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OP BertIverson Veteran Member • Posts: 4,224
Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Miki Nemeth wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

250D achromatic close up filter to the super lens on the 600mm RX10 III/IV. In all cases, the distance from subject to front of lens is about 8 or 9 inches (200mm)

600 yields 23mm FOV 1:1.7
400 yields 26mm FOV 1:2
200 yields 44mm FOV 1:3
100 yields 60mm FOV 1:4

Hi Bert, I am very much interested, what formula have you used to calculate these values?

When you add a close-up lens to a camera which is focusing to infinity, then a 250D close-up lens gives M = f*D ( 0.88 = 0.22m * +4) 0.88 (1:1.13) magnification when the lens is fully zoomed (600mm on the lens barrel) at a working distance of 25 cm.

The real focal length of the RX10IV lens is 220 mm (0.22 m) and not 600 mm for a calculation like that.

So, a 8.8 mm vertical object is photographed as a 7.74 mm image, which would take 3210 pixels out of the total 3648 pixels.

Thanks, Miki

Hi Miki,

Pretty much ignore me on the magnifications. No formula was used. Also, I mistakenly used 18mm for the sensor long dimension (13.2mm apparently) Furthermore, I had myself convinced that 1:1 macro implied that the subject filled the frame (along the 13.2mm dimension -- maybe something I learned in my FF days ).
In my later post, I was able to fill the frame with 16mm subject so, in my mind that is about 1:(16/13.2) or 1:1.2. Close enough for me.

Cheers,
Bert

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kareka Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

BertIverson wrote:

Miki Nemeth wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

250D achromatic close up filter to the super lens on the 600mm RX10 III/IV. In all cases, the distance from subject to front of lens is about 8 or 9 inches (200mm)

600 yields 23mm FOV 1:1.7
400 yields 26mm FOV 1:2
200 yields 44mm FOV 1:3
100 yields 60mm FOV 1:4

Hi Bert, I am very much interested, what formula have you used to calculate these values?

When you add a close-up lens to a camera which is focusing to infinity, then a 250D close-up lens gives M = f*D ( 0.88 = 0.22m * +4) 0.88 (1:1.13) magnification when the lens is fully zoomed (600mm on the lens barrel) at a working distance of 25 cm.

The real focal length of the RX10IV lens is 220 mm (0.22 m) and not 600 mm for a calculation like that.

So, a 8.8 mm vertical object is photographed as a 7.74 mm image, which would take 3210 pixels out of the total 3648 pixels.

Thanks, Miki

Hi Miki,

Pretty much ignore me on the magnifications. No formula was used. Also, I mistakenly used 18mm for the sensor long dimension (13.2mm apparently) Furthermore, I had myself convinced that 1:1 macro implied that the subject filled the frame (along the 13.2mm dimension -- maybe something I learned in my FF days ).
In my later post, I was able to fill the frame with 16mm subject so, in my mind that is about 1:(16/13.2) or 1:1.2. Close enough for me.

Cheers,
Bert

Already ordered the closeup lens for my RX10 IV.

On my point of view with this addon we end up with more enlargement than a full frame with a 1:1 macro lens.

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Horacecoker Veteran Member • Posts: 3,573
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

kareka wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

Miki Nemeth wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

250D achromatic close up filter to the super lens on the 600mm RX10 III/IV. In all cases, the distance from subject to front of lens is about 8 or 9 inches (200mm)

600 yields 23mm FOV 1:1.7
400 yields 26mm FOV 1:2
200 yields 44mm FOV 1:3
100 yields 60mm FOV 1:4

Hi Bert, I am very much interested, what formula have you used to calculate these values?

When you add a close-up lens to a camera which is focusing to infinity, then a 250D close-up lens gives M = f*D ( 0.88 = 0.22m * +4) 0.88 (1:1.13) magnification when the lens is fully zoomed (600mm on the lens barrel) at a working distance of 25 cm.

The real focal length of the RX10IV lens is 220 mm (0.22 m) and not 600 mm for a calculation like that.

So, a 8.8 mm vertical object is photographed as a 7.74 mm image, which would take 3210 pixels out of the total 3648 pixels.

Thanks, Miki

Hi Miki,

Pretty much ignore me on the magnifications. No formula was used. Also, I mistakenly used 18mm for the sensor long dimension (13.2mm apparently) Furthermore, I had myself convinced that 1:1 macro implied that the subject filled the frame (along the 13.2mm dimension -- maybe something I learned in my FF days ).
In my later post, I was able to fill the frame with 16mm subject so, in my mind that is about 1:(16/13.2) or 1:1.2. Close enough for me.

Cheers,
Bert

Already ordered the closeup lens for my RX10 IV.

On my point of view with this addon we end up with more enlargement than a full frame with a 1:1 macro lens.

I tried to order it today on Amazon UK but sold out of 72mm jobs.

David

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AlwynS Veteran Member • Posts: 3,964
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

I have a Raynox DCR-150 macro lens which I used on my FZ1000. Because of the difference in filter size I just hand held it on the RX10 to see what it looks like. At the larger focal lengths I had no vignetting at all. So I am going to buy a 67 - 72 adapter and try it!

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Cheers
Alwyn

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Eggiez
Eggiez Contributing Member • Posts: 548
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

AlwynS wrote:

I have a Raynox DCR-150 macro lens which I used on my FZ1000. Because of the difference in filter size I just hand held it on the RX10 to see what it looks like. At the larger focal lengths I had no vignetting at all. So I am going to buy a 67 - 72 adapter and try it!

I have the Raynox 250 and got the step down filter. I found the camera struggled to focus at the far end (greater than 400mm) with the Raynox on. I got the Polaroid 250d and find it works much better (albeit its very heavy).

Snapsh0t
Snapsh0t Senior Member • Posts: 2,719
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

David,

Consider this Marumi Achromat 200 on UK eBay. I think the asking price is a bit high, compared to new,  but Best Offer is available.

Jonathan

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kareka Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Horacecoker wrote:

kareka wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

Miki Nemeth wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

250D achromatic close up filter to the super lens on the 600mm RX10 III/IV. In all cases, the distance from subject to front of lens is about 8 or 9 inches (200mm)

600 yields 23mm FOV 1:1.7
400 yields 26mm FOV 1:2
200 yields 44mm FOV 1:3
100 yields 60mm FOV 1:4

Hi Bert, I am very much interested, what formula have you used to calculate these values?

When you add a close-up lens to a camera which is focusing to infinity, then a 250D close-up lens gives M = f*D ( 0.88 = 0.22m * +4) 0.88 (1:1.13) magnification when the lens is fully zoomed (600mm on the lens barrel) at a working distance of 25 cm.

The real focal length of the RX10IV lens is 220 mm (0.22 m) and not 600 mm for a calculation like that.

So, a 8.8 mm vertical object is photographed as a 7.74 mm image, which would take 3210 pixels out of the total 3648 pixels.

Thanks, Miki

Hi Miki,

Pretty much ignore me on the magnifications. No formula was used. Also, I mistakenly used 18mm for the sensor long dimension (13.2mm apparently) Furthermore, I had myself convinced that 1:1 macro implied that the subject filled the frame (along the 13.2mm dimension -- maybe something I learned in my FF days ).
In my later post, I was able to fill the frame with 16mm subject so, in my mind that is about 1:(16/13.2) or 1:1.2. Close enough for me.

Cheers,
Bert

Already ordered the closeup lens for my RX10 IV.

On my point of view with this addon we end up with more enlargement than a full frame with a 1:1 macro lens.

I tried to order it today on Amazon UK but sold out of 72mm jobs.

David

Sorry. I probably ordered the last one there.

Just arrived to my hands.

Luis

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Horacecoker Veteran Member • Posts: 3,573
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

kareka wrote:

Horacecoker wrote:

kareka wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

Miki Nemeth wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

250D achromatic close up filter to the super lens on the 600mm RX10 III/IV. In all cases, the distance from subject to front of lens is about 8 or 9 inches (200mm)

600 yields 23mm FOV 1:1.7
400 yields 26mm FOV 1:2
200 yields 44mm FOV 1:3
100 yields 60mm FOV 1:4

Hi Bert, I am very much interested, what formula have you used to calculate these values?

When you add a close-up lens to a camera which is focusing to infinity, then a 250D close-up lens gives M = f*D ( 0.88 = 0.22m * +4) 0.88 (1:1.13) magnification when the lens is fully zoomed (600mm on the lens barrel) at a working distance of 25 cm.

The real focal length of the RX10IV lens is 220 mm (0.22 m) and not 600 mm for a calculation like that.

So, a 8.8 mm vertical object is photographed as a 7.74 mm image, which would take 3210 pixels out of the total 3648 pixels.

Thanks, Miki

Hi Miki,

Pretty much ignore me on the magnifications. No formula was used. Also, I mistakenly used 18mm for the sensor long dimension (13.2mm apparently) Furthermore, I had myself convinced that 1:1 macro implied that the subject filled the frame (along the 13.2mm dimension -- maybe something I learned in my FF days ).
In my later post, I was able to fill the frame with 16mm subject so, in my mind that is about 1:(16/13.2) or 1:1.2. Close enough for me.

Cheers,
Bert

Already ordered the closeup lens for my RX10 IV.

On my point of view with this addon we end up with more enlargement than a full frame with a 1:1 macro lens.

I tried to order it today on Amazon UK but sold out of 72mm jobs.

David

Sorry. I probably ordered the last one there.

Just arrived to my hands.

Luis

Well, that's nice I must say. I thought I'd seen one available on Prime last time I looked. Should have bought it then. Not to worry they'll have some more in stock soon I hope. Post a few images when you get the hang of it. You could also tell me how it copes with other stuff that's not exactly macro. Interested to know if these things are just for macro or will the lens focus at any distance with the filter attached?

David

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Horacecoker Veteran Member • Posts: 3,573
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Snapsh0t wrote:

David,

Consider this Marumi Achromat 200 on UK eBay. I think the asking price is a bit high, compared to new, but Best Offer is available.

Jonathan

Thanks for that Johnathan, but I've set my heart on the Polaroid job, especially as it's cheaper.

David

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kareka Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Horacecoker wrote:

kareka wrote:

Horacecoker wrote:

kareka wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

Miki Nemeth wrote:

BertIverson wrote:

250D achromatic close up filter to the super lens on the 600mm RX10 III/IV. In all cases, the distance from subject to front of lens is about 8 or 9 inches (200mm)

600 yields 23mm FOV 1:1.7
400 yields 26mm FOV 1:2
200 yields 44mm FOV 1:3
100 yields 60mm FOV 1:4

Hi Bert, I am very much interested, what formula have you used to calculate these values?

When you add a close-up lens to a camera which is focusing to infinity, then a 250D close-up lens gives M = f*D ( 0.88 = 0.22m * +4) 0.88 (1:1.13) magnification when the lens is fully zoomed (600mm on the lens barrel) at a working distance of 25 cm.

The real focal length of the RX10IV lens is 220 mm (0.22 m) and not 600 mm for a calculation like that.

So, a 8.8 mm vertical object is photographed as a 7.74 mm image, which would take 3210 pixels out of the total 3648 pixels.

Thanks, Miki

Hi Miki,

Pretty much ignore me on the magnifications. No formula was used. Also, I mistakenly used 18mm for the sensor long dimension (13.2mm apparently) Furthermore, I had myself convinced that 1:1 macro implied that the subject filled the frame (along the 13.2mm dimension -- maybe something I learned in my FF days ).
In my later post, I was able to fill the frame with 16mm subject so, in my mind that is about 1:(16/13.2) or 1:1.2. Close enough for me.

Cheers,
Bert

Already ordered the closeup lens for my RX10 IV.

On my point of view with this addon we end up with more enlargement than a full frame with a 1:1 macro lens.

I tried to order it today on Amazon UK but sold out of 72mm jobs.

David

Sorry. I probably ordered the last one there.

Just arrived to my hands.

Luis

Well, that's nice I must say. I thought I'd seen one available on Prime last time I looked. Should have bought it then. Not to worry they'll have some more in stock soon I hope. Post a few images when you get the hang of it. You could also tell me how it copes with other stuff that's not exactly macro. Interested to know if these things are just for macro or will the lens focus at any distance with the filter attached?

David

For the moment I can only confirm it's heavy

I will post some feedback as soon as I have the time to test it.

Luis

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Eggiez
Eggiez Contributing Member • Posts: 548
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

kareka wrote:

For the moment I can only confirm it's heavy

I will post some feedback as soon as I have the time to test it.

Luis

Its very heavy. I worry about the motor pushing the lens out, as it is putting a lot of weight on the front of the camera.

A few quick shots over the last couple of days.

Snapsh0t
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Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Definitely just for macro. If I'm not getting this completely wrong, the maximum focussing distance will be 250mm, equal to the focal length of the additional lens.

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Eggiez
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Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Snapsh0t wrote:

Definitely just for macro. If I'm not getting this completely wrong, the maximum focussing distance will be 250mm, equal to the focal length of the additional lens.

The further you zoom, the further away from the subject you have to be. If you zoom to 600mm the area in focus is tiny...

kareka Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Eggiez wrote:

Snapsh0t wrote:

Definitely just for macro. If I'm not getting this completely wrong, the maximum focussing distance will be 250mm, equal to the focal length of the additional lens.

The further you zoom, the further away from the subject you have to be. If you zoom to 600mm the area in focus is tiny...

My first test indicate that the focus distance doesn't vary much with zoom.

between 200mmm and 600mm it varies aproximatelly from 18.0cm to 20.5cm.

What I do is always rotate the focus ring manualy to the lowest it can go.

After that select the zoom I want by rotating manualy the zoom ring.

Then focus by moving the camera starting around 19cm. it's only a +-1cm max movement.

THIS WAS THE BEST BEFORE HAVING THE CLOSE UP LENS ON

Now with the new lens on:

Around 200mm zoom

Around 250mm. This is almost the same magnification as a FullFrame 1:1 (just 1mm off)

600mm. The maximum we can get but much better than a Full frame 1:1

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kareka Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Just a quick test with the camera flash without diffuser. Handheld.

We can see the short DF. No time for finding the perfect focus plane.

Luis

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Murphster Regular Member • Posts: 129
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Thank you for posting the informative photos Luis.

I just wanted to confirm, you have the Polaroid 250D?

Thanks

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Eggiez
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Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

kareka wrote:

Eggiez wrote:

Snapsh0t wrote:

Definitely just for macro. If I'm not getting this completely wrong, the maximum focussing distance will be 250mm, equal to the focal length of the additional lens.

The further you zoom, the further away from the subject you have to be. If you zoom to 600mm the area in focus is tiny...

My first test indicate that the focus distance doesn't vary much with zoom.

between 200mmm and 600mm it varies aproximatelly from 18.0cm to 20.5cm.

What I do is always rotate the focus ring manualy to the lowest it can go.

After that select the zoom I want by rotating manualy the zoom ring.

Then focus by moving the camera starting around 19cm. it's only a +-1cm max movement.

Yes, it is only an additional few cm's away - apologies if it read differently.

kareka Junior Member • Posts: 41
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Murphster wrote:

Thank you for posting the informative photos Luis.

I just wanted to confirm, you have the Polaroid 250D?

Thanks

Correct. Polaroid 250D.

Luis

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Horacecoker Veteran Member • Posts: 3,573
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

Snapsh0t wrote:

Definitely just for macro. If I'm not getting this completely wrong, the maximum focussing distance will be 250mm, equal to the focal length of the additional lens.

Thanks for that.

David

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Horacecoker Veteran Member • Posts: 3,573
Re: Miki -- 250D close-up lens on the RX10 III/IV

kareka wrote:

Eggiez wrote:

Snapsh0t wrote:

Definitely just for macro. If I'm not getting this completely wrong, the maximum focussing distance will be 250mm, equal to the focal length of the additional lens.

The further you zoom, the further away from the subject you have to be. If you zoom to 600mm the area in focus is tiny...

My first test indicate that the focus distance doesn't vary much with zoom.

between 200mmm and 600mm it varies aproximatelly from 18.0cm to 20.5cm.

What I do is always rotate the focus ring manualy to the lowest it can go.

After that select the zoom I want by rotating manualy the zoom ring.

Then focus by moving the camera starting around 19cm. it's only a +-1cm max movement.

THIS WAS THE BEST BEFORE HAVING THE CLOSE UP LENS ON

Now with the new lens on:

Around 200mm zoom

Around 250mm. This is almost the same magnification as a FullFrame 1:1 (just 1mm off)

600mm. The maximum we can get but much better than a Full frame 1:1

Thanks for doing this test. I's exactly what I wanted to see. Maximum magnification with the close-up lens off and magnification at different zoom settings with the close-up lens on. It excels with flat objects, that's for sure!

David

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