What would Asian and European women think?

I might wonder why women form any part of the world would wish to have a camera tool that was any different from a man with a similar level of interest in photography.

Sorry that there's a mistake. The E-PL9 is actually kitted with the smaller 14-42mm EZ lens, not the one shown in the first post. Here's is the corrected comparison photo.

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I might wonder why women form any part of the world would wish to have a camera tool that was any different from a man with a similar level of interest in photography.

I was led by previous posts to believe that they, or the ones being targeted, are not exactly on the same level in terms of interest, as men, or that other things like camera style, shape or colour of the faux skin maters more than phototaking features and performance. My own experience says that they are either smartphone or travel zoom users and not very keen in all the photography details (the majority), or, they tote big camera lenses (DSLRs) that their husband bought for the family, or, they are as or more serious as the average male hobbyists with serious FF DSLRS. I can't remember any women carrying such in-between cameras, i.e. serious compacts that cost so much as the e-PL9 or x-t20 etc and yet not exactly so good in IQ or in value as the FF.

Olympus E-PL9 - clearly less thick with the 12-42mm EZ lens.

Fuji A3 - more dials and also microphone input

We can again speculate whether the targeted buyers care about the mediocre Olympus 14-42mm EZ lens or the value of the microphone input

I just wish Fuji had or would release a pancake zoom, one that is even smaller or flatter than this 15-45mm.  how about 18-24mm?

Good on you privileged old, white, male showing your misogyny as well as racism. Have you ever considered the other gendes inclusion perhaps being targeted with this program?

Does every camera have to be big, masculine and phallic?

gary0319 wrote:

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I might wonder why women form any part of the world would wish to have a camera tool that was any different from a man with a similar level of interest in photography.

I was led by previous posts to believe that they, or the ones being targeted, are not exactly on the same level in terms of interest, as men, or that other things like camera style, shape or colour of the faux skin maters more than phototaking features and performance.

Or maybe the Pen is a nice blend of both quality image making (my PL7 produced some stunning images that my iPhone could not match), and fashion/style that is also important to them. Not all cameras need be black chunks.

Maybe, but it would be up to those buyers to judge fashion/style, not me.  I myself do not see much difference between these two new cameras in fashion/style, especially when compared to all the other features, performance, and price differences.

My own experience says that they are either smartphone or travel zoom users and not very keen in all the photography details (the majority), or, they tote big camera lenses (DSLRs) that their husband bought for the family, or, they are as or more serious as the average male hobbyists with serious FF DSLRS. I can't remember any women carrying such in-between cameras, i.e. serious compacts that cost so much as the e-PL9 or x-t20 etc and yet not exactly so good in IQ or in value as the FF.

OzRay wrote:

Good on you privileged old, white, male showing your misogyny as well as racism. Have you ever considered the other gendes inclusion perhaps being targeted with this program?

Does every camera have to be big, masculine and phallic?

I should point out (read my previous messages here, and also on the other 2 threads about the E-PL9), that I do not hold the same msogyny or racist views that you seem to detect. I actually said in the others posts I disagree with others' apparent suggestion that those targeted Asian ladies are not so cluey, and I said that all those I know have brains, and that they would look at more than fashion. ... Check the messages I wrote out. I will take what you said here as a joke, but be careful. It's not nice as there are many female members here, and many I respect.

gary0319 wrote:

Sergey Borachev wrote:

gary0319 wrote:

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I might wonder why women form any part of the world would wish to have a camera tool that was any different from a man with a similar level of interest in photography.

I was led by previous posts to believe that they, or the ones being targeted, are not exactly on the same level in terms of interest, as men, or that other things like camera style, shape or colour of the faux skin maters more than phototaking features and performance.

Or maybe the Pen is a nice blend of both quality image making (my PL7 produced some stunning images that my iPhone could not match), and fashion/style that is also important to them. Not all cameras need be black chunks.

Maybe, but it would be up to those buyers to judge fashion/style, not me. I myself do not see much difference between these two new cameras in fashion/style, especially when compared to all the other features, performance, and price differences

Yet you make note of the Fuji having a mic input. I cannot imagine a nice female attending a garden party in a fashionable frock, toting a microphone. Maybe us men like to have big honking gear with a port to plug in a beer cooler. And.....maybe we’re just men.

Not impossible, like in a school when her child sings or plays piano? Besides, the husband may have to carry the mike and tripod.

My own experience says that they are either smartphone or travel zoom users and not very keen in all the photography details (the majority), or, they tote big camera lenses (DSLRs) that their husband bought for the family, or, they are as or more serious as the average male hobbyists with serious FF DSLRS. I can't remember any women carrying such in-between cameras, i.e. serious compacts that cost so much as the e-PL9 or x-t20 etc and yet not exactly so good in IQ or in value as the FF.

OzRay wrote:

Good on you privileged old, white, male showing your misogyny as well as racism. Have you ever considered the other gendes inclusion perhaps being targeted with this program?

Does every camera have to be big, masculine and phallic?

...nice little rant you had there. How about you write Olympus a letter, then?

https://www.olympus.com.au/Products/Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/Olympus-Pen/E-PL9/Overview

The Olympus PEN E-PL9 features technology that lets you easily capture artistic photos, and has sophisticated exterior design that suits your stylish ensemble. You can easily import images taken with the E-PL9 to your smartphone for quick, easy sharing on social media.

Bonus question:  see if you can find any men on that Olympus page or any women that aren't Asian or European.

Still, it was good of you to attack the OP in the personal manner that you did, right?

Great Bustard wrote:

OzRay wrote:

Good on you privileged old, white, male showing your misogyny as well as racism. Have you ever considered the other gendes inclusion perhaps being targeted with this program?

Does every camera have to be big, masculine and phallic?

...nice little rant you had there. How about you write Olympus a letter, then?

https://www.olympus.com.au/Products/Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/Olympus-Pen/E-PL9/Overview

The Olympus PEN E-PL9 features technology that lets you easily capture artistic photos, and has sophisticated exterior design that suits your stylish ensemble. You can easily import images taken with the E-PL9 to your smartphone for quick, easy sharing on social media.

Bonus question: see if you can find any men on that Olympus page or any women that aren't Asian or European.

Still, it was good of you to attack the OP in the personal manner that you did, right?

If only he knew, how funny I thought it was as I read his message, because he obviously had made some assumptions based on my member name "Sergey Borachev", a nom-de-plume which I assure you is not an indicator at all of my race, ethnicity, or skin colour, drinking habit or views regarding the sexes etc. In fact, it would be a tiny bit racist wouldn't it to assume someone is white (when I can tell you I am not Caucasian) and that necessarily means certain traits? and I don't even know what to call the use of crude innuendo for no reason?

Sergey Borachev wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

OzRay wrote:

Good on you privileged old, white, male showing your misogyny as well as racism. Have you ever considered the other gendes inclusion perhaps being targeted with this program?

Does every camera have to be big, masculine and phallic?

...nice little rant you had there. How about you write Olympus a letter, then?

https://www.olympus.com.au/Products/Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/Olympus-Pen/E-PL9/Overview

The Olympus PEN E-PL9 features technology that lets you easily capture artistic photos, and has sophisticated exterior design that suits your stylish ensemble. You can easily import images taken with the E-PL9 to your smartphone for quick, easy sharing on social media.

Bonus question: see if you can find any men on that Olympus page or any women that aren't Asian or European.

Still, it was good of you to attack the OP in the personal manner that you did, right?

If only he knew, how funny I thought it was as I read his message, because he obviously had made some assumptions based on my member name "Sergey Borachev", a nom-de-plume which I assure you is not an indicator at all of my race, ethnicity, or skin colour, drinking habit or views regarding the sexes etc. In fact, it would be a tiny bit racist wouldn't it to assume someone is white (when I can tell you I am not Caucasian) and that necessarily means certain traits? and I don't even know what to call the use of crude innuendo for no reason?

The irony is pretty funny, isn't it?  Then again, a bird like me wouldn't really know. 

Sergey Borachev wrote:

My guess is that the typical woman buyer won't care too much about 4K or spending more for those 4K requirements (SD card, processing or editing power, software, time and effort for downsizing to HD, file transfer times..)

Is there a 'typical woman buyer'?