It'll just make you want something better...

TomFid wrote:

jalywol wrote:

mdocod wrote:

I'll pay more attention to my technique, shutter speeds, etc, next time I'm out with this lens, but I don't really think I'm doing a lot wrong with it.

If you're getting a lot of shutter shock with this lens on an EM5ii, I think something is wrong. Using EFCS (0s Antishock) or e-shutter more or less eliminates the problem. Some testing at home against a static subject might be useful to narrow down the cause.

I typically shoot this lens crouched, using a knee to stabilize it, adjust iso/exposure to achieve shutter speeds of ~1/100 or faster.

If you are shooting this lens at 1/100s, out at the long end especially, you are asking for blur. I found, when using the Panasonic 100-300mm that anything below 1/500s was hit or miss in terms of sharpness. The faster I could get, the better. With my 100-400mm, the OIS is a lot better than that in the original 100-300mm, so I can get, with care, shots that are sharp below 1/500s, but it requires patience and excellent bracing to do so.

I find 1/100s to be pretty viable together with the EM5ii IBIS. I've gotten sharp results at as low as 1/30s, well braced against a tree. The keeper rate may be fairly low, but if you use burst mode and e-shutter it's easy to get lucky. I find subject motion to be the limiting factor most of the time.

I just spent some time with the camera on a tri-pod, pointed at a fixed subject to go through some paces of experimentation.

Shutter shock may indeed be a larger issue than I had previously figured. I need to kill the shutter and crank the ISO on this lens more than I have been to get good results from it.

Peter Del wrote:

Instead of all this waffle, why not take a couple of pictures of the same subject, to show us the similarity or difference between all of the frame at 300mm and a tiny crop of the 75mm.

Peter Del

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/1380305048/albums/prime-v-tele

Yep... waffles..

The prime doesn't compare too bad with the 75-300 at 150mm, but at 300mm there's no comparison.

My experience, prior to very recently, has been developing images in darktable, where I've been lead to believe that fine detail had to be sacrificed at a much larger degree to knock down chroma noise from high ISO for any practical workflow.

Switched to DXO PhotoLab this week, and am floored by newfound performance and ease of development process. The noise reduction tool is opening my eyes to a lot of possibilities I never would have considered before. It can kill the chroma noise while retaining fine detail with a few clicks and a few seconds render time. Achieving anything like this in DT would take tons of effort, stacked modules, and several minutes of rendering time. This is cool. This allows the 300 end of the 75-300 to actually resolve fine detail at high iso... Something I haven't experienced before.

That's good news! Honestly, I'd personally never expect such slow shutter speeds, no matter the technique I use. I'm simply not steady enough. I can feel my body sway.

I wish you the best. In figuring out how best to proceed.

mdocod wrote:

TomFid wrote:

jalywol wrote:

mdocod wrote:

I'll pay more attention to my technique, shutter speeds, etc, next time I'm out with this lens, but I don't really think I'm doing a lot wrong with it.

If you're getting a lot of shutter shock with this lens on an EM5ii, I think something is wrong. Using EFCS (0s Antishock) or e-shutter more or less eliminates the problem. Some testing at home against a static subject might be useful to narrow down the cause.

I typically shoot this lens crouched, using a knee to stabilize it, adjust iso/exposure to achieve shutter speeds of ~1/100 or faster.

If you are shooting this lens at 1/100s, out at the long end especially, you are asking for blur. I found, when using the Panasonic 100-300mm that anything below 1/500s was hit or miss in terms of sharpness. The faster I could get, the better. With my 100-400mm, the OIS is a lot better than that in the original 100-300mm, so I can get, with care, shots that are sharp below 1/500s, but it requires patience and excellent bracing to do so.

I find 1/100s to be pretty viable together with the EM5ii IBIS. I've gotten sharp results at as low as 1/30s, well braced against a tree. The keeper rate may be fairly low, but if you use burst mode and e-shutter it's easy to get lucky. I find subject motion to be the limiting factor most of the time.

I just spent some time with the camera on a tri-pod, pointed at a fixed subject to go through some paces of experimentation.

Shutter shock may indeed be a larger issue than I had previously figured. I need to kill the shutter and crank the ISO on this lens more than I have been to get good results from it.

If using the EM5, are you turning ibis off when using a tripod? Ibis doesn't work when the camera is in a tripod

shinndigg wrote:

If using the EM5, are you turning ibis off when using a tripod? Ibis doesn't work when the camera is in a tripod

IBIS is agnostic to the thing holding it, and tripods do move.

Defenitely! And where are we going to find this? I mean the 200 mm prime