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Pen F autofocus vs. OM-D E-M1 (either version)

Started Dec 26, 2017 | Questions
Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,182
Re: Panasonic body and AF
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James Pilcher wrote:

Hello Dunsun,

All of the noise about Panasonic AF seems to be this DFD stuff. Is that in play when an Olympus lens is on, say, a G9?

DfD is limited to Panny lenses on DfD-capable bodies. Oly lenses aren't included in their lens data.

Rick

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No DFD with Olympus lenses

Skeeterbytes wrote:

James Pilcher wrote:

Hello Dunsun,

All of the noise about Panasonic AF seems to be this DFD stuff. Is that in play when an Olympus lens is on, say, a G9?

DfD is limited to Panny lenses on DfD-capable bodies. Oly lenses aren't included in their lens data.

Thanks, Rick.

I thought that might be the case; I don't pay much attention to the Panasonic side of m4/3. Thanks for the information.

Jim Pilcher
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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,182
Re: No DFD with Olympus lenses

Hi Jim,

Same here--I had to dig into the Panny technical references to learn what the DfD system actually does and how its implemented. When they rolled it out they uploaded focus tables for their existing lenses to the cameras via firmware but since then their new lenses have the data on board, dispensing with FW updates for every new lens.

I suspect they could develop the data for any system AF lens and choose not to, for obvious is slightly cynical reasons. The E-M1s at least seem fairly agnostic as to the lens brand--applying PDAF to all brand in the modes its used (although, I think the Pro teles have faster focus motors in general). CDAF-only Oly cameras won't get top focus performance from Panny lenses compared to their DfD bodies. We're at a bit of a crossroads with the two brands at the moment.

Cheers,

Rick

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telefunk Senior Member • Posts: 2,652
Re: Pen F autofocus vs. OM-D E-M1 (either version)

JDLaing50 wrote:

Manual Focus. f/5.6

Yes, exactly. Your distance wasn't changing, so why didn't you use MF and fix it at that?

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Dunsun Contributing Member • Posts: 656
Re: Panasonic body and AF

James Pilcher wrote:

Dunsun wrote:

I own both of these cameras (E-M1 mark I, Pen F + E-M5 II).

CAF on Pen F is close to useless. Contrast detection in a lower light is the slowest on Pen F but the difference is not huge.

Anyways if you need far superior AF in bad light rather get a Panasonic camera. GX8 AF speed and accuracy is amazing. By the way I'm waiting for GX9. This camera will become my main camera (and yes mainly for its superior AF accuracy compared to Olympus cameras but also for other features like their great implementation of touch AF).

Hello Dunsun,

All of the noise about Panasonic AF seems to be this DFD stuff. Is that in play when an Olympus lens is on, say, a G9?

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Life is good in the woods

Hey,

It's not only about DFD. DFD is used mainly for CAF AF. But Panasonic uses superior AF algoritms even for SAF.

Anyway I was owning Olympus 17mm 1.8 and yes this lens does better on a Panasonic body than on any of Olympus camera I have owned (all except E-M1 mark II). Especially at night Panasonic can focus almost in a complete darkness.

Sadly it does not work the other way around. Some Panasonic lenses can strugle on Olympus bodies. First they do produce magenta fringing and flare on Sony sensors, second they can suffer from a AF hunting. Like my Panasonic 15mm 1.7 (amazing lens) on my Olympus cameras. On my previous GX8 it was lightinngly fast and accurate to focus in almost any light conditions not so with my Oly cameras.

Cheers

gary0319
gary0319 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,540
Re: left eye shooters

James Pilcher wrote:

We left-eye shooters do have a non-trivial issue with our noses on the rear LCD. The situation is most pronounced on cameras like the Pen F where the viewfinder is on the left side of the camera.

I also turned off all touch capability on my Pen F. Additionally, I generally have the LCD turned inward becasue I use the EVF almost exclusively unless my Pen F is on a tripod. I'm not prone to chimping, so having the LCD turned inward is not an inconvenience for me.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
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My Pen F (and E-M1 II) always have the LCD turned inwards unless I'm needing to access the menu or shoot at some inconvenient angle. Changes made via the SCP are made through the EVF.

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ABitGrainy Forum Member • Posts: 51
Re: left eye shooters

I wonder what fraction of shooters are left eye? In my case it is not about a dominant eye like being left or right handed. It is simply because my right eye has clearly worse vision, so I chose to use the left.

Now, on the PEN with it’s flattened eye piece, I am not able to use the viewfinder without my nose being pressed to the touch screen. Perhaps there are some left eye folk out there with pert little schnozzles who can avoid this.

But also, I actually LIKE to use the nose-press to stabilise the camera. In low light conditions, I use both hands and my face (well ok, my nose) to brace the camera body. Whether this helps avoiding camera shake, given the amazing IS, I do not know; though I assume that it might even give a small advantage for a left eye shooter using the PEN?

But this brings up another connected touch screen problem. If you use both hands to hold the camera body, then the left thumb is likely to brush the touchscreen. Given the left-sided toggle switch location, some (maybe most) of the touchscreen induced switching between on/off for the focussing toggle was likely due to my thumb, not my nose.

In my view, the location of this toggle on the touchscreen is a major design failure. The safest location may be to upper right, though that should be thought through properly by the interface designers. But any live-to-touch switch that can ruin a photo when unwittingly activated should probably not be on the left side. And the menus ought to offer an option to hide the switch for those who are compromised. I believe that option is not currently available - at least I could not find it.

I don’t own, but have access to and have used, an OM-D E-M5 Mark II. With that camera, my nose never touches the screen during shooting. Furthermore, my left thumb does not need to be placed as far over the touch screen in two handed-holding. I now know what to look out for in future, but I don’t think that the latter camera ever presented me with the same difficulties. Nose activation of the toggle switch could be a nightmare for some nasally augmented right-eyed shooters though…

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