I have an E-P5 and thinking of getting an E-M10 Mark III and selling the E-P5... thoughts?

I've owned a few Micro Four Thirds cameras over the years. One of my favorites was the E-M1 (original).

Is the E-M10 Mark III better than the original E-M1 in terms of focusing speed, EVF performance, controls, touch screen, etc.?

Is the E-M10 Mark III that much of an improvement over the E-P5?

Thoughts? It's tempting nowadays with the rebate - hence my interest.

I haven't owned E-P5 or E-M10iii, but I had E-M1 and E-M10i, and the answer is it depends on what you're going to do with it.  Everything I have read seems to point to the E-M10iii as a crippled or dumbed down camera compared to the E-m10ii, really aimed at beginners and cell phone converts.  The E-P5 and EM1 are both great cameras that offer the user a ton of control.  Other than 4K, not sure what you'd gain

Bershatsky wrote:

Is the E-M10 Mark III that much of an improvement over the E-P5?

No.

Bershatsky wrote:

I've owned a few Micro Four Thirds cameras over the years. One of my favorites was the E-M1 (original).

Is the E-M10 Mark III better than the original E-M1 in terms of focusing speed, EVF performance, controls, touch screen, etc.?

Is the E-M10 Mark III that much of an improvement over the E-P5?

Thoughts? It's tempting nowadays with the rebate - hence my interest.

I have the EP-5, the E-M10, the E-M1 and E-M1 Mark II.  The first two do not get as much use as the later, so buying another camera does not make a lot of sense at this time.  The E-M1 is a very solid camera, and I have no issues with the EVF and most of the time with the focusing speed.  It out performs the E-M10.  The smaller cameras work just fine when I go for the almost pocket sized outing.  Try the E-M10 Mark II, a good number of people have spoken highly of that camera body.

scottyinfrisco wrote:

I haven't owned E-P5 or E-M10iii, but I had E-M1 and E-M10i, and the answer is it depends on what you're going to do with it. Everything I have read seems to point to the E-M10iii as a crippled or dumbed down camera compared to the E-m10ii, really aimed at beginners and cell phone converts. The E-P5 and EM1 are both great cameras that offer the user a ton of control. Other than 4K, not sure what you'd gain

Seriously?  The new Mark III is a "dumbed down" vision of the Mark II?   Considering the annotated improvements in the Mark III's focusing, menu re-alignment and other improvements mentioned by Olympus, I think your analysis is dumbed down.  The E-P5 is a prior generation camera thats not even to specs to the current E-P7.

If you are used to the E-P5, I would recommend against the 10 iii .... get another E-M1 Mk 1 or an E-10 Mk 2 with grip ... they deliberately dumbed down the 10 Mk 3 .... and I think that it doesn't take a grip.

FWIW.    Chas.

I wouldn't do that. The E-P5 with a VF-4 is very similar to the E-M1, assuming the software is up to date. That's flagship camera territory in a wonderful small package.

maltmoose wrote:

stevenbrantley wrote:

scottyinfrisco wrote:

I haven't owned E-P5 or E-M10iii, but I had E-M1 and E-M10i, and the answer is it depends on what you're going to do with it. Everything I have read seems to point to the E-M10iii as a crippled or dumbed down camera compared to the E-m10ii, really aimed at beginners and cell phone converts. The E-P5 and EM1 are both great cameras that offer the user a ton of control. Other than 4K, not sure what you'd gain

Seriously? The new Mark III is a "dumbed down" vision of the Mark II? Considering the annotated improvements in the Mark III's focusing, menu re-alignment and other improvements mentioned by Olympus, I think your analysis is dumbed down. The E-P5 is a prior generation camera thats not even to specs to the current E-P7.

Well you would think that the em10 mkiii is far superior to the e-p5 with over 4 years of evolution but sadly theres very little in the new em10iii that demonstrates this.

there are advantages to each and the e-p5 still has some advantages over the em10iii and is over half the price of em10iii now, well mine was a few years ago..

as for the epl7, the e-p5 is better in most ways and the epl7 is an em10ii

My understanding is that the E-pl7 has the same guts as the E-M10 mark I?

with no built in evf and less manual controls.. and many think the em10ii is the sweet spot in value/performance

maltmoose wrote:

RobbieBear wrote:

maltmoose wrote:

stevenbrantley wrote:

scottyinfrisco wrote:

I haven't owned E-P5 or E-M10iii, but I had E-M1 and E-M10i, and the answer is it depends on what you're going to do with it. Everything I have read seems to point to the E-M10iii as a crippled or dumbed down camera compared to the E-m10ii, really aimed at beginners and cell phone converts. The E-P5 and EM1 are both great cameras that offer the user a ton of control. Other than 4K, not sure what you'd gain

Seriously? The new Mark III is a "dumbed down" vision of the Mark II? Considering the annotated improvements in the Mark III's focusing, menu re-alignment and other improvements mentioned by Olympus, I think your analysis is dumbed down. The E-P5 is a prior generation camera thats not even to specs to the current E-P7.

Well you would think that the em10 mkiii is far superior to the e-p5 with over 4 years of evolution but sadly theres very little in the new em10iii that demonstrates this.

there are advantages to each and the e-p5 still has some advantages over the em10iii and is over half the price of em10iii now, well mine was a few years ago..

as for the epl7, the e-p5 is better in most ways and the epl7 is an em10ii

My understanding is that the E-pl7 has the same guts as the E-M10 mark I?

yes i think thats right

So, maybe if the E-pl9 materialises, it could basically be an E-M10 ii or iii without a viewfinder?

with no built in evf and less manual controls.. and many think the em10ii is the sweet spot in value/performance

Bershatsky wrote:

1. Faster AF

For S-AF? All are quick, judging by my E-PM2 (E-P5 generation) vs my E-M5-2

1. Better face detection
2. tap to shoot

Are you sure this isn't in later firmware for the E-P5?

1. Built in evf
2. Auto iso

Really surprised if the E-P5 doesn't have this. Unless you mean auto ISO in Manual with Ev comp.

1. raw+jpeg
2. Easy exposure comp
3. tilt screen

The E-P5 has this too...

1. Easy controls like white balance, focus, iso, etc.

Thanks for all of your input.

I have thought about getting another e-m1, but none in my area used and I don’t want to buy one site unseen (used). I was hoping a newer camera would be at least as good as the old e-m1, but in better shape (no weather sealing though).

The E-M10-3 loses the 1/8000 second shutter and the ability to remotely trigger a flash using the onboard flash. It's also now plastic construction, vs magnesium of the E-M10-2. Lastly, all E-M10s use the smaller BLS battery instead of the BLN shared by the E-M1, E-M5, and E-P5.

Unless you need 4K, the E-M10-2 is a better built, more versatile camera - and is often available on Olympus' own refurbished site for $299. Alternatively, the E-M5-2 is the current weathersealed, metal built body that's about the same size as the E-M10-3, and is pretty much on clearance waiting for the E-M5-3 to come out in a couple of months.

There's no love in these forums for the E-M10-3, I'm afraid.

RobbieBear wrote:

maltmoose wrote:

RobbieBear wrote:

maltmoose wrote:

stevenbrantley wrote:

scottyinfrisco wrote:

I haven't owned E-P5 or E-M10iii, but I had E-M1 and E-M10i, and the answer is it depends on what you're going to do with it. Everything I have read seems to point to the E-M10iii as a crippled or dumbed down camera compared to the E-m10ii, really aimed at beginners and cell phone converts. The E-P5 and EM1 are both great cameras that offer the user a ton of control. Other than 4K, not sure what you'd gain

Seriously? The new Mark III is a "dumbed down" vision of the Mark II? Considering the annotated improvements in the Mark III's focusing, menu re-alignment and other improvements mentioned by Olympus, I think your analysis is dumbed down. The E-P5 is a prior generation camera thats not even to specs to the current E-P7.

Well you would think that the em10 mkiii is far superior to the e-p5 with over 4 years of evolution but sadly theres very little in the new em10iii that demonstrates this.

there are advantages to each and the e-p5 still has some advantages over the em10iii and is over half the price of em10iii now, well mine was a few years ago..

as for the epl7, the e-p5 is better in most ways and the epl7 is an em10ii

My understanding is that the E-pl7 has the same guts as the E-M10 mark I?

yes i think thats right

So, maybe if the E-pl9 materialises, it could basically be an E-M10 ii or iii without a viewfinder?

with no built in evf and less manual controls.. and many think the em10ii is the sweet spot in value/performance

My bet is that it'll be an E-M10-3 without viewfinder, so same dumbed down menu and plastic build. It will also keep the E-PL tradition of having one control wheel.

Maybe Olympus will surprise us with something close to a GM5 in size.

The E-P5 is a great camera. The only reason I'd consider other m43 cameras would be if you need one of:

- EVF.  Go for the E-M10ii for best value or the E-M5ii

- Better AF. Go for the E-M1 - v1 or 2

- EVF but "rangefinder" form factor. Hi for the Pen F

As many have said, the E-M10ii doesn't seem to add a lot, but it takes useful things away.

Bershatsky wrote:

Yes, the E-P5 has everything that I listed, I just want to know if the newer camera is better at all that.

Oh I see, I missed the title.

Without firsthand experience, my understanding is that the E-M10-3 is actually worse at a lot of that, as Olympus has taken away a lot of manual controls in most modes. It's better as a truly automatic camera, worse if you want to assume control.

I presume, in the last line, that you meant to type E-M10iii.