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Decent lens, but far from perfect...

Started Dec 15, 2017 | User reviews
omichael Forum Member • Posts: 77
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alfaholic wrote:

Oh sorry, this was 18-55 zoom, here is Sigma at 35mm and 35mm f2:

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You think the Fuji is less sharp? Granted, the Fuji image seems to make the type look bloated, but the interior spaces of the type are fully maintained and the dots are maintained. The letters themselves are being eaten away on the Sigma image, and it’s already noisy.

My guess is that the Fuji represents the actual printing quality way better than the Sigma. And the “bloated look from the Fuji can easily be reduced with sharpening while still ending up with text that is truer to the font than the Sigma is in this image.

The Sigma aleady looks oversharpened and interior spaces are alreay severely compromised. I really don’t see how you can call the Sigma sharp.

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alfaholic wrote:

There is no processing. There is no sharpening. My comparison is made with two RAW files without any sharpening and PP, so just the lens and captured sensor data.

No. You cannot see the data in a raw file, so it has to be 'processed' before you can see it.

What you see is the default demosaicing process that Adobe chose for that camera.

The sliders do not have comparable effects between different camera models.

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JS Burnie
JS Burnie Veteran Member • Posts: 4,280
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alfaholic wrote:

There is no processing. There is no sharpening. My comparison is made with two RAW files without any sharpening and PP, so just the lens and captured sensor data.

And this is the problem.  I don't believe this is a valid or useful test of a lens.  When I shot film, my negatives didn't look good until they were developed.  

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baobob
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This sample is just OOF

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baobob wrote:

This sample is just OOF

Out of focus? (I had to look it up)

So are you saying the Fujifilm camera cannot autofocus correctly? Do you think it has front or back focus? I thought that was only SLR lenses.

Or are you thinking it's field curvature?

omichael Forum Member • Posts: 77
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baobob wrote:

This sample is just OOF

Why is everyone essentially saying the Sigma image is sharper? The orange ring near rhe ouside of the logo is filling in in the Sigma image and open in the Fuji. The B and A in BAG are both filling in the interior spaces though held open in the Fuji image. The dots in the URL are ghosts but held in the Fuji. The letter forms are being eaten away in the Sigma image. The indentations on the side of the box are sharper in the Fuji image.

If this was poor focus, none of this would be true. The Sigma image looks like an oversharpened jpeg. It is not resolving anything better than the Fuji image.

I still say the Fuji is actually showing the unsharp naure of the printing, which wouln’t be unusual for printing on boxes.

At first glance the thiness of the font in the url can be mistaken for sharpness, but it’s just the opposite.

The Fuji is out-resolving the Sigma.

Easy Rider
Easy Rider Veteran Member • Posts: 8,236
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Vic Chapman wrote:

alfaholic wrote:

Well, I am talking about lens sharpness without developing, with sharpness setting to zero in RAW developing software, just looking at the RAF file showing just the lens. As for developing, I can extrude some details from the files and then my photos look relatively normal.

Raw files should be flat with lacklustre colour and little sharpness - that's why they are Raw and need developing. I find that once tonal contrast is returned to the raw file the image immediately takes on sharpness.

Don't expect to process Fuji RAF files as you did Nikon NEF.

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I process RAF files exactly how I process NEF files using ACR and CS6, and I see no difference. He could just be right about the lenses.

Although at 35mm in his files he posted here I'd say the Fuji 35mm is winning against the Sigma 17-50 F2.8 at 36mm easily.

But when it comes to the 35mm F1.8 DX he could just be correct.

That Nikon 35mm F1.8 DX IS insanely sharp. It has fantastic contrast and colour also, it really does. Open up files with it and they often need NO PROCESSING. I kid not. It's that good. It eats my already sharp and good contrast and okay colour Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC OS HSM for breakfast and that is one damn fine MR zoom lens. You can click auto anything in ACR and CS6 on shots taken with that DX 35mm F1.8 and nothing barely changes, if anything.  The clarity and acutance are stellar.

On the downside it also has slow AF, nasty, nervous bokeh, and back focussing issues, especially wide open and in low light, so is far from perfect.

But it is as sharp as ________.

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just to make more popcorns

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baobob
baobob Forum Pro • Posts: 18,248
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Just saying this sample is slightly OOF nothing to do with sharpness

I always set shutter release to focus priority

But eventhough you can get sometimes some slightly OOF (a few %)

With the sample proposed it is always best to check with the focus peaking tha the focus is perfect

AF+MF turn gently the distance ring to check

I was just saying that with the sample proposed it was just not possible to make a valid statement about sharpness

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bob13bob Contributing Member • Posts: 954
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thanks OP for bringing data to the table in this discussion.  You are not hte only one to say this lens is soft at wide open f2.   I can see from the first picture it's soft, not sure what some of these other posters are huffing.

Anyone can point out experimental flaws and mire a discussion with technical definitions to side rail the evidence.

ViMa
ViMa Senior Member • Posts: 2,150
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bob13bob wrote:

thanks OP for bringing data to the table in this discussion. You are not hte only one to say this lens is soft at wide open f2. I can see from the first picture it's soft, not sure what some of these other posters are huffing.

Anyone can point out experimental flaws and mire a discussion with technical definitions to side rail the evidence.

It is all part of a conspiracy started by the Angry Photographer to make the world buy more Fuji lenses even though they are by far the most inferior lenses produced at the moment. I for one only shoot with Lensbaby and 7artisans and have never found a single imperfection. Simply flawless.

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Crashton
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ViMa wrote:

bob13bob wrote:

thanks OP for bringing data to the table in this discussion. You are not hte only one to say this lens is soft at wide open f2. I can see from the first picture it's soft, not sure what some of these other posters are huffing.

Anyone can point out experimental flaws and mire a discussion with technical definitions to side rail the evidence.

It is all part of a conspiracy started by the Angry Photographer to make the world buy more Fuji lenses even though they are by far the most inferior lenses produced at the moment. I for one only shoot with Lensbaby and 7artisans and have never found a single imperfection. Simply flawless.

Thanks for the laugh..... 

Another tread brought back from the dead. 

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