped liver.

If you want to spend the extra money, definitely consider the 5D IV. It will be a huge upgrade to your 6D and you will thoroughly enjoy it.

There's this brainwashing that's gone on in these Internet forums and reviews that makes it seem like Canon offers nothing in the way of technology. Far from it: Canon offers world class products. There is a reason why most pro's use Canon.

I'm sure the 6D2 is a good camera but it does nothing that my 6D doesn't do accept offer a touch flip screen, a couple more mega pixels, and a couple more auto focus points. I had a chance to handle and take a couple of pics with a 6D2, all I could say is I like the flip screen.

All the reviews and all the sensor and focus testing indicate as much. 1 card slot; same iso ratings, same dynamic range ratings, same sync speed, same 4000/1 sec shutter, same weather sealing, same old camera after 5 years.

Now I don't buy into all the hype of reviews but I do use them as a starting point whenever I'm buying a new product over $500. After I read the standard camera reviews like dpreview, I read the readers reviews and the discussions forums and watch videos of the product in use.

I've done all that with the 6D2 just as I've done with most of my other cameras.

My conclusion is why I'm on this forum. The 6D2 should have been called the 6D1.3 not an upgrade and Canon should have released it as such. Just my opinion, but I'm entitled to it. Peace!

Well they did it was released at the same price point as the 6D and is often sold below that price point what you wanted was a 5DMKIV at a 6D price point if that is what you want then you really need to buy a A7III and just be done with it.

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BlueCosmo5050
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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!

XeroJay wrote:

Ryanide wrote:

That's it! I'm done waiting on Canon to come out with a Mirrorless FF replacement for my 1DXII so I'm making to move to SONY.

I'm tired of traveling with all the weight of the 1DXII and the idea of buying a 2 year old 5DIV, that is not really much smaller, just doesn't sit well with me.

I'm going to try the Metabones adapter with my Canon Lenses and see how that works out. Maybe in a few years Canon will catch up to Sony, but I just can't wait any longer. : (

I just added an A7III to my Canon kit as a backup/second body... It quickly became my main body, pushing the 5DIV to the bench as the designated backup. The A7III works incredibly well with my Canon lenses using the MC-11 adapter.

I think you'll be very happy with the Sony.

I have a question; I haven't went through the entire thread so maybe you answered it. With no bias what so ever, how well does your Canon glass work? In low light especially? How close is the video auto focus to dual pixel AF?

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and probably won't be posting any photos with his new one. For some, its about the equipment and joining the in-crowd.

hmm...and then the clouds will clear, birds will be chirping, and your world will become perfect hope you post some photos made with your new shining armored hero (A7RIII)! good luck and have fun with your new shiny toy!!!

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tvstaff
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Ryanide wrote:

That's it! I'm done waiting on Canon to come out with a Mirrorless FF replacement for my 1DXII so I'm making to move to SONY.

I'm tired of traveling with all the weight of the 1DXII and the idea of buying a 2 year old 5DIV, that is not really much smaller, just doesn't sit well with me.

I'm going to try the Metabones adapter with my Canon Lenses and see how that works out. Maybe in a few years Canon will catch up to Sony, but I just can't wait any longer. : (

This entire Canon Forum thread and others are SONY fanboy platforms for SONY trolls.

This benefits no one.

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JackM
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Re: 1DXII Out~!! A7RIII is IN!
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PJC Imagery wrote:

Wow, you need to rethink or at least think before you speak/post. Let me explain myself in real simple terms.

It's very simple, I want another FF camera and I want to use my 6D as a backup. I need a FF BACKUP.

You have the backup (your 6D), you need a FF workhorse.

My 6D works fine, heck my ae-1 still works fine but I don't want to go out and shoot weddings with it, at this time.

I'd like to get something BETTER than I currently have. It's called progress, I guess it's a term Canon and you just don't understand.

It's called the 5D Mark IV. Phenomenal camera. I have one. Cannot imagine getting rid of it until it dies. Major improvement over the Mark III, which I also had. Does not make me wish for a Nikon D750 or Sony a9. For any actual photographic/artistic application, which doesn't require blazing FPS, it is nothing short of excellent.  If you as a wedding photographer cannot afford a 5D4, either you aren't charging enough or... nevermind.

Canon at this time isn't offering anything I'd feel good about buying, so I may have to look elsewhere.

"Every famous photograph was made with a camera less advanced than the one you are using now."

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