Anyone go from E-P5 to E-M10 II?

inlawbiker wrote:

Hi all, I have read a lot of past forum posts and I'm leaning towards a E-M10 II as my travel camera. I wanted to get some feedback from owners since I have never really used an OMD. I currently own a PM2 and E-P5. I use 14, 20, 45, 12-32 lenses usually for travel. I also have a 14-140, 12-35 & 35-100 2.8.

My goal is a pocketable high quality setup. I travel to risky areas so I expect theft or loss, thus I keep it cheap on purpose.

First I got a E-PM2 + VF4, frankly I love this camera's photos. So long as I'm shooting a single style then the camera is set up how I like. Diversion from my default settings is difficult because it has so few controls. The SCP helps. IBIS isn't very good but I'll take it.

So, to fix the above I acquired an E-P5, still using the VF-4 on it. People seem to love this camera. It should check all my boxes right? It doesn't though, I don't enjoy using it. It's a tad too heavy and awkward with the VF-4 attached. I prefer the E-PM2, lack of controls notwithstanding.

I suppose what I'm asking is, does the E-M10 II hit the sweet spot? As I mentioned I have never used one. I did handle one in the store and I am impressed with how small it is. I expect someone will tell me to quit whining and use the PM2 or E-P5. It's possible I am being too picky after all, but I'd be happy to hear any thoughts.

Greg

I have an E-PM2 and bought a E-M10 mk1 not long ago. I didn’t think I needed the extra controls, I just wanted a EVF. I got used to the extra knobs and dials rather quick.

For street photography I still prefer the E-PM2. Unless, there's a good chance of considerable time for shooting wildlife I'm happy traveling with the E-PM2.

http://cameradecision.com/compare/Olympus-PEN-E-P5-vs-Olympus-OM-D-E-M10-II

The form factor is about the same… An E-M10 mkii will be about 75 grams lighter than the E-P5 + VF-4. You have to decide is that enough a difference to make the switch…

inlawbiker wrote:

Hi all, I have read a lot of past forum posts and I'm leaning towards a E-M10 II as my travel camera. I wanted to get some feedback from owners since I have never really used an OMD. I currently own a PM2 and E-P5. I use 14, 20, 45, 12-32 lenses usually for travel. I also have a 14-140, 12-35 & 35-100 2.8.

My goal is a pocketable high quality setup. I travel to risky areas so I expect theft or loss, thus I keep it cheap on purpose.

First I got a E-PM2 + VF4, frankly I love this camera's photos. So long as I'm shooting a single style then the camera is set up how I like. Diversion from my default settings is difficult because it has so few controls. The SCP helps. IBIS isn't very good but I'll take it.

With the EPM2, rather than use IBIS, use the lens OIS. It is far superior.

So, to fix the above I acquired an E-P5, still using the VF-4 on it. People seem to love this camera. It should check all my boxes right? It doesn't though, I don't enjoy using it. It's a tad too heavy and awkward with the VF-4 attached. I prefer the E-PM2, lack of controls notwithstanding.

I suppose what I'm asking is, does the E-M10 II hit the sweet spot? As I mentioned I have never used one. I did handle one in the store and I am impressed with how small it is. I expect someone will tell me to quit whining and use the PM2 or E-P5. It's possible I am being too picky after all, but I'd be happy to hear any thoughts.

Greg

I have an EPL5 and an EP5. I had looked at the EM10 II when it first came out.

For me, the biggest problem with the EM10 II and a deal breaker, was the flicker in the EVF.

So, I bought an EM5 II. The EVF is the same as the VF4. I do not have any problems with it.

However, in operation, the EP5 has an edge over the EM5 II - it is much faster. It will be a much faster camera than the EM10 II.

Allan

Allan Brown wrote:

inlawbiker wrote:

Hi all, I have read a lot of past forum posts and I'm leaning towards a E-M10 II as my travel camera. I wanted to get some feedback from owners since I have never really used an OMD. I currently own a PM2 and E-P5. I use 14, 20, 45, 12-32 lenses usually for travel. I also have a 14-140, 12-35 & 35-100 2.8.

My goal is a pocketable high quality setup. I travel to risky areas so I expect theft or loss, thus I keep it cheap on purpose.

First I got a E-PM2 + VF4, frankly I love this camera's photos. So long as I'm shooting a single style then the camera is set up how I like. Diversion from my default settings is difficult because it has so few controls. The SCP helps. IBIS isn't very good but I'll take it.

With the EPM2, rather than use IBIS, use the lens OIS. It is far superior.

So, to fix the above I acquired an E-P5, still using the VF-4 on it. People seem to love this camera. It should check all my boxes right? It doesn't though, I don't enjoy using it. It's a tad too heavy and awkward with the VF-4 attached. I prefer the E-PM2, lack of controls notwithstanding.

I suppose what I'm asking is, does the E-M10 II hit the sweet spot? As I mentioned I have never used one. I did handle one in the store and I am impressed with how small it is. I expect someone will tell me to quit whining and use the PM2 or E-P5. It's possible I am being too picky after all, but I'd be happy to hear any thoughts.

Greg

I have an EPL5 and an EP5. I had looked at the EM10 II when it first came out.

For me, the biggest problem with the EM10 II and a deal breaker, was the flicker in the EVF.

So, I bought an EM5 II. The EVF is the same as the VF4. I do not have any problems with it.

However, in operation, the EP5 has an edge over the EM5 II - it is much faster. It will be a much faster camera than the EM10 II.

Allan

Same comment from me as hockeyguy. As an E-M10 Mark II owner for a year I have never noticed any flicker in the EVF - in fact I have always been amazed at just how good it is. And equally with "faster" - that could mean anything - could you elaborate?

inlawbiker wrote:

inlawbiker wrote:

I suppose what I'm asking is, does the E-M10 II hit the sweet spot? As I mentioned I have never used one. I did handle one in the store and I am impressed with how small it is. I expect someone will tell me to quit whining and use the PM2 or E-P5. It's possible I am being too picky after all, but I'd be happy to hear any thoughts.

Greg

Alright after some deliberation I decided to order the E-M10 II. It should arrive in a week or so. This is my first deliberate full jump into Olympus after using 99% Panasonic cameras so I was a little nervous. I guess if it's good enough for Robin Wong it's good enough for me. Thanks all.

If you find the body feels a bit small with your longer lenses on it get the ECG-3 grip - I got mine a while ago and makes the handling really comfortable with long/heavier lenses - easy to fit and remove and looks an integral part of the camera when on

I did. Em10 ii was better ' the dials even worked.

Gx80 is a much better camera than both though (apart from evf). Low light af is a real step up.

hockey guy wrote:

Allan,

What do you mean by the flicker in the EVF?

In what way will the E-P5 be faster?

Thanks.

Some people can see the EVF flickering, others can't. I'm one who does see the flicker.

The flicker has been talked about many times on this forum and in a couple of reviews. It is a function of the OLED panel in the EVF. It is not a function of artificial light as I also saw the flicker when outside.

I was one of the first to notice the flicker when I was testing the camera in a store when it was first introduced. It was a promo by Oly and they had several bodies available. I saw the flicker on all the EM10 II's but not the EM5 II that I tested at the same time.

There are no internal settings that can remove the flicker as others have also noted.

Look it up in this forum.

For me, this was a deal breaker as the flicker can induce migraines.

As for speed: I also have an EM5 II. From turning the power switch ON, the EP5 is alive and taking photos while the EM5 II is still waking up. Various other camera operations are also faster on the EP5 compared to the EM5 II. This is quite noticeable when I am out and about with both bodies.

Again, this has been mentioned here on this forum by others.

Olympus introduced a firmware update to address this but with little effect.

Allan

inlawbiker wrote:

inlawbiker wrote:

I suppose what I'm asking is, does the E-M10 II hit the sweet spot? As I mentioned I have never used one. I did handle one in the store and I am impressed with how small it is. I expect someone will tell me to quit whining and use the PM2 or E-P5. It's possible I am being too picky after all, but I'd be happy to hear any thoughts.

Greg

Alright after some deliberation I decided to order the E-M10 II. It should arrive in a week or so. This is my first deliberate full jump into Olympus after using 99% Panasonic cameras so I was a little nervous. I guess if it's good enough for Robin Wong it's good enough for me. Thanks all.

So, let us know if you can see the EVF flicker that I mentioned. Some people do while others don't.

Allan

inlawbiker wrote:

Sion H wrote:

I did. Em10 ii was better ' the dials even worked.

Gx80 is a much better camera than both though (apart from evf). Low light af is a real step up.

The Gx80(/85) was a very close 2nd but I couldn't abide the EVF. I think Panasonic is doing themselves a disservice with the viewfinder on this line of cameras. But on the other hand, it's surely a lot better than no VF at all. I'm just willing to live with the additional hump on the Olympus to accommodate the slightly better VF in this case.

Yes it's awful. Gets worse with time. Is functional though. The em 10 ii one's is nice and the dials feel really good. I would of kept it but ironically it was the Olympus 75mm 1.8 that made me switch - really struggled to get a lock in my house in the evenings. Gx7 didn't and the gx80 is even better.

That's why the gx9 annoyed me so much. Cannot believe they stuck that evf on it again.

Allan Brown wrote:

hockey guy wrote:

Allan,

What do you mean by the flicker in the EVF?

In what way will the E-P5 be faster?

Thanks.

Some people can see the EVF flickering, others can't. I'm one who does see the flicker.

The flicker has been talked about many times on this forum and in a couple of reviews. It is a function of the OLED panel in the EVF. It is not a function of artificial light as I also saw the flicker when outside.

I was one of the first to notice the flicker when I was testing the camera in a store when it was first introduced. It was a promo by Oly and they had several bodies available. I saw the flicker on all the EM10 II's but not the EM5 II that I tested at the same time.

There are no internal settings that can remove the flicker as others have also noted.

Look it up in this forum.

For me, this was a deal breaker as the flicker can induce migraines.

As for speed: I also have an EM5 II. From turning the power switch ON, the EP5 is alive and taking photos while the EM5 II is still waking up. Various other camera operations are also faster on the EP5 compared to the EM5 II. This is quite noticeable when I am out and about with both bodies.

Again, this has been mentioned here on this forum by others.

Olympus introduced a firmware update to address this but with little effect.

Allan

Interesting - I didn't know about the previous posts from 2015 about the EVF flicker and have never noticed it with my EM-10 Mark II (I purchased mine about a year ago). I tried in vain this morning to see any flicker in the EVF but as always just a rock steady display for me - inside, outside - anywhere I have tried. I do understand about people being more sensitive to flicker though as my daughter always said she saw flicker in certain TVs but I didn't, so that maybe why I don't have any issues. Or maybe Olympus have done some changes since the launch, either in hardware or firmware (I have the latest firmware).

On my EM-10 Mark II (latest firmware) with the kit pancake zoom it takes 2 seconds from switching the power on (with the power switch) to being ready for a photo which I find very acceptable - it's a bit quicker than that from sleep mode (when you just touch the shutter again to wake it up). Not sure if this is quicker or slower than the EM-5 Mark II or the E-P5 or not though.