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Panasonic G7 Video Noise

Started Apr 7, 2018 | Discussions
MandicReally New Member • Posts: 5
Panasonic G7 Video Noise

Hi, I'm new here and I'm looking for input on my Panasonic Lumix G7 camera. I've noted I get a fair amount of image noise, basically no matter what ISO setting I'm running.

I've seen quality video produced from these cameras, and overall I like a lot of what the camera has going, but this noise is really bothering me.

Here is a video sample of the noise in question:

This video was shot at 4k, 30 FPS.  Settings are listed in the video.  Clearly I was barely off native ISO.  Even at 400 ISO I see this kind of noise.  Is this just a factor of the M4/3 sensor size or am I missing something?  
This video clip was exported from Adobe Premiere Pro at 1080P 30 FPS with a 20mbps VBR, but it is clearly in the original footage. 
As soon as I start color correcting my footage things just get so much more noticeable.  I know I'm being critical but it really degrades the quality of my finished product I feel.

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John Koch Senior Member • Posts: 1,602
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To me, the "noise" on the subject's pant leg looks more like moiré.  Did the pant fabric have thin bands or closely placed pin stripes?

I don't know if there is something peculiar to Adobe Premier, or a particular export setting thereof, that might "bin" rows of pixels and thereby aggravate moiré.   Was the issue less noticeable in the original 4k footage?  Ordinarily, moiré is limited if the sensor pixel count more or less matches the video resolution.

As an experiment, you might try uploading a 4k version (at 100mbps) to YT, then view the footage at a 1080p resolution setting, to see if the results appear any different.

I don't notice any noise in the stationary black spaces.  Maybe that's my own lack of optical acuity, but perhaps many or most viewers won't notice anything either.

Another test would be to shoot some video at assorted ISO levels with the lens cover on.  Then you'd confirm the actual amounts of noise likely to appear in black portions of your frame.

You could reduce the distraction caused by pixel noise or moiré by using a radial blur filter to soften peripheral areas of the frame.

All I know about the G7 is that is it supposedly performs slightly better than the GH4 in low light.  Most reviews report noise problems only at ISO over 800 or 1,200.

OP MandicReally New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Panasonic G7 Video Noise

Ok here is a 4k, 100MBps export of the footage. The footage looks as noisy on camera as it does out of Adobe Export.

YouTube DOES process and compress footage to about 45MBps bit rate for 4k. However it is only making the artifacts larger and blockier than normal. On the non-processed footage they appear much grainier.

The clothing is straight, plain black dickies pants, and the side of the truck bed is plain black. You can see the noise in other areas of the image as well, not just the blacks. Black is just easiest to spot it.

Maybe I'm being overly critical since I stare at my own footage ALL the time. However I haven't noticed this in other people's G7 footage.

tpani
tpani Regular Member • Posts: 332
Re: Panasonic G7 Video Noise

What is most clearly visible in your video is Youtube's compression artifacts. Any small noise will be magnified by rough compression, and this is most clearly visible in the black clothing the guy is wearing: large area with only small variation in color and brightness. I am sure the original video does not look at all like that.

In my own G7 4k video, I had earlier noticed only the noise in some ISO 800 footage of deers in fog right after sunrise. The lack of contrast (everything is milky grey) in that video made the noise visible, but not in a particularly disturbing way. It is just small grain-like noise, nothing comparable to what is visible in your Youtube video.

Now I had a new look at my other 4k video. Yes, there is some very minor noise even at ISO 200, but it is so minimal that I had never really thought about it. Much more disturbing than that noise is aliasing artifacts in some 4k footage when viewing on a 1920x1200 monitor (bypassing high-quality scaling from 4k to 1080p.)

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mentos77 Contributing Member • Posts: 988
Re: Panasonic G7 Video Noise

Try ignoring the exposure meter and over exposing it just before you blow out whites. That way  it will capture more shadow information and I think it will solve your problem. Its easier to bring highlights down in post than to boost shadows with our sensor.

OP MandicReally New Member • Posts: 5
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The problem there is I have to dial up ISO to achieve that and once I hit 800, noise is absolutely an issue.  So you are back to the same problem.  I get what you are saying and I will practice different exposure goals and see how it goes.  
I need a quicker lens I think, so I can open up a bit more and keep my ISOs down.

OP MandicReally New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Panasonic G7 Video Noise

Alright thank you for the input.  I'm probably being overly critical of my own stuff.  Like I noted before YouTube compression it is more grainy noise than artifacts.  But to most folks the artifacts are absolutely more noticeable.

JakeJY Veteran Member • Posts: 5,442
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I think this is a good time to remind that the largest component of noise tends to come from shot noise, not the ISO. The ISO indirectly plays a role in that when you set a higher value, other settings change (shutter speed or aperture) to let in less light for the same exposure, which makes things noisier. While current sensors perhaps are not truly ISO-invariant, they are getting close.

I say ditto to the suggestion to overexpose, especially if you are doing post anyways. You can shoot at 1/30 shutter speed to maximize the light further, but it seems you have reached the limits of your lens (would be helpful if you had a brighter lens).

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OP MandicReally New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Panasonic G7 Video Noise

Yea, my next purchase is the 12-35 2.8f lens.  I almost bought it this weekend, should have when I saw a deal.  Thanks.

Jody Bruchon
Jody Bruchon New Member • Posts: 3
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I shoot 4K with my G7 all the time and I have some advice that may seem contrary to you, but give it a try: in your picture profile (hopefully Standard with everything currently set to 0) turn the noise reduction all the way down to -5. Noise reduction works by smoothing out noise and that also means smoothing out detail. You'll actually get better quality video with NR all the way down. I did some A/B testing and the NR increased the visibility and size of macroblock compression artifacts, particularly if the footage was pushed in any way. I've achieved great results even at ISO 800 by doing this.

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mentos77 Contributing Member • Posts: 988
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Thanks Jody, that is good info.

Marinolix New Member • Posts: 1
Re: Panasonic G7 Video Noise

Hi man ! I have the same issue but right now, not even minute ago i thik i solved this issue. So i just turned on camera without removing cap on lens, because i just wanted to check something, i looked through viewfinder and i just saw a black picture because i didnt remove lens cap and i saw a lot of noise on that black picture, then i went ti change "photo mode" and at that moment i used cinema mode with custom settings and when i started changing modes noise was changing so much, even on standard you have a lot of noise, for me best photo mode is vivd, you cant even see noise... Just try it, turn on camera without removing lens cap and then by looking through viewfinder try to change photo modes, i hope it works Good luck !

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