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Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

Started Apr 19, 2018 | Discussions
deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 13,887
Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2
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Last night I read a blog/article about the rendering of a variety of lenses, comparing a few Zeiss, Voigtländer, Leica lenses. There was also an emphasis on bokeh rendering. Aperture blades were mentioned and how those were positioned and shaped e.g. rounded, but inward pointing, straight etc. Also the fact that sunstars work in a peculiar way, creating even numbers on lenses with an even count of aperture blades, but doubling the sunstars when an uneven number is picked.

The review(s) is/are of little importance to Fuji lens owners, but the blog made me re-visit some photos that I had taken lately with the 50/2. Hardly a contender for the royalties that were reviewed in that blog.

But then I thought: hang on, the 50/2 is a remarkable lens, incredible value with excellent bokeh even in scenarios where the background, straight lines etc can look a tad nervous on occasion, but the 50/2 I think gets away with a lot.

What's your take on this lens compared to the usual suspects?

Not a lot of distance between the bells and the wall

Again not a lot of space behind the Buddha

Not a flat surface behind the focal plane this time

Some transition and some flatness in the background

Another transition with more space between objects

Some straight lines typically hot contenders for a nervous bokeh

And the lot: foreground and background blur plus some straight lines

The last one is possibly the most challenging as it has strong foreground blur plus background blur and straight lines. But I think that the lens is doing remarkably well here.

And here is one as a little teaser, taken with the 75/1.8 Olympus. I found that I started looking at the nervous bokeh almost straight away, have plenty of examples but this one example will do. I found that when I had the 75/1.8 - a MUCH longer focal length compared with the 50/2 - I had to be far more careful when I chose the background.

The 50/2 is far more forgiving and possibly a true steal for the price!

Deed

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Rob-in-Alberta Contributing Member • Posts: 521
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

50 F2 looks good to me.

ouch on the Oly 75mm.

Just Shoot Me Veteran Member • Posts: 4,110
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

I said and think the 50 f/2 Fuji lens reminds me of a Leica 50mm Summicron M.

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OP deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 13,887
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

Just Shoot Me wrote:

I said and think the 50 f/2 Fuji lens reminds me of a Leica 50mm Summicron M.

Would need to check some samples and also technology

Dunno

Deed

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Polybazze
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Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

The blur generated by the 50/2 looks good for me. A nice balanced level of subject isolation vs blurred background/foreground.

Lately I'm seeing to much blur as a cheesy effect to pump otherwise boring images/subjects (google for "russian mother photographer" and you'll see what I mean).

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OP deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 13,887
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

Polybazze wrote:

The blur generated by the 50/2 looks good for me. A nice balanced level of subject isolation vs blurred background/foreground.

Lately I'm seeing to much blur as a cheesy effect to pump otherwise boring images/subjects (google for "russian mother photographer" and you'll see what I mean).

Elena Shumilova????

She is an architect by trade and uses a 135/2 on a Canon 5DII plus the occasional 50/1.4.

I have a lot of time for her as she just followed her children growing up in rural Russia. Frosty windows in a country barn might be cliché as, but hardly ever as elegantly executed

http://heartscribes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Meeting-sunrise-by-Elena-Shumilova.jpg

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RobertMachin Contributing Member • Posts: 531
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

Can you share the original article? seems interesting

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Just Shoot Me Veteran Member • Posts: 4,110
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

deednets wrote:

Just Shoot Me wrote:

I said and think the 50 f/2 Fuji lens reminds me of a Leica 50mm Summicron M.

Would need to check some samples and also technology

Dunno

Deed

I've had a few of the Leica 50 Cron lenses and that is what "I Think".

I have images from both and I have a good memory.

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OP deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 13,887
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

RobertMachin wrote:

Can you share the original article? seems interesting

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/35mm-comparison-voigtlander-zeiss-leica/

Here it is

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rsn48 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,755
Not cheesy

The pic of the young boy at window isn't cheesy but well executed, definitely posed but so what, and has a "Wow" factor especially with the lighting.

The ZEISS LOXIA 2.0 lens would be the one to compare against the Fujinon 50mm f2 as the aperture factors are identical. Here is a video comparing the 50mm f2 versus 56mm f1.4. So the f1.4 should blow the f2 out of the water - right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn1VLCDq2w0

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OP deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 13,887
Re: Not cheesy

rsn48 wrote:

The pic of the young boy at window isn't cheesy but well executed, definitely posed but so what, and has a "Wow" factor especially with the lighting.

The ZEISS LOXIA 2.0 lens would be the one to compare against the Fujinon 50mm f2 as the aperture factors are identical. Here is a video comparing the 50mm f2 versus 56mm f1.4. So the f1.4 should blow the f2 out of the water - right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn1VLCDq2w0

Interesting video thanks!!

Deed

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esmufotografija
esmufotografija Regular Member • Posts: 159
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

Just misses the sweet spot

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Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

esmufotografija wrote:

Just misses the sweet spot

... and that is??

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Just Shoot Me Veteran Member • Posts: 4,110
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

esmufotografija wrote:

Just misses the sweet spot

Yeah What Sweet Spot are you talking about?

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esmufotografija Regular Member • Posts: 159
Re: Chasing bokeh: Fuji 50/2

Just Shoot Me wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just misses the sweet spot

Yeah What Sweet Spot are you talking about?

The one that the  lovers of this lens create  with their  rose coloured glasses

OP deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 13,887
Clumsy humour attempt hitting the sweet spot, maybe 😎
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esmufotografija wrote:

Just Shoot Me wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just misses the sweet spot

Yeah What Sweet Spot are you talking about?

The one that the lovers of this lens create with their rose coloured glasses

And that was missed?

How?

Or are you just a bit bored and thought you would just write something? Anything really, where the main purpose is to put a random array of letters on an otherwise blank page.

And then click: post.

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esmufotografija Regular Member • Posts: 159
Re: Clumsy humour attempt hitting the sweet spot, maybe 😎

deednets wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just Shoot Me wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just misses the sweet spot

Yeah What Sweet Spot are you talking about?

The one that the lovers of this lens create with their rose coloured glasses

And that was missed?

How?

Or are you just a bit bored and thought you would just write something? Anything really, where the main purpose is to put a random array of letters on an otherwise blank page.

And then click: post.

Deed

Well maybe so but not unlike your text which is just a cover to post more images, you seem to have a history of that.  Yes the bokeh quality of your images just miss the mark of interesting.

OP deednets Forum Pro • Posts: 13,887
Here we go again ...
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esmufotografija wrote:

deednets wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just Shoot Me wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just misses the sweet spot

Yeah What Sweet Spot are you talking about?

The one that the lovers of this lens create with their rose coloured glasses

And that was missed?

How?

Or are you just a bit bored and thought you would just write something? Anything really, where the main purpose is to put a random array of letters on an otherwise blank page.

And then click: post.

Deed

Well maybe so but not unlike your text which is just a cover to post more images, you seem to have a history of that. Yes the bokeh quality of your images just miss the mark of interesting.

A rather cynical thinly veiled attack.

How would somebody with what, 70 posts know that I have a history of posting images and need an excuse? You didn’t by any chance have a different screen name before, but have “used it up” ?

Look, I don’t know who you are and why you felt the need to respond at all, but if you do respond again, maybe a little bit more constructive criticism would be better rather than some flippant remarks.

Deed

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rsn48 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,755
My bad
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I own a full frame 50mm 1.4 lens so when listing the 56mm at f1.4 I was asleep at the switch; its a f1.2 lens.

I prefer the f2 lens as it is lighter and this is important for me, possibly not you, especially if you are younger and still think photography is about being part Sherpa. So I thought I would throw a few Herb Keppler quotes at you, you can see his view of heavy bags and heavy lenses progress over the years, with him at the now defunct Popular Photography magazine. Sadly, he is now defunct as well:

On lugging gear:

"The older I get, the less inclined I am to overload by camera bag and then stagger out to take pictures. I try to pick and choose equipment thoughtfully, with a view to low bulkiness and light weight. The last type of case I think of using is a giant hold-everything bag."
(Popular Photography, May 1988)

On flimsy tripods:

The "flimsy" tripod you take with you is better than the one you left at home:
"The truth is that I probably have collected more sturdy tripods than anyone else within a hundred-mile radius. But unless I'm within easy walking distance of home or can stash the tripod in the car for convenient transportation, you will find me happily taking pictures with a flimsy tripod at hand."
(Popular Photography, February 1993)

On digital software:

On going digital:
"Sitting over a hot computer ain't my idea of fun. My creativity goes almost completely into picture taking. (But) I suppose if I ever retired, I would enjoy learning the Photoshop craft far more than playing golf."
(Popular Photography & Imaging, January 2005)

So you are a street photographer with the X100 series and want a tilt screen to shoot from belt level:

A case for eye-level viewfinders:
"When photographing people from mid or close distance, waist-level SLRs and TLRs tended to be angled upward, often capturing everything below the jawline-and the subject's nostrils-in great detail. Not a pretty picture."
(Popular Photography & Imaging, March 2005)

The desert Island conundrum:

If you were alone on a deserted island and could only have one camera and lens, what would it be?
"An all-mechanical Nikon F with a coupled selenium meter (no battery) and a 105mm macro lens to photograph flora and fauna, big and small, and to take a fine portrait of the person who rescues me!"
(Popular Photography & Imaging, August 2006)

And finally linking the 50mm f2 lens to Herb's humourous sayings and wisdom:

On choosing a lens for an SLR:

"If you don't need a superfast lens (f/1.4, f/1.2) buy the slower (f/1.7, /1.8, 2), which will probably be cheaper, of as good or better quality, and far superior for getting good sharp close-ups."
(Modern Photography, January 1980)

MISS YOU HERB, the man who brought approachable photography to me.

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esmufotografija
esmufotografija Regular Member • Posts: 159
Re: Here we go again ...

deednets wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

deednets wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just Shoot Me wrote:

esmufotografija wrote:

Just misses the sweet spot

Yeah What Sweet Spot are you talking about?

The one that the lovers of this lens create with their rose coloured glasses

And that was missed?

How?

Or are you just a bit bored and thought you would just write something? Anything really, where the main purpose is to put a random array of letters on an otherwise blank page.

And then click: post.

Deed

Well maybe so but not unlike your text which is just a cover to post more images, you seem to have a history of that. Yes the bokeh quality of your images just miss the mark of interesting.

A rather cynical thinly veiled attack.

How would somebody with what, 70 posts know that I have a history of posting images and need an excuse? You didn’t by any chance have a different screen name before, but have “used it up” ?

Look, I don’t know who you are and why you felt the need to respond at all, but if you do respond again, maybe a little bit more constructive criticism would be better rather than some flippant remarks.

Deed

To me the lens bokeh and  focal length are in no mans land and the images look off . If it’s not the lens then it’s the photographer that fails to hit the mark. That is my take on it you don’t need to respond just ignore me.

The xe3 is my first fuji camera so I am new to fuji. I bought and  sold the 50mm f2 and 35mm f2 , found them very ordinary. Bought the 23 f1.4 a bit big and unwieldy for the xe3 but I can cope with that as I like the results.

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