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Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

Started Apr 2, 2018 | Questions

Yeant • New Member • Posts: 4

Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

Apr 2, 2018

Hello, I found a huge promotion on a Tamron 150-600 G2, and I wonder if it would be wise to change my Canon 100-400 v1?
Besides the 200mm, what about the image quality between the 2?

Thank you

I have a Canon 6D.

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Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM Canon EOS 6D Tamron SP 150-600mm F5-6.3 Di VC USD G2

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justlikeit • Regular Member • Posts: 126

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Apr 2, 2018

No. Canon 100-400 v1 is a better glass. If you need more rich, you may try a 1.4X extender.

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rsn48 • Veteran Member • Posts: 7,755

tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to justlikeit • Apr 2, 2018

The Tamron is a good choice, is the Canon better - yes, but! The Tamron is capable of excellent IQ, go to the Flickr group area I've linked below and ask yourself, could I be happy achieving this level of quality shots? I don't have the Tamron but the Sigma Sport of the same zoom length.

If the Tamron price point gets you "into the game" so to speak, its worth buying - particularly if you can't afford the Canon offering. Better to have shot and lost, than to never have shot at all.

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(unknown member) • Regular Member • Posts: 363

Too Wide Focal Range...

In reply to Yeant • Apr 2, 2018

Zoom lenses that have such wide focal ranges are nearly always optically compromised. I would just use a 100-400L + 1.4x.

A deal is only a great deal if the product is worth it...I doubt that Tamron is worth it.

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stevejenn • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,336

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Apr 2, 2018

Yeant wrote:

Hello, I found a huge promotion on a Tamron 150-600 G2, and I wonder if it would be wise to change my Canon 100-400 v1?
Besides the 200mm, what about the image quality between the 2?

Thank you

I have a Canon 6D.

I have the Canon 100-400 V1 and the V2 and also the Tamron 150-600 G1. I keep the Tamron on one cam body and the Canon on another body (I hate swapping lens).

If I had to give up one or the other, I would get rid of the Tamron. The Tamron is a nice lens and a joy to use for birding and wildlife. My most used combo is the 100-400 V2 with the 1.4TC. on my 7D MK2.

I am not a pixel peeper. Printing out at 11" x 14", they all look the same.

Steve J

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gmcooper • Regular Member • Posts: 471

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to stevejenn • Apr 2, 2018

Thank you, sj. That was very informative.

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OP Yeant • New Member • Posts: 4

Re: Too Wide Focal Range...

In reply to (unknown member) • Apr 3, 2018

Ok thank you, it seemed to me that the tc was losing the af and a lot of IQ

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OP Yeant • New Member • Posts: 4

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to stevejenn • Apr 3, 2018

Thank you for the answers,

I may try to improve the MA at first.
with the tc1.4 do we keep the AF on the 6D?

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Check This Out

In reply to Yeant • Apr 3, 2018

http://johncrabbwildlifeimages.blogspot.com/2015/07/do-lens-extenders-ruin-image-quality.html

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stevejenn • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,336

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Apr 3, 2018

Yeant wrote:

Thank you for the answers,

I may try to improve the MA at first.
with the tc1.4 do we keep the AF on the 6D?

On the 6D you will lose AF with the tc attached, (f/8 reported), on either the 100-400 or the 150-600.

On the 6D I have also put on a Non-Reporting Tamron 1.4 tc. It still does not AF. But then, my purpose for buying the 6D was landscape/macro.

The Tamron is a very capable lens. A cheaper alternative to the 100-400. It is the only non-canon lens I own.

Steve J

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Mark B. • Forum Pro • Posts: 29,756

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to justlikeit • Apr 4, 2018

justlikeit wrote:

No. Canon 100-400 v1 is a better glass. If you need more rich, you may try a 1.4X extender.

Not sure I'd recommend a 1.4x on v1 of the 100-400. I've tried the 1.4x II and wasn't really that impressed. Maybe the 1.4x III might be better, but I've not really read great reviews of the 100-400 v1 with any 1.4x.

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beagle1 • Forum Pro • Posts: 11,742

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Apr 4, 2018

Yeant wrote:

Thank you for the answers,

I may try to improve the MA at first.
with the tc1.4 do we keep the AF on the 6D?

probably not - I have the original Canon 100-400 and Sigma 150-600 (on a Canon mirrorless)

www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless

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canuck dave • Veteran Member • Posts: 3,202

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Apr 4, 2018

Yeant wrote:

Hello, I found a huge promotion on a Tamron 150-600 G2, and I wonder if it would be wise to change my Canon 100-400 v1?
Besides the 200mm, what about the image quality between the 2?

Thank you

I have a Canon 6D.

I use a Tamron 150-600 G1 on my Canon 6D and am very pleased with the results, mostly for demanding bird photography. I had previously used the Canon 400L and there is negligible difference (if any) between those two lenses. The G2 should be just as good.

I have a Kenko 1.4TC which worked fine in AF on the 400L, and works fine (in AF) on my Tamron 150-600. That said, I find that enlarging/cropping with the 6D is more effective than using a TC (and I've used a Canon 1.4TC as well).

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OP Yeant • New Member • Posts: 4

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to canuck dave • Apr 4, 2018

I cracked, I ordered it, I could do a comparison lol

Thank you for helped me

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John Sheehy • Forum Pro • Posts: 26,698

Re: Too Wide Focal Range...

In reply to Yeant • Apr 5, 2018

Yeant wrote:
Ok thank you, it seemed to me that the tc was losing the af and a lot of IQ

TCs generally lower the "IQ" of the whole frame, or the pixel-level look, at least a hair (except that they may improve sampling by reducing aliasing), but that is not necessarily a subject-quality, or "final IQ" loss, and often a gain in multiple ways.

This may surprise some people, but a TC can actually decrease subject-level noise, especially in cameras with blotchy or banded noise. This is even more true now that there are cameras where at some point going from one ISO to the next one 1/3 stop higher actually reduces pre-gain (high ISO) read noise by about 50%, which the TC may actually force, indirectly, with the same shutter speed, but a higher f-number. On cameras with AA filters, the TC forces more of the lens' analog resolution to get through, meaning you can sharpen less, resulting in less added noise from sharpening.

Cropping instead of using a TC is usually only beneficial when the TC would make the FOV too narrow to be useful, or the TC would have caused focus to be missed.

Higher ISOs with higher pixel noise and softer pixels from a TC are not real problems; they are imaginary problems, unless that pixel softness is coming mostly from the TC, rather than from the lens, but magnified.

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DanInSoCal • Senior Member • Posts: 1,158

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Apr 6, 2018

As with many things, the answer is likely "it depends". I own the 150-600G2, and I use it on an older body (50D). I have never used the 100-400 I or II, but I was considering the 100-400II and chose the Tamron.

The weaknesses of this lens are size/weight (especially with the hood), aperture, and the autofocus. The autofocus is, well, I can't help it, slow AF. No way it will do birds in flight, for example. The autofocus is very accurate, though, if you take the time to get the USB tuning puck and carefully adjust the focus over the recommended distance ranges. Sharpness is excellent, even at 600mm. You get to a max aperture of f/5.6-f/6.3 quite fast, so not good for low light. Be ready to jack up ISO when in shade.

So if you take this for what it is -- a relatively inexpensive way to get quite good sharpness, excellent image stabilization, and reach, at a sacrifice of autofocus speed and number of photons, this is an EXCELLENT lens. It is no match for a big white prime, and will almost certainly be outperformed optically by the 100-400L II in that range (personally, I would not consider the original 100-400, it's too old, and only 2 stop stabilization, push-pull design, etc etc).

Happy shooting,
Dan

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bowserb • Forum Member • Posts: 94

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Apr 13, 2018

If there is ever a chance that you might go to Canon mirrorless, and you might since even Canon is now admitting that mirrorless is their future, you might stick with your Canon 100-400 v1. Tamron is notorious for fast backward engineering and then needing firmware updates. Examples.

I just bought an M50, while my wife sticks with her 5DSR, 5D2, and 7D. I've gone through all our lenses and found every single Canon EF lens works with the M50 and Canon EF-M adapter. My Tamron 150-600 sort of works, but its slow AF got even slower. My Tamron 16-300 (a crop lens) does not work--AND Tamron has no firmware update. Customer service says, "It will not work on a mirrorless." Period. End of story. No firmware update for this.

We also have the 100-400 v1, and it has worked since 2004 on everything. On the 5DSR the AF even works with the 1.4 extender. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the 150-600, even with a Canon DSLR. Like someone else mentioned, that sucker is heavy. OTOH, I never cease to be amazed at the quality of pictures from the 100-400. It's heavy too, but lighter than the Tamron. The push pull zoom is actually handy in many instances where you can keep the zoom lock loose and zoom quickly wihtout twisting your hand (soccer games, etc.) It truly is a lens we won't leave home without.

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Summit • Regular Member • Posts: 110

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to bowserb • Jun 12, 2019

bowserb wrote:

If there is ever a chance that you might go to Canon mirrorless, and you might since even Canon is now admitting that mirrorless is their future, you might stick with your Canon 100-400 v1. Tamron is notorious for fast backward engineering and then needing firmware updates. Examples.

I just bought an M50, while my wife sticks with her 5DSR, 5D2, and 7D. I've gone through all our lenses and found every single Canon EF lens works with the M50 and Canon EF-M adapter. My Tamron 150-600 sort of works, but its slow AF got even slower. My Tamron 16-300 (a crop lens) does not work--AND Tamron has no firmware update. Customer service says, "It will not work on a mirrorless." Period. End of story. No firmware update for this.

We also have the 100-400 v1, and it has worked since 2004 on everything. On the 5DSR the AF even works with the 1.4 extender. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the 150-600, even with a Canon DSLR. Like someone else mentioned, that sucker is heavy. OTOH, I never cease to be amazed at the quality of pictures from the 100-400. It's heavy too, but lighter than the Tamron. The push pull zoom is actually handy in many instances where you can keep the zoom lock loose and zoom quickly wihtout twisting your hand (soccer games, etc.) It truly is a lens we won't leave home without.

Is this still the case where the M50 and the 150-600G2 are a bad AF combo that Tamron officiall says are incompatible? I wanted the G2 primarily for a birding lens and being half the cost of a 100-400L II + 1.4x TC

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Jura S • Senior Member • Posts: 1,980

Re: Replace Canon 100-400 V1 by tamron 150-600G2, good choice?

In reply to Yeant • Jun 12, 2019

Sigma 150-600C works well on M50. Even with Kenko DGX 1.4x that doesn't work on 80D.

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