A m4/3 owner ready to buy the fuji s5 pro for playing around?

bobogdan78 wrote:

yes D uses the camera's motor, it's older and cheap (under 100$ used). It is not stellar but good - usable from f2.8, sharp from f4. Some people who had both G and D said D focuses a little faster and colors are more natural and pleasant. I have to say the focus is accurate and pretty fast and I love the colors but no camera is magical, you can sometimes get very good photos other times worse depending on the light and your technique. But this camera is capable of taking EXCELLENT photos this is for sure! Another problem might be the firmware version - please check it and if it's less than 1.09 you should upgrade it (my camera came with 1.12 and I had no problems with it so far but I heard firmware less than 1.09 can cause softness and unreliable AF).

I am happy because i succeed to take some good photos and i am very happy. The firmware was 1.04 and i update to the last one also i change some settings in the dynamic range 400/100, tone , sharper .

but one question is the Ev change by its own? because in some photos .

I shoot in Aperture priority and sometimes when needed i increasing iso, but some photso come out normal some under some overexposed. why this?

Andreascy wrote:

hello giovanni thank you for your response. you was not offensive at all and i am happy for your advises. The problem is not that i compare this camera with the newers camera. but i believe that this camera can produce much better quality that i found on my pictures and i am wondering if i make a mistake or if is the lens quality etc. The photo taken by the old point and shoot canon of 5mp is sharp pleasing to the eye and you can see a lot of details. in the case of fuji i cant tell the same. of course i will try more and check if i make something mistake in my focus. also a question about iso. in what settings i can use the iso so i can take noise free or little iso images? because even the daylight sometimes if i will use the long end of the lens 200mm to get a shutter speed up i have to raise the iso. what is your suggestion?

Ciao Andreas,

I think that first and foremost one has got to know the limitations of the used tools, today's times we can safely shoot at ISO1.600 if not higher with little to no noise at all, bursts are incredible, big and detailed screens to review the pictures... the S5 is from another era, I can say, from my experience, that till ISO400 things are ok, over that they start to get trouble, there is visible noise which, by the way, is not as disturbing as other cameras but it sure affects quality and perception, this said when I used the S5 it was set on AutoISO with an upper limit of 800 and also has to be known that past ISO1.200 the small photo receptors the sensor was made of, the ones used to gather highlights, got shot off so the benefits of the SuperCCD go down the drain.

Also, lens wise, zooms, even the high quality ones, are always a compromise between quality and focal length range, if you notice most of the "pro" labeled zooms don't go over a x3 factor like the 24-70 which is the classic pro range zoom every brand has, this means that your 18-200 as well as my 28-300 are a lot of compromise, you can't have a drunk wife and full barrel...

About shooting technique the old rule of 1/focal length also is a compromise, a faster shooter speed allows less micro motion but also means either to use very bright lenses (f2.8ish or faster) or high ISO which is not the case for the S5 and here you get to understand a bright prime does the difference and so it was for me switching from fast zooms to fast primes, even an old lens like the 50/1.4D which doesn't do too well on my newer Nikon D800 used to perform much better on the S5 and shooting speed wise I learnt that 1/2x focal length does even better so the case of your lens at 200mm on the S5 leads for sure to blurred shots due to either high ISO or slow shutter speed.

Least but no last, compact cameras pictures look attractive because they are sharp, contrasty, saturated and so on but they don't reflect reality, a D-SLR needs a learning curve to get the best out of it and some post processing, about this last bit the S5 gives an advantage because it used to produce amazing jpg straight out of the camera but it still needs to be mastered with shooting technique and good lenses.

My 5 cents...

Giovanni_1968 wrote:

Andreascy wrote:

hello giovanni thank you for your response. you was not offensive at all and i am happy for your advises. The problem is not that i compare this camera with the newers camera. but i believe that this camera can produce much better quality that i found on my pictures and i am wondering if i make a mistake or if is the lens quality etc. The photo taken by the old point and shoot canon of 5mp is sharp pleasing to the eye and you can see a lot of details. in the case of fuji i cant tell the same. of course i will try more and check if i make something mistake in my focus. also a question about iso. in what settings i can use the iso so i can take noise free or little iso images? because even the daylight sometimes if i will use the long end of the lens 200mm to get a shutter speed up i have to raise the iso. what is your suggestion?

Ciao Andreas,

I think that first and foremost one has got to know the limitations of the used tools, today's times we can safely shoot at ISO1.600 if not higher with little to no noise at all, bursts are incredible, big and detailed screens to review the pictures... the S5 is from another era, I can say, from my experience, that till ISO400 things are ok, over that they start to get trouble, there is visible noise which, by the way, is not as disturbing as other cameras but it sure affects quality and perception, this said when I used the S5 it was set on AutoISO with an upper limit of 800 and also has to be known that past ISO1.200 the small photo receptors the sensor was made of, the ones used to gather highlights, got shot off so the benefits of the SuperCCD go down the drain.

Also, lens wise, zooms, even the high quality ones, are always a compromise between quality and focal length range, if you notice most of the "pro" labeled zooms don't go over a x3 factor like the 24-70 which is the classic pro range zoom every brand has, this means that your 18-200 as well as my 28-300 are a lot of compromise, you can't have a drunk wife and full barrel...

About shooting technique the old rule of 1/focal length also is a compromise, a faster shooter speed allows less micro motion but also means either to use very bright lenses (f2.8ish or faster) or high ISO which is not the case for the S5 and here you get to understand a bright prime does the difference and so it was for me switching from fast zooms to fast primes, even an old lens like the 50/1.4D which doesn't do too well on my newer Nikon D800 used to perform much better on the S5 and shooting speed wise I learnt that 1/2x focal length does even better so the case of your lens at 200mm on the S5 leads for sure to blurred shots due to either high ISO or slow shutter speed.

Least but no last, compact cameras pictures look attractive because they are sharp, contrasty, saturated and so on but they don't reflect reality, a D-SLR needs a learning curve to get the best out of it and some post processing, about this last bit the S5 gives an advantage because it used to produce amazing jpg straight out of the camera but it still needs to be mastered with shooting technique and good lenses.

My 5 cents...

Thank you for the interesting answer .

indeed this camera have a learning curve and i am very excited about this. when i was going to buy her i was skeptical about new system about new buttons is much different this camera from the olympus that i already have. but because i learn to use a camera i learn this camera is 2 days. i didnt expect to be so easy and beautiful . physical buttons is something that missing from my olympus and always i was giving a complaint about  this. now i have to care my settings more, i dont have choice for mistake. the back screen make me unable to view a live  view or to view a playback of an image. i have to take care also about the focal length of the lens 28-200 and the shutter speed not to go too low. but yesterday i was little skeptical. i asked my self that maybe i take too fast the decision to take this camera. there was other cameras too like d90 that are more advanced cameras or even a used d7100 or a new 7200, but then it means is like going to another system and i dont want to change the olympus at the moment or to have 2 equal system with a lot of lenses. i cant afford a second system. Also important for me is to prove with my skills how a 10 years camera can behave and take good photos.also about the lens i dont want to invest and i cant. there are some good and afortable lens out there zoom lens like sigma 17-50 17-70 tamron 17-50 , nikkor etc.but unfortunately this lenses dont cover the length i would like for this camera. i would like a street and portrait lens together. this will be around 28-80 for example , those lenses are expensive unfortunately . i dont want to invest in primes( maybe the nikon 50mm f1.8 under 100 euro) because i already have good primes in olympus.by the way today i took some excellent pictures. it seems that because of the lens is easy for motion blur. something else i changed is the sharpness , tones , and 400/100 in settings . also i update the firmware from 1.04 to the newer.but some photos take out underexposed and some overexposed i dont know why .do exposure compensation changes from its own?in the small screen the +- compensation under the shutter number is blinking and i dont know why is this normal? thank you

I usually use A mode and matrix metering and I don't have any problems with exposure. Exposure compensation shouldn't appear and blink in A mode unless you have 'easy exposure' enabled in the menu - you should check that. The menu isn't so easy to understand and you should read the manual and Thom Hogan's review and see what every item in the menu means/does - I'm still learning myself.

I think this where I need to respond to your reply to me, somewhere above in the thread.

I believe you're on the wrong track in saying that because you're not getting what you hoped for from the S5 Pro + Nikkor 28-200, all you have to do is get a "better" lens.

What I think you should do, is slow down a bit, get to know your new camera, what it can and can't do with the lens you already have and then decide if it's going to be a camera you will use, or not.  I can almost guarantee that even if you were sent the best ever lens made in Nikon mount, you would be dissatisfied - until you have learned to use it properly.

Here are a couple of shots taken with my Nikkor 28-200 AF-G f/3.5-5.6 -which may be what you have, but I don't know, I don't think you've actually given us your lens's full name yet.  On a Nikon D700.

@200mm FL

@100mm FL

The ambulance was maybe 100 -150 metres away from where I was sitting.

John Michael Winterbourne wrote:

I think this where I need to respond to your reply to me, somewhere above in the thread.

I believe you're on the wrong track in saying that because you're not getting what you hoped for from the S5 Pro + Nikkor 28-200, all you have to do is get a "better" lens.

What I think you should do, is slow down a bit, get to know your new camera, what it can and can't do with the lens you already have and then decide if it's going to be a camera you will use, or not. I can almost guarantee that even if you were sent the best ever lens made in Nikon mount, you would be dissatisfied - until you have learned to use it properly.

Here are a couple of shots taken with my Nikkor 28-200 AF-G f/3.5-5.6 -which may be what you have, but I don't know, I don't think you've actually given us your lens's full name yet. On a Nikon D700.

@200mm FL

@100mm FL

The ambulance was maybe 100 -150 metres away from where I was sitting.

Yes. zoom lens quality is ok:) i figure it out this. 28-200 is not bad lens but you have to care when to shoot and where because you have to care about shutter speed and not take blur images. i think that this lens not have image stabilizer yes? today i test a nikon 50mm f1.8 and i am very happy with the output.

SiFu wrote:

Hello!

... it depends - do you want to make do with one of the best 6MP outputs ever or do you want more pixels to work with (the S5 matches my Canon 20D but stays behind my Oly E3 in terms of resolving power with more workable files alltogether).

If you want to make do with it - it is well worth it. And it is not rocket science either. Make a factory reset, shoot RAW, use A-mode and a tripod (or fast enough shutter speeds) and adjust the exposure comp. to get the histogram to where you want it. The rest is easily done in the converting process.

A simple prime (used 50/1.8 D or MF, 40mm macro etc) will work wonders and can be had for little money.

I currently shoot (amongst many others) an XT2, D810 and A7RII and still like to pick the S5 for some casual shooting because I love the tonality (without having to spend a lot of time in processing to get it there).

Best,

Alex

Today i try it with the 50mm f1.8. the result i like it:) very natural colours pleasant to the eyes. i  dont want  this camera to be better than my olympus , i want it to be different and it is. The only negative of 6mp is that you cant have a crop like in more mp. sometimes this can be very important when you taking portraits etc. you can bring a face more close to you without loosing details. to be honest i like the s5. it could be a new technology for me that an old technology:) this images is taken today using the 50mm F1.8

Andreascy wrote:

Today i try it with the 50mm f1.8. the result i like it:) very natural colours pleasant to the eyes. i dont want this camera to be better than my olympus , i want it to be different and it is. The only negative of 6mp is that you cant have a crop like in more mp. sometimes this can be very important when you taking portraits etc. you can bring a face more close to you without loosing details. to be honest i like the s5. it could be a new technology for me that an old technology:) this images is taken today using the 50mm F1.8

The colors are definitely pleasant, the shutter speed is ok but to me it looks like you missed the focus, when you shoot at f1.8 by even clicking the shutter and moving the camera a couple centimeters you'd miss the focus spot, try again by either closing up a bit to have more room for mis-focus or shoot at a single subject where it get easier to nail a sharper focus.

By the way the S5Pro is a great camera, treasure it!!!

SamfromAL wrote:

Andrea,

This pic with the 50 is as you say.

There are a few things to learn with this camera. First I do suggest running it in 12MP mode. Folks claim it's 8MP but it resolves to 10 if I remember correctly. At 12MP above ISO 1000 i believe you lose some resolution back to 6 but this is automatic.

The best exposure is using Kelvin which is difficult without some way of measuring, since there is no EVF. Alternatively a 75% grey card on a cloudy day as a exposure "preset" is a great solution.

If you use DR 400 you will get some blandness in an image but this allows for more capability after in RAW or JPEG if you want to boost contrast. The "clarity" slider some editing tools have may help there as well.

Hello. there are some "film emulators " that i didnt understand how are working.

do you have any idea? also i have  a wb silver cap. how can i take the readings with this?thank you:)

Giovanni_1968 wrote:

Andreascy wrote:

Today i try it with the 50mm f1.8. the result i like it:) very natural colours pleasant to the eyes. i dont want this camera to be better than my olympus , i want it to be different and it is. The only negative of 6mp is that you cant have a crop like in more mp. sometimes this can be very important when you taking portraits etc. you can bring a face more close to you without loosing details. to be honest i like the s5. it could be a new technology for me that an old technology:) this images is taken today using the 50mm F1.8

The colors are definitely pleasant, the shutter speed is ok but to me it looks like you missed the focus, when you shoot at f1.8 by even clicking the shutter and moving the camera a couple centimeters you'd miss the focus spot, try again by either closing up a bit to have more room for mis-focus or shoot at a single subject where it get easier to nail a sharper focus.

By the way the S5Pro is a great camera, treasure it!!!

i can say in this photo is one of those i succeed and i didnt loose the focus in my oppinion. i focus on the man at the right.altough all the images i took in this place came out like there are some motion blur. or lets say not very clear. this image is the clearest i took. i understand that is not very clear image but maybe is the film simulator mode i used that i dont know nothing about this and i have to read. also i just order the tamron 17-50 f2.8 not vc model. i  hope to be good and everything work perfect.