would you swap a D850+S750+D800e ----> D5?

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vbuhay
vbuhay Veteran Member • Posts: 3,100
would you swap a D850+S750+D800e ----> D5?

Some one peaked my interest on the subject since I was trying to go from D850+D750+D800e+D500  to  D850+D500 to lighten my load and Bulk...

the above would be an alternative

I am holding my decision until I get the LR upgrade to be able to process D850 Raw images...

Let me know your input. I really need to evaluate Night sky shooting with the D850 (with the 14-24) in RAW before I can make a decision, I have never shot the D5. if I am not happy with the D850 for night sky, I will rent the D5 and evaluate it against the D850 night sky...

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T O Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 7,245
Re: would you swap a D850+S750+D800e ----> D5?

vbuhay wrote:

Some one peaked my interest on the subject since I was trying to go from D850+D750+D800e+D500 to D850+D500 to lighten my load and Bulk...

the above would be an alternative

I am holding my decision until I get the LR upgrade to be able to process D850 Raw images...

Let me know your input. I really need to evaluate Night sky shooting with the D850 (with the 14-24) in RAW before I can make a decision, I have never shot the D5. if I am not happy with the D850 for night sky, I will rent the D5 and evaluate it against the D850 night sky...

Do you mean an actual swap - here's my 850, 750, 800e and I'll take your D5?  If that was the case, seems like you'd do better by selling and buying.

Would not an 810a be what you need?  I'd have no problem ditching a 750 and 500 for a D5  well D4s, but not sure I'd part with the 850.  Although I've never used one.

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Huh?  I’m no expert. But even I know night sky’s ain’t what the D5 was created for.

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Rodenmg wrote:

Huh? I’m no expert. But even I know night sky’s ain’t what the D5 was created for.

Football players under a night sky....

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Re: would you swap a D850+S750+D800e ----> D5?

T O Shooter wrote:

vbuhay wrote:

Some one peaked my interest on the subject since I was trying to go from D850+D750+D800e+D500 to D850+D500 to lighten my load and Bulk...

the above would be an alternative

I am holding my decision until I get the LR upgrade to be able to process D850 Raw images...

Let me know your input. I really need to evaluate Night sky shooting with the D850 (with the 14-24) in RAW before I can make a decision, I have never shot the D5. if I am not happy with the D850 for night sky, I will rent the D5 and evaluate it against the D850 night sky...

Do you mean an actual swap - here's my 850, 750, 800e and I'll take your D5? If that was the case, seems like you'd do better by selling and buying.

Would not an 810a be what you need? I'd have no problem ditching a 750 and 500 for a D5 well D4s, but not sure I'd part with the 850. Although I've never used one.

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As I said, I currently have the D850, D750 D800e and the D500. I am trying to go to D850+ D500 which I think covers my needs....and lightens my load and Bulk...

Some one has indicated that the D750 is better in low light night sky shooting than the D850 which I like shooting but have not tested since I do not have the lightroom upgrade which enable me to shoot and process RAW files... One of the reason I got the D850 is for night Sky shoots....If I find that it is true and I do not find the D850 superior to D750 or the D850 nightsky shooting, then I would look at the D5 to get me to two bodies instead of 4....Yes I would sell my D850, D750 D800e and buy the D5 if that is the case.

Getting the D810a would not accomplish my goal of lightening my weight and Bulk (by replacing the D800e with the D810a).... I am actually liking the colors, AF speed/accuracy and low noise out of the D850 even when shooting in Jpeg fine only....

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Re: would you swap a D850+S750+D800e ----> D5?

Rodenmg wrote:

Huh? I’m no expert. But even I know night sky’s ain’t what the D5 was created for.

I have said that I have not used the D5 and Correct me if I am wrong, I was led to believe that that it has a very low noise at Higher ISO under low light conditions???

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Rodenmg wrote:

Huh? I’m no expert. But even I know night sky’s ain’t what the D5 was created for.

So you have never use the D5 as well? I like shooting these type of shots and the D800e has been my go to body for that..except for the noise and color shifts at very high ISO.

I plan to reshoot these images with my D850, if the images is not at par or better than these, then I will investigate the D5 for this type of images....

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lickity split
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vbuhay wrote:

T O Shooter wrote:

vbuhay wrote:

Some one peaked my interest on the subject since I was trying to go from D850+D750+D800e+D500 to D850+D500 to lighten my load and Bulk...

the above would be an alternative

I am holding my decision until I get the LR upgrade to be able to process D850 Raw images...

Let me know your input. I really need to evaluate Night sky shooting with the D850 (with the 14-24) in RAW before I can make a decision, I have never shot the D5. if I am not happy with the D850 for night sky, I will rent the D5 and evaluate it against the D850 night sky...

Do you mean an actual swap - here's my 850, 750, 800e and I'll take your D5? If that was the case, seems like you'd do better by selling and buying.

Would not an 810a be what you need? I'd have no problem ditching a 750 and 500 for a D5 well D4s, but not sure I'd part with the 850. Although I've never used one.

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As I said, I currently have the D850, D750 D800e and the D500. I am trying to go to D850+ D500 which I think covers my needs....and lightens my load and Bulk...

Some one has indicated that the D750 is better in low light night sky shooting than the D850 which I like shooting but have not tested since I do not have the lightroom upgrade which enable me to shoot and process RAW files... One of the reason I got the D850 is for night Sky shoots....If I find that it is true and I do not find the D850 superior to D750 or the D850 nightsky shooting, then I would look at the D5 to get me to two bodies instead of 4....Yes I would sell my D850, D750 D800e and buy the D5 if that is the case.

Getting the D810a would not accomplish my goal of lightening my weight and Bulk (by replacing the D800e with the D810a).... I am actually liking the colors, AF speed/accuracy and low noise out of the D850 even when shooting in Jpeg fine only....

I'm not a night sky person but why would the D750 be better than a D800e/850 if your using base ISO which I'm guessing is used for this type of photography, and why would you even listen to what people say when you have all the cameras and all your night sky photos I seen to date have been captured using D8xx

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Hi,

I have same plan before I got my D850,

previously I shot with d800e, and everything is very nice especially for landscape and environment portrait / back light/ low light.

If u work as a full time photographer, my suggestion is go for D5; if it is for personal hobby or freelance or travel then for sure D850.

the upgrade form d800e is super amazing. so far i am very happy about my d850 and d800e is now the backup camera. D5 is maybe the choice for your working/job.

BTW, lens is also important! ><

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Mykal Forum Member • Posts: 66
Re: would you swap a D850+S750+D800e ----> D5?

Why not download capture one and use it to convert the D850 raws. They have a 30 day free trial.

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Mykal wrote:

Why not download capture one and use it to convert the D850 raws. They have a 30 day free trial.

I have thought of that as my fall back, I currently subscribed to the Adobe CC LR and PS...relearning my workflow is a painful  thought.  If Adobe does not come through this month, I might do that.

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Derek Z photo wrote:

Hi,

I have same plan before I got my D850,

previously I shot with d800e, and everything is very nice especially for landscape and environment portrait / back light/ low light.

If u work as a full time photographer, my suggestion is go for D5; if it is for personal hobby or freelance or travel then for sure D850.

the upgrade form d800e is super amazing. so far i am very happy about my d850 and d800e is now the backup camera. D5 is maybe the choice for your working/job.

BTW, lens is also important! ><

The D850 checks much more boxes than the D5, if the D850 is at par or better IQ wise with the D850e then I am Keeping it...and the d500.....

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Darkroom_Fine_Art_Pro
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Derek Z photo wrote:

If u work as a full time photographer, my suggestion is go for D5; if it is for personal hobby or freelance or travel then for sure D850.

I am a full time pro and I have to ask, how is it that you come to this conclusion? Because I stopped buying the bulky built in grip style bodies once the D700 came out, have never looked back. I sold my D810 and have a D750 and D850, will likely get a second 850 because of how good it is.

As for what the OP is looking for, you do know that Adobe updated CC Photoshop camera raw to process D850 files over a month ago, right? I think while the D5 may offer better performance at higher ISO's, the sheer resolution increase of the D850 over the D5 will easily make up for that when it comes to rendering stars. For example, even though my D750 was better at high ISO's than my D810, I always preferred the higher res for rendering fine details like stars.

And in conclusion, I have to say that for the first time ever, when using my D850, I don't have to illuminate the foreground of a night shot like I did before in order to compose it because the VF brightness of the D850 is markedly better. I was stunned the first time I used it when doing night work with a 20mm 1.8, I could actually compose the photo by starlight. I am not sure how the D5 compares in this regard but the D850 is game changer when it comes to the VF alone.

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Re: would you swap a D850+S750+D800e ----> D5?

Darkroom_Fine_Art_Pro wrote:

Derek Z photo wrote:

If u work as a full time photographer, my suggestion is go for D5; if it is for personal hobby or freelance or travel then for sure D850.

I am a full time pro and I have to ask, how is it that you come to this conclusion? Because I stopped buying the bulky built in grip style bodies once the D700 came out, have never looked back. I sold my D810 and have a D750 and D850, will likely get a second 850 because of how good it is.

As for what the OP is looking for, you do know that Adobe updated CC Photoshop camera raw to process D850 files over a month ago, right? I think while the D5 may offer better performance at higher ISO's, the sheer resolution increase of the D850 over the D5 will easily make up for that when it comes to rendering stars. For example, even though my D750 was better at high ISO's than my D810, I always preferred the higher res for rendering fine details like stars.

And in conclusion, I have to say that for the first time ever, when using my D850, I don't have to illuminate the foreground of a night shot like I did before in order to compose it because the VF brightness of the D850 is markedly better. I was stunned the first time I used it when doing night work with a 20mm 1.8, I could actually compose the photo by starlight. I am not sure how the D5 compares in this regard but the D850 is game changer when it comes to the VF alone.

Thanks for your input, Yes I was informed by Adobe that PS Camera Raw and the DNG converter has been updated. Adobe helped me install the DNG converter , but they could not update my PS which they attributed to am issue with my Windows 7 Pro OS which I have not been able to resolved to date. I am not that concerned with that because I use the LR mainly and will wait for the LR update. I have tried the DNG converter and it works but it is tedious and takes a lot of time to use efficiently. I will schedule to reshoot those images soon I get the LR updated or I will use the another software.

Did you see these charts - does this validate with your experience with the D850? that low-light ISO chart concerns me...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60212530

If I am going with these numbers, it seems that I should just keep what I have (D800e + D750 + D500)  and be happy with my images.

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I'd say, forget the D5. Sell D800e and d500. Keep D850 & D750

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bocajrs wrote:

I'd say, forget the D5. Sell D800e and d500. Keep D850 & D750

Thanks for your input, my intention is to keep the D850 and the D500.  the d500 is for action shot BIF and shots like this

The buttons and menu system, batteries, chargers, 10 pin connectors are very similar or identical for both. I will make my decision after I test the D850 for Night Sky shooting...

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vbuhay wrote:

Did you see these charts - does this validate with your experience with the D850? that low-light ISO chart concerns me...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60212530

I have not seen them, not really interested since I find so many of these tech centric things to be so far off the mark when it comes to actually using the camera it is like night and day.

And always, *always* use your own experience and individualized needs to make the final call, pass on the punditry of what I call the "Internet Gear Review Hero" who seem to be taken as the final word on forums like these.

There are so many things that are exceptional about the D850 that any technical shortcomings will be relatively minor and the positives will strongly outweigh the negatives.

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Download the Nikon D850 brochure. It was seeing the night images at super high ISO that blew me away and seeing that capability alone would have triggered my purchase of the camera.

The D5 is a very task oriented camera designed for sports photographers and new photographers (though there are very few left these days). It enables a high enough ISO setting to use action stopping shutter speeds even in low light situations. To achieve this level of performance it uses larger pixels at the expense of resolution, same as with the Canon 1d X camera.

I don't shoot sports and for wildlife and landscape and people and night photography and other shooting, the D850 is the best camera currently available. For action shooting where I cannot fill the frame then the D500 surpasses the D850 with both higher resolution and a full viewfinder (unlike the D850 in DX mode).

For my needs the D850 and the D500 are a perfect combo. I sold my D800e and bought the D810 and then sold the D810 and got the D850. I bought the D500 to replace both a D7200 and the D750 for wildlife photography. I will probably hold onto the D750 as a FX backup camera for the D850.

I hated having a D8xx, D750, and the D500 as I needed 3 different types of memory cards and 3 different card readers. Add the D5 and I would have needed a third type of battery and two different battery chargers. Hardly an ideal situation.

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calson wrote:

Download the Nikon D850 brochure. It was seeing the night images at super high ISO that blew me away and seeing that capability alone would have triggered my purchase of the camera.

The D5 is a very task oriented camera designed for sports photographers and new photographers (though there are very few left these days). It enables a high enough ISO setting to use action stopping shutter speeds even in low light situations. To achieve this level of performance it uses larger pixels at the expense of resolution, same as with the Canon 1d X camera.

I don't shoot sports and for wildlife and landscape and people and night photography and other shooting, the D850 is the best camera currently available. For action shooting where I cannot fill the frame then the D500 surpasses the D850 with both higher resolution and a full viewfinder (unlike the D850 in DX mode).

For my needs the D850 and the D500 are a perfect combo. I sold my D800e and bought the D810 and then sold the D810 and got the D850. I bought the D500 to replace both a D7200 and the D750 for wildlife photography. I will probably hold onto the D750 as a FX backup camera for the D850.

I hated having a D8xx, D750, and the D500 as I needed 3 different types of memory cards and 3 different card readers. Add the D5 and I would have needed a third type of battery and two different battery chargers. Hardly an ideal situation.

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OK, I feel better, I just need to prove to myself that the D850 is a worthy replacement for my D800e and D750....as soon as I do that, they both gets sold....

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