A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

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sparkie Contributing Member • Posts: 783
A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

It looks like the silent shutter (via electronic shutter) is an option you have to turn on vs the mechanical which presumably is the default? Which is a noticeable 'clunk'

My question if anyone knows is can you have the silent shutter on as the default and any cons having or using it most of the time? (apart from global shutter issue with photos of fast moving subjects).

What are pros and cons of using the electronic vs mechanical?

From what I have read:

Electronic PROS - faster, silent, no vibration. CONS - global shutter effects

Mechanical PROS - no, or minimised shutter effects. CONS - loud, shutter slap/vibration

Does using the electronic shutter all the time wear out the components or have a detrimental effect?

I have a dinosuaric A7R Mark 1, and as fas as I know it does not have a silent shutter option right?

TIA

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Bronto99 Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

sparkie wrote:

It looks like the silent shutter (via electronic shutter) is an option you have to turn on vs the mechanical which presumably is the default? Which is a noticeable 'clunk'

My question if anyone knows is can you have the silent shutter on as the default and any cons having or using it most of the time? (apart from global shutter issue with photos of fast moving subjects).

What are pros and cons of using the electronic vs mechanical?

From what I have read:

Electronic PROS - faster, silent, no vibration. CONS - global shutter effects

Mechanical PROS - no, or minimised shutter effects. CONS - loud, shutter slap/vibration

Does using the electronic shutter all the time wear out the components or have a detrimental effect?

I have a dinosuaric A7R Mark 1, and as fas as I know it does not have a silent shutter option right?

TIA

Yes, the electronic shutter wears nothing out except electrons and it also uses less battery, so you can take thousands of shots on a single charge this way. One con to e-shutter may be a slightly altered defocused area in your images. I know that sounds weird and illogical, but I'm finding out it is a real effect. On my A9, you basically get no rolling shutter effect, but the readout time on the A73 is going to be slower - so another con for using an e-shutter is possibly more rolling shutter effects with fast movements. I am not sure why you list a "global shutter effect" under cons. Only CCD sensors have a global shutter and the A73 is a CMOS sensor.

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OP sparkie Contributing Member • Posts: 783
Re: A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

Bronto99 wrote:

sparkie wrote:

It looks like the silent shutter (via electronic shutter) is an option you have to turn on vs the mechanical which presumably is the default? Which is a noticeable 'clunk'

My question if anyone knows is can you have the silent shutter on as the default and any cons having or using it most of the time? (apart from global shutter issue with photos of fast moving subjects).

What are pros and cons of using the electronic vs mechanical?

From what I have read:

Electronic PROS - faster, silent, no vibration. CONS - global shutter effects

Mechanical PROS - no, or minimised shutter effects. CONS - loud, shutter slap/vibration

Does using the electronic shutter all the time wear out the components or have a detrimental effect?

I have a dinosuaric A7R Mark 1, and as fas as I know it does not have a silent shutter option right?

TIA

Yes, the electronic shutter wears nothing out except electrons and it also uses less battery, so you can take thousands of shots on a single charge this way. One con to e-shutter may be a slightly altered defocused area in your images. I know that sounds weird and illogical, but I'm finding out it is a real effect. On my A9, you basically get no rolling shutter effect, but the readout time on the A73 is going to be slower - so another con for using an e-shutter is possibly more rolling shutter effects with fast movements. I am not sure why you list a "global shutter effect" under cons. Only CCD sensors have a global shutter and the A73 is a CMOS sensor.

So why would anyone want to use the mechanical shutter given the choice?

Sorry I meant rolling shutter effect (!) -- the A7R III shows this when tested on the camerastore review. The mountain bike wheel was oblong instead of round..

And can you setup the camera to turn on to shoot with the e-shutter instead of the mechanical one?

SQLGuy
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Re: A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

Besides the silent shutter's rolling shutter issues (which include banding, under most LED and pretty much all fluorescent lights), another reason to use mechanical is that you can't use a flash with the electronic shutter.

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Bronto99 Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

sparkie wrote:

So why would anyone want to use the mechanical shutter given the choice?

Sorry I meant rolling shutter effect (!) -- the A7R III shows this when tested on the camerastore review. The mountain bike wheel was oblong instead of round..

And can you setup the camera to turn on to shoot with the e-shutter instead of the mechanical one?

You would use the mechanical shutter to prevent a rolling shutter effect, to possibly have smoother defocused areas and to sync with a flash. I am sure the A73 will be like the A9 in that you can select mechanical only, electronic only or "automatic".

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randomguy Contributing Member • Posts: 514
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Bronto99 wrote:

Yes, the electronic shutter wears nothing out except electrons and it also uses less battery, so you can take thousands of shots on a single charge this way. One con to e-shutter may be a slightly altered defocused area in your images.

It is mechanical shutter with electronic first curtain that gives bokeh issues. If anything electronic shutter should give the most correct performance since every pixel receives light from all angles for exactly the same duration.

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Viramati Senior Member • Posts: 1,373
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I have Silent shooting on off assigned to an fn button and it is really a non issue but more interestingly I have tried shooting with EFCS off and compared to a A7rII it is much quicker with no audible break between the shutter having to fire twice. It might slow down continuous shooting a bit but as a sound it is hardly disturbing as it used to be and is a lot snappier so those who worry about bokeh issues with EFCS might want to shoot with it off

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Laddu Forum Member • Posts: 91
Re: A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

SQLGuy wrote:

Besides the silent shutter's rolling shutter issues (which include banding, under most LED and pretty much all fluorescent lights), another reason to use mechanical is that you can't use a flash with the electronic shutter.

Even with deflicker option turned on?

Viramati Senior Member • Posts: 1,373
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Laddu wrote:

SQLGuy wrote:

Besides the silent shutter's rolling shutter issues (which include banding, under most LED and pretty much all fluorescent lights), another reason to use mechanical is that you can't use a flash with the electronic shutter.

Even with deflicker option turned on?

Haven't tried this yet but will try today if the situation arrises

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tn1krr Senior Member • Posts: 1,318
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Viramati wrote:

Laddu wrote:

SQLGuy wrote:

Besides the silent shutter's rolling shutter issues (which include banding, under most LED and pretty much all fluorescent lights), another reason to use mechanical is that you can't use a flash with the electronic shutter.

Even with deflicker option turned on?

Haven't tried this yet but will try today if the situation arrises

Anti-flicker shooting does not apply to silent shutter. It times mechanical shutter to minimize flicker

http://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1710/v1/en/contents/TP0001211735.html

Try compressed RAW + AF-C to force 12-bit with silent shutter. That might lessen the distortion of moving objects. "If you want to shoot images in the RAW format with less distortion, set [Drive Mode] to [Cont. Shooting] and [RAW File Type] to [Compressed]."

http://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1710/v1/en/contents/TP0001211759.html

The only place (to my understanding) where one can use silent shutter with flash is pixel shift, but the sync time is 1/13 do to sensor readout speed.

http://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1710/v1/en/contents/TP0001552918.html

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Global shutter ~= CMOS? No.

Bronto99 wrote:

Only CCD sensors have a global shutter and the A73 is a CMOS sensor.

How about the Arri, Red and Blackmagic cameras?

Sony makes global shutter CMOS sensors:

https://www.ptgrey.com/sony-pregius-global-shutter-cmos-technology

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sparkie wrote:

It looks like the silent shutter (via electronic shutter) is an option you have to turn on vs the mechanical which presumably is the default? Which is a noticeable 'clunk'

My question if anyone knows is can you have the silent shutter on as the default and any cons having or using it most of the time? (apart from global shutter issue with photos of fast moving subjects).

What are pros and cons of using the electronic vs mechanical?

From what I have read:

Electronic PROS - faster, silent, no vibration. CONS - global shutter effects

Mechanical PROS - no, or minimised shutter effects. CONS - loud, shutter slap/vibration

Does using the electronic shutter all the time wear out the components or have a detrimental effect?

I have a dinosuaric A7R Mark 1, and as fas as I know it does not have a silent shutter option right?

TIA

Not sure about the A7Riii but the "pros" of silent shutter and zero blackout with my A9 continue to amaze me!

Knowing what I know now about this feature it was worth the A9 price for that alone.

And shooting movement I cannot over emphasize the zero blackout feature - sorry A7rIII fans.

You can bet that the A7r4 will have zero blackout too because by that time people will be screaming for it.

I for one couldn't go back to a camera with a screen that goes black between shots.

But heck if you by into the whole megapixel marketing thing then the A7rIII is it

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aSevenArr wrote:

But heck if you by into the whole megapixel marketing thing then the A7rIII is it

Some buy into the megapixel marketing thing, others buy into the zero blackout marketing thing. It's great to have choice!

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Pardon me if this is an ignorant question, but will using the eshutter increase the likelihood of of sensor spots, in that the sensor is not shielded by the shutter during lens swaps?

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scrane wrote:

Pardon me if this is an ignorant question, but will using the eshutter increase the likelihood of of sensor spots, in that the sensor is not shielded by the shutter during lens swaps?

Unfortunately the shutter is always open except when it takes a picture so it’s exposed during lens changes regardless of settings. I’ve often wondered why the shutter is not closed when you power off the camera to minimize dust during lens changes.

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scrane wrote:

Pardon me if this is an ignorant question, but will using the eshutter increase the likelihood of of sensor spots, in that the sensor is not shielded by the shutter during lens swaps?

No.  In either case, as with every other mirrorless camera by every camera manufacturer, the sensor is not shielded during lens swaps.

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BBQue wrote:

aSevenArr wrote:

But heck if you by into the whole megapixel marketing thing then the A7rIII is it

Some buy into the megapixel marketing thing, others buy into the zero blackout marketing thing. It's great to have choice!

Just wait for the A7r4 to launch and you’ll see the zero-blackout advantage for yourself (oh... and I do own higher MP cameras but I have since seen the light on that particular “advantage”).

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jouni123 Senior Member • Posts: 2,757
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You have gotten lot of replies about this point. I have used silent shutter on my Fujifilm X T-2 about a year, taken at least 30.000 pictures with it, extremely seldom got issues that should depent on silent shutter, not more than 10 pcs. I am street photographer.

Now I have had Sony a7r II 1½-month, have not taken more than 5 pictures with mechanical shutter. Because sensor on Sony is bigger and has almost two times more pixels, I can get more often disturbings on my pictures, I should say 2 -3 of hundred. My average succes relation use to be 2 - 3 better pics of hundred, that means issue hits very seldom those better ones.

So don't worry about this at all, camera has also mechanic shutter, easy to change when you want to be sure not to have issues.

Silent shutter is fantastic invention and tool, it didn't come to distroy pictures, it is here to help us take better pictures and help camera to hold much longer, I hope so. Anybody can undersand moving parts in mechanic shutter will be defect easier than what electronic stream can couse to camera, correct me if I am wrong. I know here in this forum is people who know this technic much better than me.

Here is link to 5 pictures, all of them are taken with silent shutter, some of them with cheap Samyung lens 35/2.8

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/9019883962/albums/sony-a7r-ii

Wellcome to club,  jouni

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OP sparkie Contributing Member • Posts: 783
Re: A7R III silent shutter vs mechanical

aSevenArr wrote:

BBQue wrote:

aSevenArr wrote:

But heck if you by into the whole megapixel marketing thing then the A7rIII is it

Some buy into the megapixel marketing thing, others buy into the zero blackout marketing thing. It's great to have choice!

Just wait for the A7r4 to launch and you’ll see the zero-blackout advantage for yourself (oh... and I do own higher MP cameras but I have since seen the light on that particular “advantage”).

What's the zero-blackout advantage?

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