Nikon Dominates DP Review's "Best for Any Budget" Recs

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Bill Ferris
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Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

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lickity split
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Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

Think I'll drop a link to this over in the Canon forum just in case they need some cheering up..

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lickity split wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

Think I'll drop a link to this over in the Canon forum just in case they need some cheering up..

Actually a Canon 6D could be had from BestBuy earlier this week for under USD900.

Doubt very much that a D5600 can match it in sensor output nor exceed in much else (FF vs APS-C).

Similarly for D7200 new is available for less than USD1,000.

No way the D5600 is a better camera.

As for 'under USD1,500', I have seen someone claim to have got a deal on the D500 for USD1,450.

So the list does not reflect actual market conditions (thus misleading as seems to based on list prices).

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AZBlue
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Shhh... Don't ruin the party for the Nikon-is-doomed folks!

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fishy wishy
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ImageAmateur wrote:

Actually a Canon 6D could be had from BestBuy earlier this week for under USD900.

- that's a closeout price, remember. Haven't we all seen models on their way out drastically reduced? Canon never debuted a full frame camera with the intention of selling it at $900, you can be sure.

Doubt very much that a D5600 can match it in sensor output nor exceed in much else (FF vs APS-C).

6D is such old sensor tech that a D5600 could be 1.5-2 stops better in DR even if yielding a stop at high isos. A D5600 with DX zoom is not really a worse holiday/walkaround proposition, particularly if you realise you're probably saving half a kilo.

Similarly for D7200 new is available for less than USD1,000.

No way the D5600 is a better camera.

As for 'under USD1,500', I have seen someone claim to have got a deal on the D500 for USD1,450.

I've seen 7D II for under $1000. I could make better use of the 7D II than either D7200 or D5600 even with the lower DR because it's a pro-featured camera and it suits me for sports. I invite NIkon to match this price with the D500 but I don't think it's going to happen.

GrapeJam
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Now if only the D850 had on sensor PDAF and IBIS it wouldn't be sharing the same place with the A7RIII.

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Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

That should make the D850 even harder to get.

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lickity split wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

Think I'll drop a link to this over in the Canon forum just in case they need some cheering up..

Excellent idea. I'll hit the Fuji X forum. Who'll take Sony?

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Michael1000 Senior Member • Posts: 1,454
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Bill Ferris wrote:

lickity split wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

Think I'll drop a link to this over in the Canon forum just in case they need some cheering up..

Excellent idea. I'll hit the Fuji X forum. Who'll take Sony?

lol

Now, now, guys.  Let's not rub salt in the wounds. 

Ian Stuart Forsyth
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Bill Ferris wrote:

lickity split wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

Think I'll drop a link to this over in the Canon forum just in case they need some cheering up..

Excellent idea. I'll hit the Fuji X forum. Who'll take Sony?

What ever you do don't hit the pentax forum

You'll never come back alive

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Ian Stuart Forsyth wrote:

What ever you do don't hit the pentax forum

You'll never come back alive

Oh now I'm curious, someone please do it! *grab pop corn*

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Ian Stuart Forsyth
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GrapeJam wrote:

Ian Stuart Forsyth wrote:

What ever you do don't hit the pentax forum

You'll never come back alive

Oh now I'm curious, someone please do it! *grab pop corn*

Oh!!! I don't know about that, I would consider taking something more than pop corn to a knife or gun fight

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PDAF, long overdue, but you won't see any IBIS unless its a mirrorless.

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Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

It does beg the question, why has Nikon been losing market share?

It's not (I believe) because they don't have MILC products - Nikon is losing share relative to Canon, for whom the MILC line must be a small part of their business.

Oddly, in this year of Nikon-doom-prophecy, my perception has been that Nikon has never had a more competitive line-up of cameras.

Even the gap in lenses that we used to complain about relative to Canon has been closed by some good new launches and updates.

It's odd.

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VBLondon wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

It does beg the question, why has Nikon been losing market share?

It's not (I believe) because they don't have MILC products - Nikon is losing share relative to Canon, for whom the MILC line must be a small part of their business.

Oddly, in this year of Nikon-doom-prophecy, my perception has been that Nikon has never had a more competitive line-up of cameras.

Even the gap in lenses that we used to complain about relative to Canon has been closed by some good new launches and updates.

It's odd.

Maybe for full frame, but not APS-C. Even in full frame, where is the 24-70f4, the 400mm 5.6, for a reasonable price (around USD1,000 for the former, which is reputedly excellent and around USD1,250 for the latter, ditto).

I suspect that is they were to come, they would not be anywhere in Canon's ballpark pricing.

Maybe the market share loss would be even worse, without the excellent camera body releases of the last five years?

No doubt at all that Nikon has the best AND most reasonable priced camera bodies, bar none. One of the competitor mirrorless APS-C's can come to the price of a D750 or D500 easily, Which is ludicrous for what they (the mirrorless APS-C's) offer in comparison.

And that is not even considering market specials and discounts.

You can pick up a D7200 for under USD1,000 now. A superb camera. Only, where are the lenses for APS-C?

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ImageAmateur wrote:

Maybe for full frame, but not APS-C. Even in full frame, where is the 24-70f4, the 400mm 5.6, for a reasonable price (around USD1,000 for the former, which is reputedly excellent and around USD1,250 for the latter, ditto).

Agree that it's mainly full-frame. I don't know the Canon lenses well, so this is just my vague impression. I didn't think Canon were that great on APS-C lenses either?

On FX, whilst there may be some gaps, there are also some advantages in Nikon FX - the latest 70-200 2.8 is better than Canon's, the f1.8 primes are a nicer wide range I think, the compact 300 f4 P lens? It feels to me that Nikon is much more balanced with respect to Canon today in FX lenses.

Maybe the market share loss would be even worse, without the excellent camera body releases of the last five years?

But the lens range can't be the reason for the share loss? A few years back the relative position was much worse - the days when there weren't f4 zooms, modernised big prime telephotos etc? Nor were the Nikon bodies so systematically competitive relative to Canon.

You can pick up a D7200 for under USD1,000 now. A superb camera. Only, where are the lenses for APS-C?

Agree. If I wanted APS-C, I'd buy Fuji. But is Canon's EF-S lens range much better than Nikon's DX? My question is more about share loss relative to Canon.

If Nikon loses share to MILC, fair enough, that means people want MILCs not DSLRs.

If Canon sell a lot of cameras, fair enough too - it's a great company with a great ecosystem for any photographic need.

But it still puzzles me that recently Nikon have lost share whilst Canon have maintained theirs. The only respect in which Canon has a meaningfully better market presence is the M-series MILCs. Can that explain it?

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ImageAmateur wrote:

You can pick up a D7200 for under USD1,000 now. A superb camera. Only, where are the lenses for APS-C?

Nikon virtually declared APS-C (on Nikon, DX) as the cheap consumer line by not updating the D300S for 7 years and hobbling the D7100 with a small buffer. The idea was that pros had to go to FX with a higher profit margin. So if you're thinking Nikon ever intended a full lineup of DX equivalent, you're wrong.

Not surprisingly Nikon concentrated on kit zooms and premium kit zooms for DX. You won't find exotic fast Nikon DX lenses. You'll have to go to Sigma & Tamron for that.

Sigma have thrown DX a bone with 18-35 f1.8 and 50-100 f1.8 and a previously a very good 50-150 f2.8 OS- which obviously didn't sell well enough to continue. Can you really blame Nikon for not pursuing DX lineup too hard when an excellent workhorse lens like that fails to sell. Fact is most of the people with cheap cameras wanted cheap lenses and it will always be true.

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lickity split wrote:

Think I'll drop a link to this over in the Canon forum just in case they need some cheering up..

Maybe some of the mirrorless forums, too 

Bill Ferris
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ImageAmateur wrote:

VBLondon wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

It does beg the question, why has Nikon been losing market share?

It's not (I believe) because they don't have MILC products - Nikon is losing share relative to Canon, for whom the MILC line must be a small part of their business.

Oddly, in this year of Nikon-doom-prophecy, my perception has been that Nikon has never had a more competitive line-up of cameras.

Even the gap in lenses that we used to complain about relative to Canon has been closed by some good new launches and updates.

It's odd.

Maybe for full frame, but not APS-C. Even in full frame, where is the 24-70f4, the 400mm 5.6, for a reasonable price (around USD1,000 for the former, which is reputedly excellent and around USD1,250 for the latter, ditto).

The paucity of Nikkor APS-C lenses is a factor. I also think the Nikon 'rep' has been seriously damaged over the last five years by QC issues with both bodies and lenses, by the established Internet lore about Nikon video performance, by stories about Nikon's financial troubles and even by Canon's long-running dominance among professional photojournalists.

I suspect that is they were to come, they would not be anywhere in Canon's ballpark pricing.

Maybe the market share loss would be even worse, without the excellent camera body releases of the last five years?

I don't know. Dropping from second banana to Canon in a 49-42 market share split to almost an afterthought in a 63-31 split in just a few years is fairly gruesome.

No doubt at all that Nikon has the best AND most reasonable priced camera bodies, bar none. One of the competitor mirrorless APS-C's can come to the price of a D750 or D500 easily, Which is ludicrous for what they (the mirrorless APS-C's) offer in comparison.

And that is not even considering market specials and discounts.

You can pick up a D7200 for under USD1,000 now. A superb camera. Only, where are the lenses for APS-C?

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You ask a great question: where are the APS-C lenses? And there are others.

Where is the competitive mirrorless lineup of bodies? Nikon's dragging out the introduction of their next gen mirrorless body as though the world is waiting on pins and needles to see it, hold it, buy it. Hey Nikon, you've become a third world country in entry level and enthusiast camera sales. Your share is so small that it's fair to characterize market interest in the next mirrorless as, "Nobody cares!"

Yes, Nikon shooters are interested. We may even buy a few. But at barely 30% of the crashing DSLR market (and falling) and with negligible sales in MILC, the vast majority of the digital imaging universe doesn't care what Nikon does next...in anything.

It kills me to say this. I've been a Nikon owner of film and digital cameras for 25 years. I love my D610. I'd love to upgrade to a D850. I'll personally be very interested to see Nikon's D6xx/D7xx upgrade. I'm even openly interested in their next move in mirrorless. The D5, D850 and D500 are all outstanding cameras.

All that said, Nikon is practically invisible to much of the digital imaging world. The brand has lost much of its cache and is on the brink of joining the huddled masses in the characterization of digital imaging as being Canon and everybody else.

But all is not lost! Glorious news! Nikon dominates DP Review's "Best Camera for Any Budget" recommendations

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Ian Stuart Forsyth wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

lickity split wrote:

Bill Ferris wrote:

Nikon DSLRs dominate DP Reviews recommendations for best cameras for any budget:

  • Under $1,000: D5600
  • Under $1,500: D7500
  • Under $2,000: D750
  • Over $2,000: D850 (tie with Sony A7RIII)

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/3914636859/2017-buying-guides-best-cameras-for-any-budget

Think I'll drop a link to this over in the Canon forum just in case they need some cheering up..

Excellent idea. I'll hit the Fuji X forum. Who'll take Sony?

What ever you do don't hit the pentax forum

You'll never come back alive

Honestly, seeing how canon and old nikon keep slacking of due to their market leaders position. From a customer perspective Id actually be glad that nikon is getting smaller and has to try hard to stay competitive.

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